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Old 06-13-2018, 09:40 AM   #36
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$120.00 for another gimmick to make your pistol look like some fantasy weapon from a video game. What will they think of next? How did anyone ever get by for the last 100 years without it? And I thought the whole idea of being armed with a pistol is to not let one's assailant get that close.
IMO, if you get to the point that you have to resort to contact shots, and bashing him on the head, you've already fucked-up. Maybe you might be better off with a double action revolver? ............James.
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$120.00 for another gimmick to make your pistol look like some fantasy weapon from a video game. What will they think of next? How did anyone ever get by for the last 100 years without it? And I thought the whole idea of being armed with a pistol is to not let one's assailant get that close.
IMO, if you get to the point that you have to resort to contact shots, and bashing him on the head, you've already fucked-up.
Maybe you might be better off with a double action revolver? ............James.
Yup.

One with an 8" barrel would do...
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Just make sure you check your bore for obstructions after using as a meat tenderizer.
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Yup.

One with an 8" barrel would do...
You don't have to hit them with he barrel; that sharp corner of the frame at the bottom of the crane assembly has the potential to put a neat dent in someone's skull. It still isn't optimum; it's not what pistols are designed for.

To paraphrase Bill Jordan, "When you're justifying your actions later in court; it's easier to convince a jury that you didn't shoot him too much, than it is to convince them that you didn't hit him too hard". ........James.
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More shrapnel for the Glocknade?

Impressive.
OMG... Glock just makes so many people look down into their Spiderman Underoos and feel inadequate.

"Glocknades"... let me guess, assholes shoot LEAD and foul the barrels. They also shoot reloads and hot loads. All of that goes against the Glock manual instructions. So when the gun "fails" it is the GUN.

And then there's the "tardspede" rush to change every internal part to some pricey MOD part. Again, gun goes "boom" or will not cycle, it's the GUN.

Don't get me started on those "Carry Condition Dumbass" (chambered and cocked) guys when they do that with a Glock. Yep, trigger gets pulled and... it's the gun again.
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So it pretty much makes disassembling the gun and taking the slide of impossible with out tools.
But Glocks don't need to be cleaned
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Contact shots, kids...

It has it's place regardless of your opinions.

Not everyone lives or works in the same environment as you....
You have a valid point. This is why Reid henrichs has a good little video on why your backup gun maybe should be a revolver. The only problem is that the product looks a little too goofy to take seriously. Yeah it only takes a little pressure on on the slide or barrel to take an auto out of battery, but unless the fix is something clean and unobtrusive I don't see it catching on.

We have a fairly free market so more power to the company making these.
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For those of you who will never see armed close quarters combat this is probably a waste. To those who's life may depend on a contact shot or vs someone who knows all they have to do is push your weapon out of battery to disable it, this might be useful. If it happens that your weapon becomes disabled or you are in to tight to get off a reload this may come in handy. Also, adding weight to the muzzle end will aid in reducing muzzle flip. It also would appear that it would make it harder for a knowledgeable opponent to relieve your weapon of it's slide. Had this been available when I was working it'd have looked into it further. Empty weapon CQB is a thing.

OH, one more thing, the Glock 21 is the single greatest combat hand weapon ever devised by mankind.
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Wow...just what I have always wanted...a Glock styled meat tenderizer.
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Also, adding weight to the muzzle end will aid in reducing muzzle flip.
The dingus is aluminum.

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It also would appear that it would make it harder for a knowledgeable opponent to relieve your weapon of it's slide.
I think you're mistaking the Glock for a Beretta 92 series pistol.

Conversely, you have no clue what "combat" means.

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OH, one more thing, the Glock 21 is the single greatest combat hand weapon ever devised by mankind.
Wut?

I guess it's after five somewhere . . .
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Yeah, I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Yeah, I have no clue what I'm talking about.
I mean you did say this:

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OH, one more thing, the Glock 21 is the single greatest combat hand weapon ever devised by mankind.

