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Old 03-13-2018, 03:27 PM   #1
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I got out of the AK platform about ten years ago. And, I'm back now and trying to decide what should be my first AK purchase.

I've got the experience with the platform and I have the time, interest, and ammo, oh, and the money. I have not kept up with the world of AK since 2008.

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Old 03-13-2018, 03:28 PM   #2
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WASR or Draco with an SB tactical brace.

If you want to buy second hand get a chinese, Russian, or Bulgarian.
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:49 PM   #3
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How much do you wanna spend? Cheaper side I’d pick SAR-1, more expensive I’d go VEPR FM, SAM7, or chicom. Atlantic also offers great kit builds with new production parts from WBP, a Polish company.
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:53 PM   #4
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SGL 21. The gold standard in AKs.
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Get A WASR OP, then go from there.
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Read around here for a while, then decide what you want, and ask where is the best place to find it. Don't forget the marketplace here.
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It pains me to say this but "Don't buy American". Stick to anything com bloc and you should be fine.
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It pains me to say this but "Don't buy American". Stick to anything com bloc and you should be fine.
Great advice, but don't rule out American built with combloc parts. Atlantic firearms has never let me down with the builds they do!
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Don't waste money on a WASR. They're still what they were when you left, just different QC issues.

WBP is good it seems, as are any of the other comblocs.
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Don't waste money on a WASR. They're still what they were when you left, just different QC issues.

WBP is good it seems, as are any of the other comblocs.
Ugh. Here you are again.


No, the WASRs are good to go. Just inspect them

WBPs are nice, but you can get a Romanian AK, and be able to buy more mags and ammo.

Next buy. let it be the WBP.
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Ugh. Here you are again.


No, the WASRs are good to go. Just inspect them

WBPs are nice, but you can get a Romanian AK, and be able to buy more mags and ammo.

Next buy. let it be the WBP.
For only about $100 less than a WBP kit, the WASR that you still have to fix isn't worth the cash. It's got a great barrel and parts, sure, but the build isn't worth the money IMHO. Because once you buy a WASR you're already planning to find a BETTER rifle, making the WASR wasted cash. Spend more money. Get something nicer. Waste less in the long run.
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I would put my 2015 up against a WBP, both would be straight as an arrow, both would be reliable, both would have excellent rivets and build.

The WBP may be a little bit better looking, slightly better fit and finish, but that WASR is just as good.

Not saying the WBP ain't a good rifle, it is. Clearly.
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I would put my 2015 up against a WBP, both would be straight as an arrow, both would be reliable, both would have excellent rivets and build.

The WBP may be a little bit better looking, slightly better fit and finish, but that WASR is just as good.

Not saying the WBP ain't a good rifle, it is. Clearly.
Except there is almost a daily post of a new WASR here with some issue, usually with magazine catches lately. If they're good, they're acceptable, but that's a much bigger if sight unseen, and don't have any of the features.
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get a WASR... they're the most popular and most sold of the "under a grand" AK's for a reason. There's a few that have minor problems, but usually very minor issue.
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The mag catch is a stupid easy fix.... That said what's the ratio of WASR's to WBP's? I'm quite sure many more WASR's are sold than the WBP so you have that to think about. I'm sure most WASR's are fine. Great guns.
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SAR-1 maybe?
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Wasr-10 is just about the best entry level priced AK you can buy, still, after all these years.

Not a lot of options these days at the higher price ranges though honestly. You came back at a time when the markets pretty dried up. The WBPs are nice but your still paying like a grand for a cast parts kit assembly. At least its got a nice imported barrel. But still if I was dropping that kinda dough I would want it to be a fully imported rifle. Russian or Bulgarian preferably, current issues/non issues with the budget line of Bulgy rifles aside.
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i would go with the Wasr-10.
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Wasr-10 is just about the best entry level priced AK you can buy, still, after all these years.

