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Old 05-07-2018, 05:55 PM   #1
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Default Abused SKSs and used/milsurp Ebay stocks...

Short and sweet...
I owe 2 SKS rifles. One is Russian, the other one is Chinese. Both have beautiful, well kept, matching metal parts... when bought, both had TAPCO stocks (the Russian has a black Montecarlo - I don't hate it -, the Chinese, one of those ridiculous folding POSs).

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What problems do you see with me buying USED, MILSURP Russian and Chinese stocks to bring back some DIGNITY to these rifles...

1. Concerning 922r compliance.
2. Status as a collectible. (least important to me... these will NOT be sold... but I still wanted to pick your brain on the matter).
3. Anything else I am too ignorant to ask. (Can't ask what you don't know, right?)

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1. No issues
2. It will never match so it will take a little hit on value. But in original configuration it will be worth more than it is now in the aftercrappy stocks
3. I have "saved" several such bubba'd SKSs and I say, good on you!
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Second above ..Esp on 922r

And in org stock even no matching will still be a good thing
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Thank you guys. I promise to post pictures of these rifles once they are RESCUED... I will try my best to keep them as original as possible.
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OK. I've got a few questions concerning my Chinese SKS. I received the Stock in the mail. It looks good. However, as you know, NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH MY RIFLE. So:

1. Should I refinish the stock (get rid of the lacquer and put an oil finish on it... linseed oil, no less than 6 or 7 coats), or should I leave it alone. Would it make a difference in the value, collectibility, historical accuracy? I want the rifle to be as close to its original configuration as possible... any other suggestions will be appreciated.

2. Forward hand grip: WOOD or 'CHEESE GRATER'? I like "the look" of the cheese grater, but is it appropriate (historically) to use that part on an SKS? Has anyone used one before? Do they get hot after repeated fire?

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If the stock is in good shape, I would leave it alone.
Is your gas tube the Tapco replacement, or factory with Tapco hand guard?
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It's worth noting that Chinese SKS aren't universally the same. You can end up with long collar or short collar rifles and the stocks are not quite interchangeable. You could probably do a ton of sanding and woodworking, but it's way more of a PITA than making sure that you're buying the correct stock in the first place.
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If the stock is in good shape, I would leave it alone.
Is your gas tube the Tapco replacement, or factory with Tapco hand guard?
It's the factory one, with the TAPCO hand guard.

Thank you so much for your input... I am really curious to know what you all think. I'm just trying to give these rifles a little dignity back.
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It's worth noting that Chinese SKS aren't universally the same. You can end up with long collar or short collar rifles and the stocks are not quite interchangeable. You could probably do a ton of sanding and woodworking, but it's way more of a PITA than making sure that you're buying the correct stock in the first place.
OK. Got cha! I'm picking the rifle up tomorrow... guess I'll see. I am glad you said that... Thank you for the heads up.
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one last note about picking up an SKS stock - make sure that the center support and nut are on there. it's a pain in the butt finding those parts and they aren't cheap.
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Remember: Nearly all late model chinese stocks made for pinned barrels. Any sks barreled action with a threaded barrel (short lug or long lug) will NOT fit in a stock cross-bolted and inletted for a pinned barreled action.
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OK. I've got a few questions concerning my Chinese SKS. I received the Stock in the mail. It looks good. However, as you know, NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH MY RIFLE. So:

1. Should I refinish the stock (get rid of the lacquer and put an oil finish on it... linseed oil, no less than 6 or 7 coats), or should I leave it alone. Would it make a difference in the value, collectibility, historical accuracy? I want the rifle to be as close to its original configuration as possible... any other suggestions will be appreciated.

2. Forward hand grip: WOOD or 'CHEESE GRATER'? I like "the look" of the cheese grater, but is it appropriate (historically) to use that part on an SKS? Has anyone used one before? Do they get hot after repeated fire?

Thank you.
No military sks ever used the vented metal upper hand guard. Yes, they do get hot.

Original finish was not linseed oil so that would not be more correct. Original was amber shellac. Rifles refinished for commercial sale had a more reddish shellac and the stock was sanded thinner from the refinishing process.
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Also, linseed oil does not take well to the type of wood the chinese used. You won't get the kind of look you would expect on a typical hardwood stock.
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OK. Here are the pictures of the stock I bought... $40 on ebay.
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... and here is the Norinko SKS I bought for $375... Rifling is great, all parts match except the bolt (?). Not the find of the century... but... I thought maybe you guys could help me figure out something about this rifle. Serial number is S8889, except bolt. I don't see any import markings. There is and factory engraving on the side that reads "Norinco SKS 7.62 CHINA." Under it there is also a less clear engraving that reads "GB (S or 5) x 3? CAL". It is difficult to tell...

Any thoughts or info would be highly appreciated.
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... and here is the Norinko SKS I bought for $375... Rifling is great, all parts match except the bolt (?). Not the find of the century... but... I thought maybe you guys could help me figure out something about this rifle. Serial number is S8889, except bolt. I don't see any import markings. There is and factory engraving on the side that reads "Norinco SKS 7.62 CHINA." Under it there is also a less clear engraving that reads "GB (S or 5) x 3? CAL". It is difficult to tell...

Any thoughts or info would be highly appreciated.

