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Old 03-05-2016, 11:09 AM   #1
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We just returned from a shopping trip to Europe, some rather interesting buys.
Due to the Paris shootings, the EU has changed their DEACT laws, now a welded & chopped pile of nothing.
No word on banning Muslims, just their [already] illegally modified guns.
This change in their laws has lead to the "dumping" of some very nice inventory for the US market, that normally would have been held for the European DEACT market.

Incoming in 6+ months:
Serb M49/57 kits, small lot
Croation ZAGI, small lot
Polish Pallads, [AK under-barrel grenade launcher] small lot, should retail at $495 each, NOS, with mounting hardware.
PPS43/52 Polish wood stock, last of available product.
SAR 80, all new never fired guns, small lot, reasonable price.
PKM 100 round assault drums.
38 rotary DShK, 10 pieces.
NAZI market MG-42 tripods.

30 pcs NAZI 8cm mortars, perfect, in original transit chests, all marking intact.
Baseplate, bipod, tube, perhaps unissued? No optics.
Lost some bodily fluids when we opened the crates, no extra charge.
These should retail just under $3k each, you will NEVER see these offered again.

Mini-Uzi kits, from new guns, 10 only.
KGKT kits, 200 pcs, new in the wrap guns, should be retail under $500 each.
Z70 Star, 100 pieces, used, good
ZB-37 with tripod.
New, never issued MG-42 barrels
New, never issued 42 barrel extensions.
Maxim cloth belts, 54r, perfect, will work with 8mm maxim and Vickers.
LUGAR, 1913, 90%, all matching, not for sale during my life time.

Breda tripods, 3 pieces, excellent but dirty, brought up from a deep [fresh] water lake in Austria where the Americans dumped tens of thousands+ of weapons from 1945 to 1955.
No oxygen at the 100 meter level, amazing condition.
The salvage guy told me there are 88s on the bottom, unknown if true.
Interesting story.

We are applying for import docs this week, takes about 6 months from now until delivery.

Thanks, bob

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Old 03-05-2016, 11:34 AM   #2
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Any chance of reserving one of the KGKT kits?
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Old 03-05-2016, 12:15 PM   #3
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:32 PM   #4
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Is there a way to put yourself on a list....downpayment or something?
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:54 PM   #5
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Default backorders:

Forgot to mention, please email Miss Gina with backorder requests.
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We never take money as a down payment, just a simple list, first on list is first to be notified, first right of purchase or refusal.
Keep in mind it takes 6+ months from "we will take it" [in Europe] to USA delivery.
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:08 PM   #6
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Any news on the incoming shipment that's due anytime http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251741
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:13 AM   #7
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The Polish & Serb PK[M] kits are due into the states in 2 weeks.
D-44 cannons are on the water.
NSWT are cut, waiting on a full container.
7,62x54r ammo is in stock, in Florida.
PKT are cut, waiting on full container.
MP-5 vendor has not been returning phone calls, not sure of status.
Anything else I missed?
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:52 AM   #8
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Got a ballpark price on the Mini UZIs? Open or closed bolt?
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:02 PM   #9
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Ohh...star Z70's would be a fun SBR semi build.....

Very cool getting milsurp stuff from the bottom of a fresh water lake.
I think I could get into scuba diving for that.....
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:42 PM   #10
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Whats the 7,62x54r ammo going to run?
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Old 03-06-2016, 04:03 PM   #11
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Did you manage to get any pictures of the salvage operation on the Austrian lake dive? This story has the makings of a fantastic television show.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:04 PM   #12
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No, I did not take "make" any pictures.
By the end of the war, the Tommy's were obsolete, M1A1 were also.
The way the story goes, it was not worth bringing back these weapons to be scrapped in the USA, so they dumped tens of thousands of them in the lake, up to 1955.
The lake is near the Italian border, so most of the captured Italian, German & Soviet weapons and ordnance are sitting down there.
I saw [now DEACTS] most every WWII salvaged weapon imaginable, all in decent condition.
The weapons found in nearby creeks and rivers [oxygen] were clumps of rust, but the deep items [no oxygen] were in amazingly good shape.
The 3 Breda tripods we bought were full of silt, but paint and mechanics were fine.
A good cleaning, and they should be fine.
One has several bullet holes in it.
I saw a MP-43 that had a gas tube was as long as the barrel, never seen one before.
A very interesting story indeed.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:27 PM   #13
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Whats the price looking to be around on the ZAGI Kits? How are the receivers cut?
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:36 AM   #14
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The Zagi kits are expensive.
We paid $250 each over there price, before demill, transportation, customs, duty, office overhead, & profit.
A WAG [wild-ass-guess] price of $500 retail.
A good general rule-of-thumb is retail ends up double what we pay for an item in Europe.
Between the Muzzies driving up the price, and new EU laws, its tough to bring new items to the market at a reasonable price.
Demill will be by the ATF guide-lines, 3 torch cuts=4 pieces, and 2 times cut barrel.
We have no choice on how-where the cuts are made.
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Okay awesome Bob. Appreciate it!
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Old 03-07-2016, 06:21 PM   #16
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No, I did not take "make" any pictures.
By the end of the war, the Tommy's were obsolete, M1A1 were also.
The way the story goes, it was not worth bringing back these weapons to be scrapped in the USA, so they dumped tens of thousands of them in the lake, up to 1955.
The lake is near the Italian border, so most of the captured Italian, German & Soviet weapons and ordnance are sitting down there.
I saw [now DEACTS] most every WWII salvaged weapon imaginable, all in decent condition.
The weapons found in nearby creeks and rivers [oxygen] were clumps of rust, but the deep items [no oxygen] were in amazingly good shape.
The 3 Breda tripods we bought were full of silt, but paint and mechanics were fine.
A good cleaning, and they should be fine.
One has several bullet holes in it.
I saw a MP-43 that had a gas tube was as long as the barrel, never seen one before.
A very interesting story indeed.
Thanks, bob
you took a picture of crate full of MP40s, but I have not seen them mentioned in your posts. are those coming in?
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Old 03-07-2016, 06:22 PM   #17
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Ohh...star Z70's would be a fun SBR semi build.....

