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Old 04-09-2018, 08:35 PM   #1
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So I discovered that some time ago a small batch of polish made PKM kits were on the market. I definitely missed out on that as at that time I was still trying to put fuel in my car to go to college. But anyhow I was wondering if anyone knew if there was going to be a bunch of PKM polish kits on the market in the near future? I read something back about 5 years ago that the Polish Army went to a version of the PKM in NATO chamberings. Presumably they have a bunch of the old Soviet chamberings coming up for sale soon. Rob Bowman do you have anything to weigh in?
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Old 04-09-2018, 11:03 PM   #2
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Check in the vendors section-Bowman Arms. PM or email him.
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Old 04-10-2018, 04:58 PM   #3
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Poland developed two 7.61x51 belt fed machine guns based on the PKM.

The one the Polish military accepted is more different from the PKM and is like a new design on or in a PKM-like receiver.

The other design was more like the PKM in operation.

The Bulgarian one by Arsenal.

http://www.arsenal-bg.com/c/machine-...51-mm-mg-m2-56

The Chinese one.

http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_4314804_1.html


The Polish one.

http://www.zmt.tarnow.pl/wordpress/e...nowy-ukm-2000/
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The Polish army has adopted a reserve army, very much like we do.
How to equip a new made reserve army, when your country has no money?
[Poland seized everyone's "401" retirement funds and issued IOU's to raise cash]
They kept the ex-commie weapons for the reservist, NO Polish weapons have been offered by their MOD "tender" [auction] in over two years.

Very few PKMs have been offered in years, the best we can do in Serb M-84, an excellent weapon.
We just imported 220 NOS SG-43s complete parts kits, we had to buy them from a Polish private vendor that "sat" on them for 5+ years.

No surplus reserve stocks exist in the "easy" countries, we are leaving for Europe on Friday, [gone for 1 month] inspecting-offering-buying weapons in several countries, mostly the Balkans.
Tough purchasing environment, much harder exports from these countries.
A simple border guard held up a 14 container shipment several years ago, until he....

We may have found a large lot of 54r ammo, inspection in 2 weeks.
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Old 04-11-2018, 05:25 AM   #5
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The Polish army has adopted a reserve army, very much like we do.
How to equip a new made reserve army, when your country has no money?
[Poland seized everyone's "401" retirement funds and issued IOU's to raise cash]
They kept the ex-commie weapons for the reservist, NO Polish weapons have been offered by their MOD "tender" [auction] in over two years.

Very few PKMs have been offered in years, the best we can do in Serb M-84, an excellent weapon.
We just imported 220 NOS SG-43s complete parts kits, we had to buy them from a Polish private vendor that "sat" on them for 5+ years.

No surplus reserve stocks exist in the "easy" countries, we are leaving for Europe on Friday, [gone for 1 month] inspecting-offering-buying weapons in several countries, mostly the Balkans.
Tough purchasing environment, much harder exports from these countries.
A simple border guard held up a 14 container shipment several years ago, until he....

We may have found a large lot of 54r ammo, inspection in 2 weeks.
bob
How much is "large"?
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Extremely interested in the 54r ammo...
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:28 AM   #7
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I forgot how many rounds available, but the total is at $10 million gross sale.
Spread over a 2-3 year contract, both 54r and 7,62x39 lead core.
We are working on the projected profit-loss sheet now, is it profitable bottom line?
Our interest is directly proportional to the profit margin.
Zero net profit = zero interest.
The 12% ammo import duty does not help us beat any other potential international customers with little to no duty tax.
[Yes, it is built into YOUR cost of all ammo]
Shipping is a big problem, many ships captains will not allow live [or inert] ammo on their ships, those that do know it.
Of course, there is the risk that the ammo will suddenly become armor piercing in the middle of the Atlantic, as 5,45 did.
Other than that, it is an easy project, what could go wrong?
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So I discovered that some time ago a small batch of polish made PKM kits were on the market. I definitely missed out on that as at that time I was still trying to put fuel in my car to go to college. But anyhow I was wondering if anyone knew if there was going to be a bunch of PKM polish kits on the market in the near future? I read something back about 5 years ago that the Polish Army went to a version of the PKM in NATO chamberings. Presumably they have a bunch of the old Soviet chamberings coming up for sale soon. Rob Bowman do you have anything to weigh in?

I will look around the vendors at Knob Creek shoot this weekend.
PKM kits of any kind are very few, but one never knows.

Expect to pay 4 figures for good kits.
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Expect to pay 4 figures for good kits.
lol, there are no PKM in three figures, may be PKT. That boat has sailed long time ago, the serb kits are no bad, at least you get a solid stock so the buffer tube for semi build is not going to stick out like a sore thumb. I'd imagine that PKM kits in EU are more valuable as guns, not as kits in US, they are still very much in use today.
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The Polish army has adopted a reserve army, very much like we do.
How to equip a new made reserve army, when your country has no money?
[Poland seized everyone's "401" retirement funds and issued IOU's to raise cash]
They kept the ex-commie weapons for the reservist, NO Polish weapons have been offered by their MOD "tender" [auction] in over two years.