On a positive note: This rifle is a "Paratroop" model with the shorter barrel. This one is worth the time to save!
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It looks like a long lug barrel (hard to tell from the fuzzy pics), so your stock might not fit. If this was an "S" series letter gun, those are pretty uncommon. It probably should have a blade bayonet as well, you can tell by looking at the front ferrule that holds the stock. If the notch cut into it is a V shape, it should be blade. A spiker has a U shaped notch.
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Imma figure out how to post better pics. It would not let me post pics with moré resolution. I know I’m doing something wrong. I need as much of your help as possible.
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OK... so I went to Chinese SKS Guide and discovered that this rifle is a:

1. Screw Long Collar.
2. Early Milled Receiver.
3. Milled Receiver and Trigger group.
4. Para Spike Bayonet (Considering that this rifle is a paratrooper according to you all... seems original). No serial number to proove it though. It is the shorter spike kind.
5. U shaped Bayo notched --> So the bayonet should be correct according to Stone_oil... and since it is the shorter spike bayonet... there is a high probability that this is the ORIGINAL spike... I seriously doubt that the dumbass that put a TAPCO stock on this rifle knew the difference... OR CARED (like me).
6. Early Bayo Lug
7. Rear Sight is a "pi symbol" one...
8. Early Rear Sight Block
9. One piece EARLY gas block... but is NON MATCHING... bolt does NOT match either...

From everything above and your help, I guess I can conclude that this is an EARLY PARA Chinese SKS with NON MATCHING parts (gas tube and bolt).
This paratrooper was never used by Chinese military, but since it was basically a "HACK JOB" from the Chinese makers for civilian sale... it was considered rarish, because there were not many made like that... That is at least what I read...

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The gun it was made from was early, and that really isn't that much of an indication of when it was converted to a para. The import mark might be a clue on that, but may or may not.
As far as pics go, upload to one of nalioth's pic hosts like http://picpaste.novarata.net/ and put the resulting link into the dialog that pops up when you click in the line above the text box.
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OK. Let's try this one more time...


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How about a larger version of this one:


Also, it looks like the stock ferrule was originally for a blade bayo but was modified for the spike. You can still see the point of the V notch in the middle.
You could get by with either one, bit finding a blade para stock is next to Impossible while the spike para stock is almost the same as the standard SKS stock. There were lots of SKS made with spike bayos and threaded barrels so they aren't that hard to find.
Also when reassembling don't forget the squiggly end of the recoil spring goes into the bolt carrier.
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Here are the markings...








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Funny thing is, I have the stock for S8672...
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This is a better, clearer picture of the import markings... sorry about my lack of expertise uploading picture. Thank you for your opinion...



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Funny thing is, I have the stock for S8672...
Shut up!!! Really??? Care to sell it?
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^^No, I am holding out hope of finding the rest of it. I bought the stock at a gun show with the Bubbafied rifle sitting next to it, and didn't see what I had until I got home.

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^^No, I am holding out hope of finding the rest of it. I bought the stock at a gun show with the Bubbafied rifle sitting next to it, and didn't see what I had until I got home.

Now we need to teach you how to resize your pics before nalioth has a coronary...

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Got it! Sorry! I'll resize all the pictures. Thank you for showing me how. I really appreciate it.
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Got it! Sorry!
No need to apologize to me... but you can also resize your pics before you upload them, saving the resized image as a copy of the original. It is easier that way, if you can't remember the code.
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^^No, I am holding out hope of finding the rest of it. I bought the stock at a gun show with the Bubbafied rifle sitting next to it, and didn't see what I had until I got home.

From what I've been able to determine, this rifle IS an early version of the Chinese SKS... it saw military use by the Chinese Army... and was later BUBBA HACKED by... of course... Century Arms International (I am able to read the CAI on the picture now that I have it on the screen), and converted into a "Paratrooper" civilian model for sell in the USA...

The way I see it... to me... the rifle has plenty of historic value... It is worth trying to restore its dignity...

If you have any opinions on the matter, please let me know... I am a rookie on this matter and I really want to know your brutal opinion... I wanna do right by this rifle...
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From what I've been able to determine, this rifle IS an early version of the Chinese SKS... it saw military use by the Chinese Army... and was later BUBBA HACKED by... of course... Century Arms International (I am able to read the CAI on the picture now that I have it on the screen), and converted into a "Paratrooper" civilian model for sell in the USA...

The way I see it... to me... the rifle has plenty of historic value... It is worth trying to restore its dignity...

If you have any opinions on the matter, please let me know... I am a rookie on this matter and I really want to know your brutal opinion... I wanna do right by this rifle...
That's not CAI, it's GBE, Huntington Beach, California, number 65 on this list. Most paras were cut down in China before import, IIRC.

Yes, you should rescue that rifle... and sell that ATI stock on eBay. I got $60 out of the one I sold.
Be careful with the hand guard ferrule and the pin that holds it onto the gas tube. That is the place most usually boogered during the Bubba/unBubba process, and you pretty well have to buy a replacement gas tube just to get the ferrule.
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Son of a bitch! The stock fits like a damn glove... I am one lucky SOB!!! Look...









It is just a little tight. Just a little... it takes a moderate tap with a rubber mallet to fit the rear part. I thought maybe I wanted to sand it a little... but I think I am just going to leave it alone. The wood does not look like it is in distress with pressure and I think I'd rather have it fit snug than to be loose. Opinions???

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Looks great! If you can tell where the snugness is (ferrule to rear or crossbolt to rear) you could take a little off either the front of the stock or the part in the back where the trigger group retaining boss is, if you have to. Shouldn't be a problem though.
You could also carefully wide the front end of the bayo slot of the bayo doesn't fit right, as that is what they did to spiker stocks to convert them to para.
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