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Old 08-14-2017, 05:35 PM   #1
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This looks vaguely familiar.

https://www.802traders.com/product-p/sa-zver.htm

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Old 08-24-2017, 10:29 PM   #2
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Pretty ugly
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Old 08-25-2017, 03:17 AM   #3
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Concept is out of the park. Execution is a pop fly. I just wish they would use betternparts
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:23 AM   #4
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I don't understand...can you cut a full length shotgun barrel off, and slap a shockwave Brace on and it's not NFA?

I'm pretty new to looking at NFA/Short barrel stuff.

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Old 08-27-2017, 02:24 AM   #5
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I don't understand...can you cut a full length shotgun barrel off, and slap a shockwave Brace on and it's not NFA?
No, you cannot.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:47 AM   #6
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"The Zver is an American Made NON-NFA 12 gauge PGO" Wasn't the DDI 12 made in china?
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Aside from everything else, 12 gauge and Shockwave aren't a great match IMHO.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:05 PM   #8
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Aside from everything else, 12 gauge and Shockwave aren't a great match IMHO.

12 gauge and Shockwave, now that is bat shit crazy
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:00 PM   #9
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That is absolutely stupid.
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:21 PM   #10
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No, you cannot.

I didn't think so. I know from recent research you can make a AR 15/AK "pistol" into a rifle, by adding barrel length/a shroud/etc., but obviously not the other way around.

You can see some sort of importer/manufacturer mark on the Left side of the receiver from the link above, but its hard to make out what it says. No other DDI-12/Cheetah 12 has a stamp like that in that location.

I can only imagine what kind of fuckery is afoot or what they are thinking modifying those things or how this is legal.....watching with interest.

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Old 08-29-2017, 04:49 AM   #11
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"The Zver is an American Made NON-NFA 12 gauge PGO" Wasn't the DDI 12 made in china?
Yup.
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Old 09-01-2017, 04:39 PM   #12
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VforVandetta
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The rifle has to be born that length at the factory, NOT cut by you, ie model 94 trapper
and mares leg rifle by Henry repeating arms .
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What for? Just why? $1,200? Better options available.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:05 PM   #14
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to skip on the YEAAAAAAAAR LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG NFA wait list....

so yes, the "shockwave NFA Hack" as its best to google it by, states that a "shotgun" is from the shoulder, a birds head pistol grip only "firearm" is just that, so it only needs to maintain 26" OAL. so, the shockwave at the back of this 802 chinese/murican hyrid contributes to OAL, meaning barrel can be shorter than 18" and still be legal, because its only a firearm.

really it doesnt matter whether you dont like the shockwave blade, you could replace that part with whatever you want. it just needs to be at least 26". so theoretically you could add a rifle tube buffer, and cut barrel shorter...

as touched on above, the the "gun" (the front trunnion in this case) must be virgin born as a firearm, i e, never had a buttstock on it. then you just build it up and sell it, its the same thing as the new shorty 870 and 500. its beautiful!!!! (not this abortion, the interpretation(?))

now we just need it to be done by like kalashnikov usa etc... or technically you could do it yourself, if you just built a new trunnion. supposedly dinzag used to sell em for shotguns.
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as touched on above, the the "gun" (the front trunnion in this case) must be virgin born as a firearm, i e, never had a buttstock on it. then you just build it up and sell it, its the same thing as the new shorty 870 and 500. its beautiful!!!! (not this abortion, the interpretation(?))
I'm sorry, but the "gun" in this case is the receiver, not the barrel trunnion.

The batboys issue waivers for Kalashnikov-pattern firearms so the serialized trunnion is the "gun serial number", but the law still regards the receiver as the "gun".

If you remove the trunnion from the receiver without destroying the receiver first, you've removed the serial number from a firearm ( a federal felony ).
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and you sure this applies to shotguns? i woiuld love to try that, as its easier to play with receivers than trunnions
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and you sure this applies to shotguns? i woiuld love to try that, as its easier to play with receivers than trunnions
Is a shotgun a "firearm"?
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:42 AM   #18
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not in the pgo sense, its just a firearm.... if you look at the side of the saiga reciever the SN is on the trunnion...ive asked on s12 forum and they were under the assumption that only trunnion on a saiga 12 or 20 ga would need to be replaced... im pretty sure anyways
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not in the pgo sense, its just a firearm.... if you look at the side of the saiga reciever the SN is on the trunnion...ive asked on s12 forum and they were under the assumption that only trunnion on a saiga 12 or 20 ga would need to be replaced... im pretty sure anyways
If you follow their advice, you will likely end up in prison.

That forum is a weak, weak shadow of what it once was.

The majority of quality posters there have long since moved to other venues.


Under US laws, a "firearm" is a "rifle", "shotgun", "handgun", or - as you keep pointing out - an "other firearm" The "legally defined" firearm in all of these is the receiver.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:20 PM   #20
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Right. So now that we've established whats what....

