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Old 04-24-2018, 12:18 PM   #1
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Default The State of MP5 Clones

Was wondering what people are thinking about the new PTR MP5 clone.

Specifically, http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp...ol-detail.html

It is priced at $1,559 and +$130 for SB Tactical folding brace which I definitely would want.

I know that PSA is coming out w one that could well be priced lower, but given the PSA AK track record I am a little reluctant to jump right in on that one without a track record first.

Also I know a few folks like Sabre have the Zenith and seem to really like it.

Thoughts? Comparisons? Relative VALUE?

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Old 04-24-2018, 01:05 PM   #2
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I have one of the ATI-imported MKEs (from a few years before Zenith started importing MKEs). Great gun, been extremely happy with the build quality and how it runs.

At the price point for the PTRs, I'd be inclined to save a few more dollars and buy a Zenith instead. The Zenith is HK license-built (e.g. not so much a "clone"), and has a 2-pin lower.

The PTR is largely an unknown at this point. Unknown quality, although PTR's act with its other roller-locks is great. Unknown reliability. Unknown resale value. Maybe several years down the road with more of them out in the wild, I'll think differently. I hope they're successful, but I think PTR mis-read the market with their pricing, bigly.

If PSA can come in around the $800 price point they sorta-quoted-but-then-denied at SHOT, and have even "average" build quality (or can at least hold headspacing/bolt gap), they will be an incredible deal. I will buy at least one.
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I would buy an import and save money... PTR was waaayyyy late to the game with these and the price is too high.
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Huh very interesting and helpful. I'll check out the Zenith although if PSA comes in for less than $1,000 that may end up being the best fit for me.

I already have a few 9mm carbine and pistol conversion options so this would be absolute icing although man I do love the look and ruggedness of the MP5.
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I mean it's really up to you I personally don't like being a guinea pig but then some others are willing to take the chance and see what the results are. I went with Zenith when I had the chance but wanted an Omega because I had heard the finish was so much better. I know some people will say it's a fucking gun not a classic car but whatever if that's the case I would have just went with one of the POF'S.

There's probably a small crowd who will buy the PTR'S just because they are American made probably the same people who said if you buy a Zenith you're supporting terrosim and islam. I personally won't take the risk at that price point but that's just me good luck with whatever you do
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For what it's worth on the PSA:

PSA is planning on the MP5K clone, significant in the much shorter barrel. Personally, I don't like the K look, so I won't be jumping on the PSA offering until they expand the barrel options.
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I think MudEagle put it best.

MKE import from Zenith would be my first choice. I owned one for a while (mine was top notch), but because it was just a range toy for me, I sold it to pursue other projects. That's one of those that I have plans to pick up another down the road, when I have more money.

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I think the offerings from ptr and psa look very promising. I recently got into roller locks and chose to buy an Omega OM9 from Atlantic over imported options. My main reasoning for this was the collaboration between hk parts and Atlantic resulted in a clone of fantastic quality and the ability to drop in a registered sear pack. I would also like to note that the US parts count of the Omega clones simplifies things when turning it into an sbr. Either way I'm glad to see more affordable options on the market. Mp5's may be an old design but they are still extremely sweet shooters that everyone should enjoy.
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I recently got into roller locks and chose to buy an Omega OM9 from Atlantic over imported options..
No experience with their built guns, but the Omega K receiver I used for my build was spot-on perfect, didn't need any tweaking, everything was straight and in spec. Definately better than the Speshul Wepunz receivers I'd used before.
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Way overpriced, Get a POF, besides buying a actual HK that's as close as you will get to the real deal, their a licensed producer by HK
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I think the PTR will be fine. Looks to be well made but I think they will have problems moving them at the current price. $1000-1200 would be better but they can set the price as they see fit.
Pros are that you won’t have to fool with any 922r crap and it is sear ready. The MKE’s and POF’s are not and require some welding.
The Omegas may be fine but I’ll pass on any thing Todd Bailey related. His brother in this case but I’m pretty sure he is also involved.
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The Atlantic / Omega is top notch.
I believe it is the only sear ready offering?
I believe it has the quality parts to handle it if needed.
That may or may not be a factor to some.
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Just get a $1,200 POF and call it good. These prices are absurd for a stamped gun filled with cast parts welded together.

Or make the smarter decision and get the Skorpion.
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I have a Zenith MKE Z5RS and a MKE Z43P, and I am very happy with them.
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We offer the a wide variety of Roller lock 9mm Series , PTR , Omega , Zenith Firearms & POF. They all have their place in the market and appeal to shooters for different reasons. We have no reason to hype one over the other since we offer all of them. PTR has been quietly working on these for 2 years & has them Dialed in & the PTR 9CT offers a US built gun that is SBR Ready and Full Auto sear pack ready. We have torture tested these in both semi & full auto and they ran & ran & ran some more. If you are on the Fence post we would be glad to offer a Range Review discount if you wanted to try one on for size . Not happy with the gun after the review we will give you a refund as long as you have not intentionally abused the gun. We are confident you will be impressed .


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Wow thx for the thread TLC Atlantic. I've always enjoyed dealing w you folks.

A few folks here have mentioned the full auto sear packs. I hadnt thought that far ahead, but that is a good point. Anyone have a rough ballpark as to how much those are going for these days?
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I like my POF 5 but since I own a couple 91's I wouldn't kick these PTR's out of bed either.
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I would buy an import and save money... PTR was waaayyyy late to the game with these and the price is too high.
Use PTR for when imported mp5’s Are all gone. The option is good to have but a little late and overpriced. It’s like the M&P9 compact M2. Would have been great years ago.

I think the PTR mp5 rail is retarded.

