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Old 05-25-2018, 05:05 PM   #1
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Default Best Price Out There for 380ACP JHP...

I'm trying to find the best price on non-steel JHP 380 ammo for my cc piece. I don't care if it's reman.

Best I can find is .19 per round but the bullets look funky, like they punched a hole in a flat tip bullet... not sure how well it's going to open up in flesh.

https://www.freedommunitions.com/amm...-hp-reman.html

Maybe someone out there has tested it? Or maybe you can share an equal or better deal on a more normal looking HP.

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With 380, I would be more concerned with effectiveness and less about cheapness.

https://www.sgammo.com/product/fiocc...nition-380aphp
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FWIW, the Lucky Gunner ballistic gel testing of .380ACP/Auto HP ammo shows there's only 1 round tested that provides both reliable expansion and enough penetration of all test 5 rounds. Looking at their results for .380ACP/Auto I'd be far more concerned about good ballistic performance instead of a low price.

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Skip the JHP for 380. This is what I carry, Lehigh Extreme Penetrator:https://www.lehighdefense.com/collec...ant=1066236304. I haven't tried the Underwood yet, gonna buy some after I rotate out the couple boxes of Lehigh I have left. Same projectile but the Underwood is a little hotter. Definitely not the cheapest but I'll pay extra for performance.

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Check out LAX ammo. Cheapest jhp i have found and also the cheapest XTP rounds i have found. They do free shipping for first time buyers as well
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I'm running Hornady XTP Custom in my Ruger LCP.
.380 is notoriously ineffective for self defense.
It's a BUG at best IMHO.
For carry, I'd forget about price and get the most effective ammo available.
Hornady XTP has done well in most tests I've seen.
Although I'd run Underwood XTP +P if the gun could handle it.
The LCP is not +P rated (and I'm not interested in blowing my hand up - LOL)

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With 380, I would be more concerned with effectiveness and less about cheapness.

https://www.sgammo.com/product/fiocc...nition-380aphp
This is all I run in the 380's we have
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Skip the JHP for 380. This is what I carry, Lehigh Extreme Penetrator:https://www.lehighdefense.com/collec...ant=1066236304. I haven't tried the Underwood yet, gonna buy some after I rotate out the couple boxes of Lehigh I have left. Same projectile but the Underwood is a little hotter. Definitely not the cheapest but I'll pay extra for performance.

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I'm running Hornady XTP Custom in my Ruger LCP.
.380 is notoriously ineffective for self defense.
It's a BUG at best IMHO.
For carry, I'd forget about price and get the most effective ammo available.
Hornady XTP has done well in most tests I've seen.
Although I'd run Underwood XTP +P if the gun could handle it.
The LCP is not +P rated (and I'm not interested in blowing my hand up - LOL)

Great info here.

I've got a Glock 42 (foolishly bought it for full price in the first year they came out, before they announced the 9mm Glock 43). Very comfortable to carry, and with the Taran tactical mag extensions holds 9+ 1 in a very compact package.

Anybody know if there are any ammo limitations with the Glock?

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I'm running Hornady XTP Custom in my Ruger LCP.
.380 is notoriously ineffective for self defense.
It's a BUG at best IMHO.
For carry, I'd forget about price and get the most effective ammo available.
Hornady XTP has done well in most tests I've seen.
Although I'd run Underwood XTP +P if the gun could handle it.
The LCP is not +P rated (and I'm not interested in blowing my hand up - LOL)
The HPR version of the XTP did well too, sadly it was out of stock pretty well everywhere.
My .380 carry gun has an almost 1/2" longer barrel, too while still fitting in a pocket that my Walther PPS won't fit in.
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To each his own, I accept 7.5 inches of penetration in exchange for the bullet stopping in my target and not flying down the street or into my home through an assailant. Because of my body shape I just can't bear to carry anything bigger in my wasteband, I have a nine I carry on my leg sometimes. But I can pick the head off a pigmy rattler with my lcp (and i have too). I'm going to look through these suggestions. Thanks!
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I'm trying to find the best price on non-steel JHP 380 ammo for my cc piece. I don't care if it's reman.

Best I can find is .19 per round but the bullets look funky, like they punched a hole in a flat tip bullet... not sure how well it's going to open up in flesh.

https://www.freedommunitions.com/amm...-hp-reman.html

Maybe someone out there has tested it? Or maybe you can share an equal or better deal on a more normal looking HP.

