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Old 03-17-2017, 01:36 AM   #1
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Default CZ Shadow 2 in stock @ CZ Custom for $1300

In stock currently. $1300

https://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz...-polycoat.html
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Idk why I thought they cost more than 1300$, I like the all black.
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Local shop has one for 1269 today
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:35 PM   #4
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Extremely high demand item. I want one bad, but not that bad.

Give it a little time to settle down and they will get a couple hundred cheaper.

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Damn. I just bought two of those CZ SP-01 Compact unicorns last week. May have held off if I knew these were going to be available. I thought these were going to be released after the P-10C.
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Very nice pistol!

I just picked up an SP-01 Tactical last month. If I had more cash available, this would have been very tempting.
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You just don't know what you are looking at.
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Man that's nice. Valmet- you think they will drop a couple hundred?
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Can get two all steel Armscor 17rds 1911 in 10mm for that one 9mm

Just do not see the asking price justified
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Can get two all steel Armscor 17rds 1911 in 10mm for that one 9mm

Just do not see the asking price justified
I didn't pay asking price, they don't compare at all, not even close.
Not going to start an Armscor VS CZ war..
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What justifies that astronomical price?
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Gamer types on the internet...








Seriously (though the above absolutely applies, too), it's as nice as a plastic gamer gun will likely be, at that price point. To me, it's an over-priced plastic wannabe SP-01, that'll never shoot as nicely as its steel-framed counterparts; it being lighter--plastic frame--negates one of the benefits of a SP-01 over the -75 from which they both come. Yes, I know some people think the weak, faggy sights and nicer-than-some factory trigger make this "better", but I'm not one of them.

ETA: Derp...I registered Phantom, not Shadow...lol

To me, it's like comparing a basic Glock 34 to one of those crazy-priced, cut-up Zev abortions...In the right hands, there's little/no difference, even in silly games use.
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Not really.
Yeah, I mean they look cheap in relation to 1911 prices. They have a great trigger and all steel just like 1911s.
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Seriously (though the above absolutely applies, too), it's as nice as a plastic gamer gun will likely be, at that price point. To me, it's an over-priced plastic wannabe SP-01, that'll never shoot as nicely as its steel-framed counterparts; it being lighter--plastic frame--negates one of the benefits of a SP-01 over the -75 from which they both come. Yes, I know some people think the weak, faggy sights and nicer-than-some factory trigger make this "better", but I'm not one of them.

ETA: Derp...I registered Phantom, not Shadow...lol

To me, it's like comparing a basic Glock 34 to one of those crazy-priced, cut-up Zev abortions...In the right hands, there's little/no difference, even in silly games use.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you?

First off, a Shadow II is not plastic. It is in fact, a SP-01 style CZ75 with frame, slide and trigger modifications that are above and beyond the amount of work that goes in a consumer grade gun like the SP-01. That extra work at the factory is what makes it cost more.

Silly games? what is that? Your description of something else you don't know anything about?

Have you ever actually been to a USPSA shooting match? I can sure as Hell tell that from you attitude that 1, NO you have never seen a shooting match in any way besides a youtube video or, 2, you actually shot in a match and humiliated yourself in front of real people, but I highly doubt #2 would ever have happened.

So what is your point? You just giving opinions about things you are ignorant of?

That is itself an epitome you know.

A CZ Shadow 2 is an entry level competition pistol for those that would like to maybe advance out of the bottom levels of competition but are not yet capable of using a full out race pistol like the CZ75 Tactical Sport Orange $1700 or the CZ75 Czechmate $3300. Both of which are hard to come by due to low production and high demand.

Try shooting I dunno, at least 5000 rounds in some actual training for competition, using targets, timer, ready position holstering, drawing, shooting, reloads and keep score, and then come tell us about silly games.

Yeah I see that you came back with an ETA, but it still was just your lame effort to crawfish on your original opinion which in fact, remained unchanged.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you?

Yeah I see that you came back with an ETA, but it still was just your lame effort to crawfish on your original opinion which in fact, remained unchanged.
You mean like declarations of how Hillary will win?

Yeah, I registered Phantom...If you knew that, why the silly rant in defense of the Shadow? And, yes, my original opinion on the Phantom stands.

It's a waste of time, but...You shouldn't assume that anyone who doesn't suck at the tit of gamers gaming has never done USPSA/IDPA and others. While I've expended far more than 5k rounds training for what I regard as silly games, it didn't change that I saw it was a waste of money. What works in games doesn't always work in real life, and I'm more interested in reality.