PTR’s 308’s are their best product. Get the ptr91 K3P. However, I have a full size PTR that sucked so bad that ptr is sending me a new rifle. Like sent it in 5x. K3P seems better built and looks like Turkey cranked it out.

If I were in the game I’d get an Atlantic Paki mp5 and take the chance.

Zenith is hard to beat but their HK33 Z43P Rifle is $2,000 when their 33K 5.56 pistol is hundreds less. I’d like the entire collection but that shit is expensive. I’ll probably pick up that mp5k Zenith.

I’d take the Zenith over any of the boutique roller delayed blowback stuff.

***The Zeniths are some of the best imports we will ever get in this country.
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Guys that are obsessed with “Turkey is ISIS” stuff like the PTR mp5.

If I was smart I’d get a Galil or two, the entire Zenith line, a Beretta ARX fish rifle, CZ Scorpion, and call it a day. The value will hold. B&T shit, too. B&T shit is neat and cool but their mags are $$$$$$$$. They keep updating newer products as well and it leaves early buyers with bitter feelings.

Since quality imported AK’s are retardly expensive now, I think I’ll start buying into next gen fish guns. I came in late with AK’s but they were cheap enough even up to 2016 HILLARY HYPE to where I was able to afford $699 Veprs and an o pap, wasr, m92 PAP, etc. the m92’s were another great value bad ass gun. They were 4-500$ at Atlantic and came with the Neckbeard Brace. I really want that GIGN CZ pistol Bren 2 806 thing in 7.62x39
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Just get a $1,200 POF and call it good. These prices are absurd for a stamped gun filled with cast parts welded together.

Or make the smarter decision and get the Skorpion.
Is there a place where the POF-5 is currently available for $1200?
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PTR and PSA are a cheap USA made clones..... 9mm RAS's.
Lol you DO realize the PSA hasn't even been produced yet, and we haven't seen any hands on feedback of the PTR, right?
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Nothing wrong with PTR products but for that price I'd rather get a licensed built POF or MKE (Zenith). Why wouldn't you?

Both licensed built POF and MKE are proven and fielded by their respective armed services.

Took this pic of the MKE in front of the Basillica Cistern in Istanbul last year.

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PTR and PSA are a cheap USA made clones..... 9mm RAS's.
Pretty hilarious statement. Well done.
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I have a POF and its fantastic however at the rumored 800 mark I'd wait for the PSA
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I don’t think PTR makes RAS47 roller delayed blowbacks but I am pretty pissed that I have to pay another FFL transfer fee for a fucked up PTR91 replacement right now.

I had to send in my ptr91 GI R in 4 times for all kinds of shit.

To play decil’s advocate, the ptr91 is in between a contract rifle and a clone according to Mishaco. Century didn’t but HK licensed Portuguese military equipment like PTR did
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If you are thinking about getting one then get one. They are probably one of the coolest guns you’ll ever get
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Nothing wrong with PTR products but for that price I'd rather get a licensed built POF or MKE (Zenith). Why wouldn't you?

Both licensed built POF and MKE are proven and fielded by their respective armed services.

Took this pic of the MKE in front of the Basillica Cistern in Istanbul last year.

This is true. However, those two offerings lack 922r capabilities and cannot be made sear capable without welding on a shelf. Not everyone has a sear or will make these SBRs especially with the current brace offerings.
I do not know from where PTR obtained their parts. Flats and jigs are easily obtained and RCM makes quality bolts, barrels and carriers, very high quality in fact and they may have been subcontracted for these parts.
PTR is already very skilled and quite competent of making these guns as their history can attest to. Keep in mind they are simply stamped and welded not milled Holland & Holland custom fit pieces.
Sure someone can even screw that up, T Bailey comes to mind, but PTRs history dictates otherwise.
I myself would get one if they were a couple hundred cheaper. I am confident in the quality its just the price at this point.
Currently all my DBBRLs are POF, MKE or custom build from demilled kraut guns.
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Guess you don’t remember the Bobcats and Bailey guns.
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J have a zenith mp5k. I luv it might get a psa everything else is going to be to expensive. I got my zenith for 1300
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I don’t think PTR makes RAS47 roller delayed blowbacks but I am pretty pissed that I have to pay another FFL transfer fee for a fucked up PTR91 replacement right now.

I had to send in my ptr91 GI R in 4 times for all kinds of shit.

To play decil’s advocate, the ptr91 is in between a contract rifle and a clone according to Mishaco. Century didn’t but HK licensed Portuguese military equipment like PTR did

Sucks u had to deal w a dud PTR-91 man. Other than the really early JLD guns this is the first complete wipe out I have heard about w a PTR-91. I do tend to bitch about their weight, but my two have been 100% rock solid. I know they upgraded to the paddle release and the barrel threading on your model right? Do you think the upgrades messed w it?
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Nah, the upgrades are legit. I think the barrel was installed in the trunnion wrong.

Put the polymer clipped and pin lower on and a collapsible stock on it and it’ll drastically change how it handles
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Wow thx for the thread TLC Atlantic. I've always enjoyed dealing w you folks.

A few folks here have mentioned the full auto sear packs. I hadnt thought that far ahead, but that is a good point. Anyone have a rough ballpark as to how much those are going for these days?
About as much as a 2 bedroom home around here...

IOW, around $30K and up, but that usually includes a gun too. Which is why 99.9% of MP5 clone buyers will never have to worry about their clone not being "sear ready".
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About as much as a 2 bedroom home around here...

IOW, around $30K and up, but that usually includes a gun too. Which is why 99.9% of MP5 clone buyers will never have to worry about their clone not being "sear ready".
Dude. I would LOVE a two bedroom for $30k lol.

I remember poking around the internet about two years ago and seeing RDIASs for about $10k. No idea how much that has moved though.
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