Very cool getting milsurp stuff from the bottom of a fresh water lake.
I think I could get into scuba diving for that.....
I am very excited about those. been looking for a Star kit for a while. missed the boat on the z45s
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Old 03-07-2016, 07:28 PM   #18
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At the 100m level.... is approximately 390' down there. Whoever gets that stuff at that depth is earning their money. I wish I was there....

Is is a sin that this stuff has to be de-milled to be brought into the US.....

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Old 03-07-2016, 09:40 PM   #20
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I want to go night fishing with a magnet and 400 feet of rope.
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I want to go night fishing with a magnet and 400 feet of rope.
I could see you doing that and trying to pull up a 88mm Flak gun....
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Torch cut receivers included in mini uzi kits?
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:40 AM   #23
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Torch mini-Uzi cut receiver will be included, exactly to ATF spec sheet.
These are new factory open bolt guns, only 10 pieces available.
The MP-40s are VERY expensive, my [over-there] price is 1500 Euros, impossible to make any money on them, we had to pass.
I thought it would be a fun picture, we have not seen a lot like that for many years.
To early for RPD prices, should be close to what our kits sold for last time, Gina has the numbers.
A magnet is exactly how the items are recovered from the lake during the winter months.
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ok that makes sense, i knew they would be expensive.

I am much more excited for the Star Z70 kits.

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are the KGKT kits, just the polish version of the SG43 converted to shoulder fire sans carriage??

or does the T refer to tank variant (electric firing)?

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A magnet is exactly how the items are recovered from the lake during the winter months.
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I wish you hadn't said that.... What fun that must be fishing for guns, wondering what one will pull back up each time the magnet is thrown over the side..... I don't think I would come back to shore until I had my limit (before the boat would sink).....
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you took a picture of crate full of MP40s, but I have not seen them mentioned in your posts. are those coming in?
Anybody up for a dive mission?Looking for my gear right now!
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Anybody up for a dive mission?Looking for my gear right now!
A small barge with an electromagnet would work....

Robert B.- any idea on the condition of the wood on the weapons that they have recovered...???
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Are the Pallad launchers still in the works? Pics?
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Put me on the list for a SAR 80 pending price info.
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Sar80 would be interesting, are you guys still getting these?
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Yes, the SAR80 [and the rest of the items] landed in California last week, headed to TNW's FTZ, where they will be cut into parts kits.
In addition, Pallad launchers are there, with mounting bracket, and another lot of Serb PKMs.
Mini Uzi is a factory full auto kit, they should be priced at $995 each kit, with all demilled pieces.
50 more Tantal kits incoming, last of the last.
400 pieces of [as new] Polish AKM kits will be here in November, shooting for $395 retail each kit.
MP-40s are still in the works, missed this shipment.
8 to 10 containers of factory [ex-soviet] inert ordnance coming in, everything from Tok training rounds to INERT Saggers.
KGKT kits are inbound, most cut from new guns, target retail at $495 each kit.
PKM assault drums, MG53 NOS barrels, ZB-37 kits, M72 Serb kits, MG42 AA extensions, Maxim tabbed cloth belts, pkm linkers, 57mm INERT rockets, 107mm INERT rockets, Model 54 INERT grenades, Breda tripods, Gustav INERT rnds, Tantal poly mags, GSH-23, NR-23 kits, DShK NOS barrels, 2A28 [BMP] cannon, DShK model 38 kits [target retail $2495]+ other stuff incoming.
Please email Miss Gina at: sales@bowmanarms.com
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Keep your eye open for FNC parts. Sooner or later they will parted out.
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Thanks for the update Bob.
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you got me all hot and bothered with these posts Bob... lol
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