If somebody enjoys gun games, stamp collecting, fawning over Hillary, or many other things, more power to them...I just don't agree. I didn't mean to hurt your feels.
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Damn. I just bought two of those CZ SP-01 Compact unicorns last week. May have held off if I knew these were going to be available. I thought these were going to be released after the P-10C.
SP01 compact? Whaaaa. Not the 75 P01?
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Man that's nice. Valmet- you think they will drop a couple hundred?
They have dropped a couple hundred. You just have to do some shopping.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/655610542

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From what I've heard over at the CZ forum(Guys who shoot the piss out of these CZ custom guns), the Shadow 2 has been a bit of a disappointment. Then again maybe it just wasn't what they expected with all the hype surrounding it. Checkout CZ Customs website and you'll see a huge variety of CZ-75/SP-01 series pistols. There's a couple pistols over there I've had my eye on for a while now.
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Yeah the USPSA crowd has been a little disappointed in the Shadow 2 and the Sig P320 X5

But trust me, there is not a more perfectionist oriented bunch of geeks on the planet than the upper level USPSA types.
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So the pistol was designed for the USPSA shooters, but the USPSA shooters are geeks because they don't like it ??

I'm confused.......

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very attractive pistol, but I see a $1300 price tag and I wonder how or why.......

I don't own one, so obviously I can't comment on why it's better......or supposed to be better.

I think it looks better then my HK USP Tactical, but the question is.......will it outperform it.....
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It was made for entry level and 1300 is not what I paid, out the door I paid 1190.
Accurate as heck is all I can say and smoooooooooth but hey buy what you like, some can shoot the hell out of a G19
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Wouldnt a grand power x-caliber be a better value to game with? Great trigger cocked and locked super accurate at half the price. What am I missing?
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I don't know why someone would want a polymer SIG for competition shooting... Anyone have insight on this?

Maybe for carrying... but.

SIG and CZ are the way to go for pistols IMO.
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So the pistol was designed for the USPSA shooters, but the USPSA shooters are geeks because they don't like it ??

I'm confused.......

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very attractive pistol, but I see a $1300 price tag and I wonder how or why.......

I don't own one, so obviously I can't comment on why it's better......or supposed to be better.

I think it looks better then my HK USP Tactical, but the question is.......will it outperform it.....
The main complaints about the CZ Shadow 2 is that for a $1100 pistol the trigger is not what is should be and that is about it.

For the money you are paying for the extra frame machining and checkering, slide machining, truly decent adjustable sights and what should have been a crisp 4 pound OR LESS trigger with minimal reset. CZ has not yet delivered on the trigger.

Why CZ didn't just use their single action only trigger to begin with is beyond me. Also, CZ has been slow on the uptake concerning carry optics as the CZ Shadow 2 is not optics ready like the SIG 320 X5 is.

For the SIG 320 X5, the complaints are again, the trigger and the slippery grip. The SIG costs a lot less than the CZ so really, a trigger job is sort of expected to be needed by most.

The slippery grip is a problem that skate tape can fix.
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I don't know why someone would want a polymer SIG for competition shooting... Anyone have insight on this?

Maybe for carrying... but.

SIG and CZ are the way to go for pistols IMO.
Striker fired guns are all about speed.

They have no safety to disengage and when the trigger is good, its good.

Trigger pull weight is not all there is to a good trigger. Trigger pull weight is important as is travel (length of pull), overtravel and reset with RESET being very important.
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Striker fired guns are all about speed.

They have no safety to disengage and when the trigger is good, its good.

Trigger pull weight is not all there is to a good trigger. Trigger pull weight is important as is travel (length of pull), overtravel and reset with RESET being very important.
I don't shoot competition so I'm not really sure how it pans out but it seems to me you would want a full size, all metal gun with good trigger/mag release and a hammer.

All of the SIGs I've handled thus far don't have a safety, just a learning curve with the trigger, but accuracy, ergos, and the trigger in SA are great. Do people prefer striker fired for consistency in the trigger or what?
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I don't shoot competition so I'm not really sure how it pans out but it seems to me you would want a full size, all metal gun with good trigger/mag release and a hammer.

All of the SIGs I've handled thus far don't have a safety, just a learning curve with the trigger, but accuracy, ergos, and the trigger in SA are great. Do people prefer striker fired for consistency in the trigger or what?
In the Open class division where anything goes the standard type of all out race gun is still 2011's (high capacity 1911's) and CZ's. Single action, hammer fired guns with safeties. Open Class is by far the fasted and most accurate class of shooting.

For the production type classes there are few to no modifications allowed to the weapons so anything that gives an edge, like just a simple trigger squeeze with a short reset are what people are wanting.
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Can get two all steel Armscor 17rds 1911 in 10mm for that one 9mm

Just do not see the asking price justified
Agree !
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I have quite a few CZ's and love them. However, I shot a Shadow 2 yesterday and while it's a nice pistol my Tanfoglio Match Elite was more comfortable to shoot and more accurate and it cost me hundreds less.
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I have quite a few CZ's and love them. However, I shot a Shadow 2 yesterday and while it's a nice pistol my Tanfoglio Match Elite was more comfortable to shoot and more accurate and it cost me hundreds less.
Interesting

Aren't these quite nearly the same design??? Or are they worlds apart in your hand??
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They both feel really comfortable in hand. I'm actually looking for another Tanfoglio Match Elite 9mm for a backup to the one I have because it's such a great pistol. I'd like to get one in 45 too and maybe 10mm. The only problem is they're hard to find in stock.
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