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Old 10-12-2017, 10:39 PM   #1
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Default Another 1951 Russian

Can anyone tell me what the symbol above the star means and is this a good one to get? The rifle is in awesome condition other than the wood being worn but looks good. All matching.....

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Old 10-12-2017, 10:47 PM   #2
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That is a rework mark. Here it is on my 1952 rework:




As you know, I'm sure, some reworks were more "reworked" than others. In the case of my '52, all they did was dip blue it, put a new laminated stock on and stamp it to match. They didn't even switch out the upper handguard. Without more pictures, it's hard to say what exactly was done to your rifle during the process.

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Old 10-12-2017, 10:52 PM   #3
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Here is one of the only other pictures I have of it so far.

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Old 10-12-2017, 10:54 PM   #4
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The blackened bayonet is another sure sign of a rework. Post some more pictures. So far, it looks like a schweet little carbine!!
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:03 PM   #5
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I only have one '51:



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Old 10-12-2017, 11:07 PM   #6
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All I have of it.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:11 PM   #7
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Unfortunately he is firm on $550 for the rifle AND 2 hours 20 minutes from me.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:26 PM   #8
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For a rework, that's a little high at the moment but eventually, that price will be a steal.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:28 PM   #9
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I want it but the price and the drive both working against me LOL
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:28 AM   #10
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Any chance he's in southern va? Lol
I sold my yugo sks and have been itching to get another.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:35 AM   #11
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But would you pay $550 for that one?
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:38 AM   #12
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Well back in 2013 I paid $550 for this Russian 54 Refurb.

Then I needed some extra funds in 2016..., I sold my 54 SKS Tula Russian Refurb that was matching, with also the painted bolt group. I Sold it on co-signment, and I received $585 for it @ LGS in 2016. So the dude that bought it he paid total, $650.00

Here she is here at the LGS before it sold.




But for right now...i would recommend waiting around for other better deals out there. GB or Armslist.

Driving 2 1/2 hours to pay $550 for Russian sks Refurb right now, would not be appealing to me personally.

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But would you pay $550 for that one?
I know where there is a very similar 51 right now that comes with an additional Tapco stock for $600. I have been leaving it there for over a year now, and I drive right past it virtually every weekday.
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I want a Russian badly but they don't pop up near me ever and when they do its priced high. I know in the years to come this one probably will be worth more but right now I'm not willing to pay $550 AND drive that far.
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Unfortunately he is firm on $550 for the rifle AND 2 hours 20 minutes from me.
It took me over a year (this was this past year) to sell a 1954 Izhevsk SKS in excellent condition, very light refurb with the only part refurbed was a replacement 1954 Izhevsk Stock that had the serial XXX'd out. I had the price listed at $500.

Russians may sell for a premium on places like gunbroker but at least in my area any SKS over $450 does not sell well locally
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Around here a nice Russian always goes kinda high. They may or may not sell I don't know. I've just in the past year gotten into SKS's a little. I'm 30 years late on doing it though. If I could only go back to the high school days when Roses had them for $69.
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Personally, I would. But I also LOVE the Russian SKSs. I paid $550 for a Tula “ex DDR” back when we still called them that about 5 years ago and never regretted it.
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Personally, I would. But I also LOVE the Russian SKSs. I paid $550 for a Tula “ex DDR” back when we still called them that about 5 years ago and never regretted it.
What is DDR? German? Forgive my ignorance, but was a Rusky re-work destined for Germany?
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What is DDR?
East Germany. The /1\ marking was once assumed to be an East German property marking, but has since been revealed to be a specific arsenal refurb marking... 1st Grau, IIRC.
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So I can assume the re-works were performed in EG?
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So I can assume the re-works were performed in EG?
No. My bad, not 1st Grau, it is the mark for 1871st ABV in Liski, Russia.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...uot-1-quot-%29.
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Thanks for the link 'Oli, much appreciated. I'm heading there now.

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Yep. Was once believed to be an EG loaner, which is why I grabbed it, but even now that we know it wasn't, I don't regret the purchase or even a penny of the price! Russians are never coming into country again. The prices will only ever go up. If you have the money and desire, grab what you want and don't look back. And who knows, if you DO end up over paying, gun karma may smile on you. When I discovered that it really WASN'T an EG loaner, I found a 1954 Non-Refurb PRISTINE Izzy for $400 OTD at a local store, so the universe made up for it!
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I think sks prices are being driven by ban state markets or something because people are trying to sell sks's for 400 and higher every time I see one locally, they don't sell in house but seem to get sold on GB according to the shop owners. The country of origin has little difference because pricing all over is too hi BUT for a Russian 500-550 seems to be the rate. I would pay that if it was in good shape but I wouldn't pay more then 350 for a Chinese they just imported too many
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I think sks prices are being driven by ban state markets or something because people are trying to sell sks's for 400 and higher every time I see one locally, they don't sell in house but seem to get sold on GB according to the shop owners. The country of origin has little difference because pricing all over is too hi BUT for a Russian 500-550 seems to be the rate. I would pay that if it was in good shape but I wouldn't pay more then 350 for a Chinese they just imported too many
I mean, it might be that you’re too cemented in hey day prices... no more are coming in. Lack of supply to meet demand will ALWAYS drive prices up. Hugo’s remain relatively cheap because they’re still coming in, but Chinese, Russian, etc. are only ever going to get more expensive.
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I picked up a '51 Russian a few years ago for $480 and while I didn't get a screaming deal on it I feel it was a decent representative model.That particular one was what I would call a heavy refurb with painted bolt and metal. It was still unfired since it was refurbished and imported, it had all matching numbers and the stock is not a line out.


But, the one you are looking at has some finish issues with the shellac on the stock and combined with it being over two hours away, for $550 I think I would pass on it.

I don't really collect SKS's, but it seems that I can't resist one if it is priced right. Last year I found a mint 1954 Tula in a local gun store and took it home for $450 OTD. It is a light refurb with it's original bluing and a replacement laminated stock.


A year or so before that, I found a '52 on the local Armslist in about the same condition as the one you pictured and bought it for $375. About the same time I found another Russian, this time a '54 Ishvek and I got it for $350

The point I am trying to make is that they are out there and while not as common as a Chinese SKS, neither are they all that rare and deals can be found. I would rather pay a little more for a better one than settle for the first one that becomes available.
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