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Old 01-25-2018, 09:42 AM   #106
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Looking forward to the K model. Always wanted one of those. I guess I need to actually start doing research on what makes a good MP5 clone.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:28 AM   #107
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Well scrap the rumors about them using used LEO MP5 kits. That sample photographed at SHOT is a reverse stretch—MP5 rear end, and K front end. Never a factory option, so PSA must be making US stuff for these builds.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:44 AM   #108
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Well scrap the rumors about them using used LEO MP5 kits. That sample photographed at SHOT is a reverse stretchóMP5 rear end, and K front end. Never a factory option, so PSA must be making US stuff for these builds.
Why wonít this not work??? De-milled (because I assure you that is what they are) kits are missing only the receiver. Everything else fits and works. Even the trigger pack is select fire but has to be converted and is included. They said they are doing a full-size which will even be able to use the barrel from the kit.
So the only thing they cannot use is the barrel on a RS but can on a full size and the receiver.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:01 AM   #109
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Oh it could work, it just not make sense. If you are new to the roller lock world, you would not build a boutique custom gun ad your first sample. You have a pile of MP5 kits, you build MP5 pistols. You don’t scrap half of the kit to build a mullet (reverse stretch). K front end is entirely different from a full size MP5-barrel, cocking assembly, cocking tube, rear sight due to shorter radius. Plus the additional cost of sourcing, making, or modifying these parts. Sure they could use the MP5 kits as reverse stretch donors, but at the alleged $800-1000 price point? Hell no.
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Oh it could work, it just not make sense. If you are new to the roller lock world, you would not build a boutique custom gun ad your first sample. You have a pile of MP5 kits, you build MP5 pistols. You donít scrap half of the kit to build a mullet (reverse stretch). K front end is entirely different from a full size MP5-barrel, cocking assembly, cocking tube, rear sight due to shorter radius. Plus the additional cost of sourcing, making, or modifying these parts. Sure they could use the MP5 kits as reverse stretch donors, but at the alleged $800-1000 price point? Hell no.
Not really. Itís entirely possible the kits they got are Kís. The receiver on those are different so they just go with the K model on a MP5 flat ergo, reverse stretch which also is easier to accommodate with a stock. Who knows?
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Not really. Itís entirely possible the kits they got are Kís. The receiver on those are different so they just go with the K model on a MP5 flat ergo, reverse stretch which also is easier to accommodate with a stock. Who knows?
Ok, I will play your game. Even if they got a large batch of K kits, which were a PDW solution and never really adopted in large numbers by any major LEO, why then source a bunch of MP5 bolts, carriers, carrier spring and locking pieces, and end caps to make a reverse stretch? Wouldnít it make more sense to just rebuild the Kís? As I have explained, the front half is K with K proprietary parts. The rear is MP5 with proprietary MP5 parts. Itís s boutique creation that would not be considered an entry level roller lock built from retired LEO MP5 kits, at a $800 price point.
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No game and thanks, I’m very well aware of the various models as I have several of each including the RS.
All K parts will work on a RS except the recoil rod and K endplate. If you have K kits it’s much easier to make the RS than a full size because you lack the front end. You could also redo the K’s but the availability of flats is nil. The only flats I have seen are full size ones. It’s been awhile since I saw the K flats. So there is no reason to source out parts if that route is taken.
That said, I would imagine the majority of LEO/ mil kits are of the MP5 not the K. However as mentioned they most likely have a deal with RCM or some other outfit to provide the parts and in addition an MP5 cocking tube can be cut down for a K and the MP5 flat cut with the cocking tube retaining slot recessed. I have personally seen that done.
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Old 01-25-2018, 05:14 PM   #113
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"Price will be your favorite part." Hopefully that isn't the only good thing about it.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:01 PM   #114
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"Price will be your favorite part." Hopefully that isn't the only good thing about it.
Hopefully.

If it's $800 and the reviews are good I'd be in.
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:27 PM   #115
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Hopefully.

If it's $800 and the reviews are good I'd be in.
If it's $800 as configured, the tailhook is $120 and a retractable stock is $200 or so. $320 in the brace alone.

I would be happy to see PSA crank out A3 style braces and I'll just slap one on a tried and true Zenith
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:28 PM   #116
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If it's $800 as configured, the tailhook is $120 and a retractable stock is $200 or so. $320 in the brace alone.

I would be happy to see PSA crank out A3 style braces and I'll just slap one on a tried and true Zenith
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Id definitely buy one at that price point. My Getz RS was 3x that.
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When I was a young man, I passed up a genuine SP89 for $1600. It is one of my gun regrets.
I had one, paid $1000 for it. Kept it for 23 years and sold it. Just a big awkward 9 mm pistol is all it was without the fun switch. Don't miss it at all.
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The MP5 market is not anywhere near as large as the AR or AK market.
Because MP5s have been traditionally wildly overpriced for what they are.
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Old 01-26-2018, 04:40 PM   #120
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At 2:32

"It will be the blue collar man's PSA5"

"Significantly underneath the competitors $1,800"






At 0:35

"While we're not taliking about a price right now what we are saying is that it's going to make our competitors scratch their heads as to how we're able sell it that cheap"
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^ I'm going sub $1000 Alex for my answer.
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^ I'm going sub $1000 Alex for my answer.
That's my speculation as well but that's not the spin some who are competitors are putting on it so I wanted to post more info for the community so ppl can make their own choices.
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Pistol brace version will definitely push that price up a bit but still significantly below the PTR. I think PSA will be trying to undercut the POF as they should try to do.
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Pistol brace version will definitely push that price up a bit but still significantly below the PTR. I think PSA will be trying to undercut the POF as they should try to do.
PSA should become a GHW licensee, and flood the market with cheap, blemished A3 style tailhook braces.


That'll teach everyone, price it the same as the folding sb tactical and we're good
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