Thanks.
Don't skip on ammo when carrying a 380,which I do as a backup.
These are the tried and true rounds which will hurt a bad guy.
Fiocchi Extrema XTP line.
Federal Premium low recoil hydra shok.
Underwood Extreme penetrator.
My favorite Underwood bonded plus p ,shot over 50 wounded road kill deer with it,one shot kills.
Buffalo Bore plus p hardcast as well as Underwoods version will kill a bear with a well placed shot.
We shot 6 hogs recently domestic for slaughter with hardcast DRT.
With hardcast penetration will be at 30 inches ,straight line at least 24 going through bone,be careful.
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I'm running Hornady XTP Custom in my Ruger LCP.
.380 is notoriously ineffective for self defense.
It's a BUG at best IMHO.
For carry, I'd forget about price and get the most effective ammo available.
Hornady XTP has done well in most tests I've seen.
Although I'd run Underwood XTP +P if the gun could handle it.
The LCP is not +P rated (and I'm not interested in blowing my hand up - LOL)

Notoriously ineffective says who? sir in 21 years working the street as a COP,in one of Ohio's most dangerous cities Cleveland Ohio,predominantly black venue. I can assure you one thing the 380 in far from ineffective,and nothing irritates me more than to hear one spouting off when in reality have NO first hand knowledege. The 380 has killed dozens upon dozens of misfortunate ,miscreants than I care to recall ,most with one shot.Back up what you say with facts so as no to mislead some who want to hear the truth. Just saying, if you can prove otherwise lets hear it,second round most deadly 25acp .A 380 at 20 yards will get you real dead real quick,most shootings occur within 21 feet.Most were killed with round nose cheap ammo,many modern day loadings rival 9mm in stopping power.
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I'm running Hornady XTP Custom in my Ruger LCP.
.380 is notoriously ineffective for self defense.
It's a BUG at best IMHO.
For carry, I'd forget about price and get the most effective ammo available.
Hornady XTP has done well in most tests I've seen.
Although I'd run Underwood XTP +P if the gun could handle it.
The LCP is not +P rated (and I'm not interested in blowing my hand up - LOL)

I have four 380,s Kahr,Taurus Spectrum,LCP2 ,and Springfield Armory 911,all have been shot with plus p,minimally.Still have my hand,only Kahr,and Springfield are plus p rated,on occasion.I've shot the Taurus,and Lcp2 from a vice and no problems ,so in the unlikely event I need to take a shot i'd be okay.The Kahr,and Sprinfield could take a steady diet of plus P if need be,but they are not range guns.Don't feel undergunned carrying my 380,as a backup or primary. Just sayin.
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Notoriously ineffective says who? sir in 21 years working the street as a COP,in one of Ohio's most dangerous cities Cleveland Ohio,predominantly black venue. I can assure you one thing the 380 in far from ineffective,and nothing irritates me more than to hear one spouting off when in reality have NO first hand knowledege. The 380 has killed dozens upon dozens of misfortunate ,miscreants than I care to recall ,most with one shot.Back up what you say with facts so as no to mislead some who want to hear the truth. Just saying, if you can prove otherwise lets hear it,second round most deadly 25acp .A 380 at 20 yards will get you real dead real quick,most shootings occur within 21 feet.Most were killed with round nose cheap ammo,many modern day loadings rival 9mm in stopping power.
How many U.S. LE agencies allow .380 as a primary weapon?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say ZERO.
There's a reason for that.
22 lr has killed boatloads of folks.
That still doesn't make it a self defense choice I'm interested in.
For a primary weapon I'm sticking with standard LE service calibers (9mm, 357 Sig, 40 S&W and 45 ACP).
Opinions vary.

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To each his own, I accept 7.5 inches of penetration in exchange for the bullet stopping in my target and not flying down the street or into my home through an assailant. Because of my body shape I just can't bear to carry anything bigger in my wasteband, I have a nine I carry on my leg sometimes. But I can pick the head off a pigmy rattler with my lcp (and i have too). I'm going to look through these suggestions. Thanks!
7.5 inches of penetration in a gel test means it may not even penetrate a person's breast plate. This may lead to a bad outcome in a shootout. I occasionally carry a Walther PPK and I like the Lehigh/Underwood rounds.
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Great info here.

I've got a Glock 42 (foolishly bought it for full price in the first year they came out, before they announced the 9mm Glock 43). Very comfortable to carry, and with the Taran tactical mag extensions holds 9+ 1 in a very compact package.

Anybody know if there are any ammo limitations with the Glock?
Your G42 is GTG with +P.
No limitations.
I'd consider Underwood +P in XTP.

My favorite carry round is Underwood 357 Sig 125 gr GDHP @ 1,475 fps.

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^Thanks Barth.

Recently picked up a few hundred rounds of old school early 90's production Winchester 85gr Silvertip HP's, for very cheap at at estate sale. I know it was loaded pretty hot for 380 back in the day. The newer Silvertip HP's are watered down in comparison, based on what I've been reading. Have already put a half box through my G42 without a hiccup. Noticeably stout recoil. Glad I can use it all up with no worries.

Wow those Underwoods must feel like shooting a 357 Magnum full house load through a much smaller gun!

I've put some Underwood through my 10mm (155gr JHP @1500 FPS), and it feels more stout than anything I've fired in 10mm, including DoubleTap. Makes a gallon milk jug or 2L full of water EXPLODE.
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How many U.S. LE agencies allow .380 as a primary weapon?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say ZERO.
There's a reason for that.
22 lr has killed boatloads of folks.
That still doesn't make it a self defense choice I'm interested in.
For a primary weapon I'm sticking with standard LE service calibers (9mm, 357 Sig, 40 S&W and 45 ACP).
Opinions vary.