How In the christ did these guys pull off selling this gun, which is clearly an imported, Chinese, DDI12/Cheetah 12, as a "firearm"??

I can tell by they chincy left side charging handle, the handgaurd, the fiber optic front sight, the dust cover rear sight, and the trigger/trigger guard that its the Chinese import. So if it started life as a shotgun, how is it being marketed and sold under the auspices of a "firearm"?

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Old 09-07-2017, 12:33 PM   #21
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Because they removed and replaced parts. Then used USA made stuff. I'm alleging Maybe trunnion and maybe the receiver. Either The receiver or trunnion or both were newly manufactured, and as such, any manner of barrel length or gun coulda been made outta it
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pics of the virgin receivre on facepalmbook

https://www.facebook.com/Sirearms/po...45280479022686

I called them this morning to ask them if they can build me one with Russian parts I don't know if there ever going to get back to me (my parts)
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That is fucking fascinating. Thanks for the update!!

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I'll let you know how it shoots next week, when my T&E "firearm" arrives. The receiver is made here in the U.S. and everything else is suppose to be Russian parts. (I'll know when it gets here.)

I'm doing a T&E as a possible firearms for high security operations by my security company here in Las Vegas. If it doesn't prove to be a reliable firearm, then obviously we won't go with it.

We are currently testing a modified Mossberg Shockwave. We installed a Mesa Tactical adapter and a Shockwave blade. We also installed a GGG AZ Side Saddle made specifically for the Mossberg Shockwave, along with an XS big Dot front tritium sight. So far it is working very well.
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The receiver is made here in the U.S. and everything else is suppose to be Russian parts. (I'll know when it gets here.)
Fella on Facebook posted a couple of vids. It definitely runs 3" magnums and Federal slugs.

Can you elaborate on "Supposed to be" and "everything else"?

Russian Shotgun bolts and carriers go for about $250 a piece and are extremely difficult to source.

It says right on the website they don't accept Saiga FCG's because....its a cheetah.....them and the DDI-12 have their own proprietary Chinese cartridge style trigger group...

Same lookin ass AR style safety.

Same lookin ass left side handle sticking out of the carrier.

So what is supposed to be Russian on this gun? And who told you that?

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I got that information from the owner of Sirearms. Again, if that proves not to be the case, I will know it when I get the gun here tomorrow. That's why i have a T&E gun coming, if it's not up to snuff, then we won't use it.

I'll do a range report after we have had a chance to run the system.
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i call BS on the russian parts unless the DDI parts were shitcanned... but why would they have chosen the DDI if they were only gonna use the FCG, safety, presumably bcg as its LH, the gas block, presumably the barrel as well....

its neat to skip on the NFA wait, but hte price and the junk parts are a no go for me....

the receiver is allegedly milled, prob easiest from an engineering perspective? but i dont know why they didnt use a diff donor gun... my assumption is price, and like that 12 paged silly SAS thing, folks dont care if there gun is gonna guhr-nade as long as its cheap.... ( i dont know that the SAS will grenade, they just look like they will)
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I got that information from the owner of Sirearms. Again, if that proves not to be the case, I will know it when I get the gun here tomorrow. That's why i have a T&E gun coming, if it's not up to snuff, then we won't use it.

I'll do a range report after we have had a chance to run the system.
appreciate the reply. PLEASE post pics of the internals when u get It.

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appreciate the reply. PLEASE post pics of the internals when u get It.

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pics?
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welp. so much for pictures. I guess its like Obama care, you gotta buy it to see whats in it. I'm guessing its NOT Russian parts. You could make a kings ransom selling spare Russian shotgun parts on the open market.

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welp. so much for pictures. I guess its like Obama care, you gotta buy it to see whats in it. I'm guessing its NOT Russian parts. You could make a kings ransom selling spare Russian shotgun parts on the open market.

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For your information, I run a security firm here in Las Vegas. As you might expect, things have been a little busy around here since Sunday night. I'm sorry you can't have your instant gratification right now, but there a few more pressing matters than taking your photos!
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For your information, I run a security firm here in Las Vegas. As you might expect, things have been a little busy around here since Sunday night. I'm sorry you can't have your instant gratification right now, but there a few more pressing matters than taking your photos!
Sorry man. Didn't know all that I did not take note of your location.

God bless you, the reports I have seen are absolutely horrifying. Hope you and yours are safe.

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looks like they dropped the price down to $999

hmm.

hmmmmmmmm.

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Old 10-20-2017, 08:16 AM   #35
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lmao...... old thread but oh boy.......what did David FIllers just go Sell the design and chinese manufacturing contract of this fucking gun to 5 different "companies" or is he all 5 different "companies" that keeps releasing variations of this thing under different names lol
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