Very few PKMs have been offered in years, the best we can do in Serb M-84, an excellent weapon.
We just imported 220 NOS SG-43s complete parts kits, we had to buy them from a Polish private vendor that "sat" on them for 5+ years.

No surplus reserve stocks exist in the "easy" countries, we are leaving for Europe on Friday, [gone for 1 month] inspecting-offering-buying weapons in several countries, mostly the Balkans.
Tough purchasing environment, much harder exports from these countries.
A simple border guard held up a 14 container shipment several years ago, until he....

We may have found a large lot of 54r ammo, inspection in 2 weeks.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:58 AM   #11
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Just a total crapshoot guess here...but if the total sale is 10 mil, if even half of that is 54R......... 5 mil.... let's pad the bottom line and say they sell for 50 cents a round.....

10 million rounds?

Even at 60 cents a round that's 8.3 million.

Am I doing that math even remotely correct?

Lot's of unknowns to make a good guess.
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:31 AM   #12
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Well it sounds like I'm going to have to wait probably 30 years before I can get a pecan kit from Poland. And the super crummy part about that is in 30 years these kids are going to be definitely illegal. The way things are going in this country now I really don't know that my current kits will be legal.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:19 PM   #13
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In the meantime.....pray that the kit Gods take mercy upon you.
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Shit. There are a lot of people hoping and praying. The current AK market has the image of Death on a pale horse, along with famine, pestilence, and war and a black cloud of gloom with the fortress of despair tower, in my mind.

I’d like to see the AK market get back.
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Maybe there will be peace in the middle east some decade soon. Then there will be more surplus.
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Yea.... peace in the east. Just like Trump will end a 50+ year war in Korea
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We will have PKT kits in stock in the near future. [one-two weeks?]
With all demilled receiver pieces, DRILLED barrel, bipod [needs fitting], domestic spade grips [needs completion], AND A FREE KGKT LIVE CHROME LINED BARREL.
All for only $895 per kit, 60 kits only.
Easy exterior lathe work on the KGKT barrel to convert to PKT specs. With the supplied original drilled barrel, duplication is easy.

NOTE: MY PRICE, in Europe for PKT kits is now over 1K EURO, about $1,300 each.
That is an over-there price, not including cutting charges, shipping to Euro port charges, export gov charges, ocean freight charges, US Customs charges, freight from US port charges, our warehouse and office overhead charges, and maybe, just maybe, some profit for the company.
The current [over-there] kits would not include a live barrel, bipod, or spade grips.

Nobody will ever be able to offer this kit as this price again.
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I’d be interested in both calibers, I’m surprised any importable surplus is left on the market, they switched to AP 54r in 1993 if I remember, the latest dated 54r I’ve ever seen is 1989, which starting in 1988 they updated The mild steel core to a hardened steel core just like they did to 7n6m, the designation is ST-M2, so if you have any 1988 or later 54r, might want to hold onto it
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Not sure if it has to be a Polish kit, but here is a Romy with intact barrel. Shit ain't cheap.

https://www.sargesmilitarysurplus.co...anian-gun-kit/
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Not sure if it has to be a Polish kit, but here is a Romy with intact barrel. Shit ain't cheap.

https://www.sargesmilitarysurplus.co...anian-gun-kit/
Out of stock.....I got their last one.
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Out of stock.....I got their last one.
I remember when I first got into kits and such, looking at the price of these and the MAG58 kits and thinking how $750-$1,000 was a lot of money for a parts kit. I should have maxed the credit cards out and spent every bonus on parts kits.
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I vividly remember Hungarian PKM kits in 2005 at the Indy 500 gun show for
$ 850.00 original barrel, pristine...w/tripod.
Almost too painful to think about.

I dropped 4K last fall and just said fuck it, I gotta have it.
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We will have PKT kits in stock in the near future. [one-two weeks?]
With all demilled receiver pieces, DRILLED barrel, bipod [needs fitting], domestic spade grips [needs completion], AND A FREE KGKT LIVE CHROME LINED BARREL.
All for only $895 per kit, 60 kits only.
Easy exterior lathe work on the KGKT barrel to convert to PKT specs. With the supplied original drilled barrel, duplication is easy.

NOTE: MY PRICE, in Europe for PKT kits is now over 1K EURO, about $1,300 each.
That is an over-there price, not including cutting charges, shipping to Euro port charges, export gov charges, ocean freight charges, US Customs charges, freight from US port charges, our warehouse and office overhead charges, and maybe, just maybe, some profit for the company.
The current [over-there] kits would not include a live barrel, bipod, or spade grips.

Nobody will ever be able to offer this kit as this price again.
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