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If Glock, Beretta, Sig or S&W made a 15-18rnd, full-sized, .380acp pistol that was lighter, slimmer and had a smaller grip than 9mm, quite a few agencies/departments would probably get them.
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How many U.S. LE agencies allow .380 as a primary weapon?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say ZERO.
There's a reason for that.
22 lr has killed boatloads of folks.
That still doesn't make it a self defense choice I'm interested in.
For a primary weapon I'm sticking with standard LE service calibers (9mm, 357 Sig, 40 S&W and 45 ACP).
Opinions vary.

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We're not talking about that,we're talking about round effectiveness,as a backup or concealed carry option I won't ever feel naked packing a 380,with proper fodder,a center mass hit will stop any bad guy on the planet.
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7.5 inches of penetration in a gel test means it may not even penetrate a person's breast plate. This may lead to a bad outcome in a shootout. I occasionally carry a Walther PPK and I like the Lehigh/Underwood rounds.
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I'm running Hornady XTP Custom in my Ruger LCP.
.380 is notoriously ineffective for self defense.
It's a BUG at best IMHO.
For carry, I'd forget about price and get the most effective ammo available.
Hornady XTP has done well in most tests I've seen.
Although I'd run Underwood XTP +P if the gun could handle it.
The LCP is not +P rated (and I'm not interested in blowing my hand up - LOL)

My LCP 2 is one of the best 380's I've ever shot 100% reliable,even with Tulammo ,fantastic trigger to boot.Not plus p rated however it will take an occasional if the need arose.In about 300 rds fired not one failure of any kind.
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My LCP 2 is one of the best 380's I've ever shot 100% reliable,even with Tulammo ,fantastic trigger to boot.Not plus p rated however it will take an occasional if the need arose.In about 300 rds fired not one failure of any kind.
Not trying to beat a dead horse or call anybody out who has a different opinion concerning 380 capabilities as a defense round.
Here's a mathematical equation.

380 Underwood ammo 65 grain ,generates 1400 feet per second .
282.96 ft lbs of energy .
And penetrates between 13 and 16 inches in ballistic gel.
More than enough for deadly close encounters.
A plus p hardcast 380 round splits a cinder block in half at 12 feet.
The round travels at 954 miles per hour.
It would do considerable damage to a living animal.
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I'm trying to find the best price on non-steel JHP 380 ammo for my cc piece. I don't care if it's reman.

Best I can find is .19 per round but the bullets look funky, like they punched a hole in a flat tip bullet... not sure how well it's going to open up in flesh.

https://www.freedommunitions.com/amm...-hp-reman.html

Maybe someone out there has tested it? Or maybe you can share an equal or better deal on a more normal looking HP.

Thanks.
Full disclosure: Im sponsored by FM.

I shoot tons of that load and never had any issues but that HP bullet is designed to provide better accuracy over a FMJ round and will not expand. I actually did shoot it in gel one day for kicks though. Penetrated 23 with no expansion.

IMO if you want HP defensive 380, the XTP bullet is the answer. It barely expands which is a good thing as it allows for decent penetration
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I shoot tons of that load and never had any issues but that HP bullet is designed to provide better accuracy over a FMJ round and will not expand. I actually did shoot it in gel one day for kicks though. Penetrated 23” with no expansion.

IMO if you want HP defensive 380, the XTP bullet is the answer. It barely expands which is a good thing as it allows for decent penetration
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If Glock, Beretta, Sig or S&W made a 15-18rnd, full-sized, .380acp pistol that was lighter, slimmer and had a smaller grip than 9mm, quite a few agencies/departments would probably get them.
I really doubt that.
.380 is a BUG at best.
That's just the way it is.
I've read that LAPD and other LE agencies will allow .380 as a BUG.
Or maybe off duty.
But that's about it.
For a primary service weapon - NFW.
Service calibers are 9mm, 357 Sig , 40 S&W and 45 ACP.
Believe it

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^Thanks Barth.

Recently picked up a few hundred rounds of old school early 90's production Winchester 85gr Silvertip HP's, for very cheap at at estate sale. I know it was loaded pretty hot for 380 back in the day. The newer Silvertip HP's are watered down in comparison, based on what I've been reading. Have already put a half box through my G42 without a hiccup. Noticeably stout recoil. Glad I can use it all up with no worries.

Wow those Underwoods must feel like shooting a 357 Magnum full house load through a much smaller gun!

I've put some Underwood through my 10mm (155gr JHP @1500 FPS), and it feels more stout than anything I've fired in 10mm, including DoubleTap. Makes a gallon milk jug or 2L full of water EXPLODE.
Hornady XTP Custom from my Ruger LCP is a kittycat.
The Hogue grip is the game changer.
I've shot hundreds of rounds in one session easily.
My recommendation is Hornady XTP.

Yes, Underwood stuff breathes fire.
Underwood 357 Sig GDHP 125 gr @ 1,475 fps vaporizes gallon jugs of water.
And we are mostly water...
Guess what I carry in my primary gun?

BUG is a Ruger LCP loaded with Hornady XTP Custom.

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