Not a lot of options these days at the higher price ranges though honestly. You came back at a time when the markets pretty dried up. The WBPs are nice but your still paying like a grand for a cast parts kit assembly. At least its got a nice imported barrel. But still if I was dropping that kinda dough I would want it to be a fully imported rifle. Russian or Bulgarian preferably, current issues/non issues with the budget line of Bulgy rifles aside.
the WBP doesn't have cast parts. All forged now
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Wasr-10 is just about the best entry level priced AK you can buy, still, after all these years.

Not a lot of options these days at the higher price ranges though honestly. You came back at a time when the markets pretty dried up. The WBPs are nice but your still paying like a grand for a cast parts kit assembly. At least its got a nice imported barrel. But still if I was dropping that kinda dough I would want it to be a fully imported rifle. Russian or Bulgarian preferably, current issues/non issues with the budget line of Bulgy rifles aside.
Where are you getting cast parts on the WBP?!
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SAM7 in the variation of your choosing. They're VERY nice AKs.

Then you can bring it with you to The National Shoot and you'll get to try out any number of other AKs. National Shoot Thread
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:54 PM   #22
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Well if you got the money like you said, find a nice Sgl21 on GB or the marketplace.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:06 PM   #23
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I would go with a WASR first to see if you like it, then an Atlantic build WPB, which I believe are Not cast. The only American build I would consider is a Riley when they come out with their final all in house build rifle, and after it's been tested out. Their early product line was good, Rob had some issues with the imported Hungarian Riley, but could have been a lemon, kinda like Arsenal is going through with a few of theirs.
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Avoid anything and everything U.S made

WASR, Arsenal (some out of spec parts coming from them of recent so beware) Atlantics Polish Builds are the only acceptable rifles I can think of.


The 5.45 situation is secondary market only, no rifles are being imported as of right now.



You've come back when the market has never been weaker unfortunately.
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I got out of the AK platform about ten years ago. And, I'm back now and trying to decide what should be my first AK purchase.

I've got the experience with the platform and I have the time, interest, and ammo, oh, and the money. I have not kept up with the world of AK since 2008.

Advice please, and thanks.
You got back in it a couple years to late. New market Wasr, used market look Vepr or Norinco I suppose. A lot of people love Arsenal but for the price you pay I would rather find a like new Vepr in the used market. That's just my opinion though.
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Don't waste money on a WASR. They're still what they were when you left, just different QC issues.

WBP is good it seems, as are any of the other comblocs.


Here comes the short bus...
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I got out of the AK platform about ten years ago. And, I'm back now and trying to decide what should be my first AK purchase.

I've got the experience with the platform and I have the time, interest, and ammo, oh, and the money. I have not kept up with the world of AK since 2008.

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Get Vepr or Arsenal
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Get or stay with an Ar-15. All you ever hear about Aks is problems with them.
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get a WASR... they're the most popular and most sold of the "under a grand" AK's for a reason. There's a few that have minor problems, but usually very minor issue.
Agreed.
Get a WASR the longest standing AK sold in America that's still on the market. (or Paratrooper, or RH10)
The other options are Bulgarian (Arsenal) or Zastava (Serbian) anything else NEW is not a Combloc rifle.

WBP is still a new Commercial Poland parts kit using a FB barrel on a US receiver.
There is no long term results to say "WBP is as good or better" here, except hopes......

Only thing WBP has done is prove they can pass a 5,000 round test......so did the RAS47 til it swallowed the no go gauge.
Sorry, save all the butthurt......these are the facts. They SEEM to be good so far, and I hope they are.

There is also the used market with Norinco, SAIGA, VEPR, etc
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Except there is almost a daily post of a new WASR here with some issue, usually with magazine catches lately. If they're good, they're acceptable, but that's a much bigger if sight unseen, and don't have any of the features.
A man with a file can rectify it in a couple minutes

Par for the course with combloc guns
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I def want to grab an RH10 or Paratrooper before century raises prices sky high .. they look fun for sure
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if you can:
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Draco pistol to SBR or convert to rifle
Romanian Paratrooper

gunbroker for used market
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Spend less money on weapons systems platforms, and more money on training, for a promotional DVD on the training we offer, contact JamiesGayger@TacticalPlatformScaffolding.net.

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