It doesn't even point naturally
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It doesn't even point naturally
point naturally what does that even mean? elaborate
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Looks like its good for beating your meat. Both literally and figuratively.
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point naturally what does that even mean? elaborate
It means that its not aiming above your target when you hold out your hand at a natural angle i.e. not cocked downward. In other words, having a grip angle more akin to a:

-Springfield XD
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Or any other pistol that doesn't use a peculiar, ergonomic incorrect grip angle
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point naturally what does that even mean? elaborate
I have heard it described as:

A version of a natural point is when we grasp a handgun, close our eyes and raise it to an arms length shooting position. If we can open our eyes and look at the sights reasonably aligned without then needing to tilt the gun up or down, it is natural pointer.


Another version is this:


1) Pick a point on a wall across the room

2) Close your eyes and aim at that point using your index finger.

3) Open your eyes. If you are On or Close to the target, That's Natural Pointing.

4) Now repeat that same exercise using an UNLOADED handgun.

If you can mimic the aiming results of the index finger, you have a natural pointing handgun.



That's how I heard it explained; YMMV.


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I call it "practice". Never had a problem handling my Glock. If you suck with a pistol it's because you don't know how to use it or you simply don't practice. I could point shoot my 21 bout as well as aiming it to a point. Got particularly good at shooting from the ribcage in close quarters drills.

As far as the 21 being the best combat hand weapon, that was only partly tongue in cheek. If I had to choose a .45 it'd be a Glock 21.

I do prefer my glock .38 for concealed carry. the 21 is quite the brick. But for a duty weapon, glock 21 all the way.
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"OH, one more thing, the Glock 21 is the single greatest combat hand weapon ever devised by mankind"

Bubbajj

No, it's not 5 somewhere, it's the truth..! Touché!

Shouldn't this be in General Pistol Discussion? Wait, it's about Glock, should be in the "Real Weapons" section... HA!

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yea i think a glock 21 gen 4 is one of the top 45 pistols ever. when i had mine had a 27+ round mag in it never malfunctioned. and was accurate and good on recoil.

however i do have a hk45 compact now with a rmr type 2 custom cut into the slide with a gm45 suppresor. along with the taylor freelance +2 mag extensions. i think it is the greatest 45 combat pistol ever constructed now.
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Guys. Enough with this vulgar discussion. There is only one meaningful .45 autoloader : 1911.

Everything else isn't fit for use as anything other than a door stop.
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Ooooh... I need one.. because contact shots don’t miss
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Just some personal info on my opinion.

I work stacked front to back in a large tent from the end of June to mid July every year surrounded by strangers. Some of them drunk, high, or just plain foolish. There is little to no room for trying to index and fire on a bad guy. This item makes my job easier if I do have to drop someone as I can just jam it in their guts and pull the trigger vs trying to do some ninja shit like going prone in a crowd and firing up.

On more than one occasion, I've had to deal with 4-6 baddies looking for a problem. A snub nose isn't going to do the job.

Factor in the fact I work in Dearborn and the fact I understand and speak 2 different dialects of Arabic, I hear the shit these people talk about doing to me when they think I don't understand.

As I said, some of us work in a different environment and this item has merit vs just a random dude using it for ccw or some gun shop commando.

If any of you would like validation, ask sweersa. He has worked for me in the same environment. It's not fun.

I just ask some of you to open your minds before casting judgement on things outside your comfort zone.
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"OH, one more thing, the Glock 21 is the single greatest combat hand weapon ever devised by mankind"

Bubbajj

No, it's not 5 somewhere, it's the truth..! Touché!

Shouldn't this be in General Pistol Discussion? Wait, it's about Glock, should be in the "Real Weapons" section... HA!

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I do enjoy my 21 but my 20 might be the best combat hand weapon ever devised.
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Just some personal info on my opinion.

I work stacked front to back in a large tent from the end of June to mid July every year surrounded by strangers. Some of them drunk, high, or just plain foolish. There is little to no room for trying to index and fire on a bad guy. This item makes my job easier if I do have to drop someone as I can just jam it in their guts and pull the trigger vs trying to do some ninja shit like going prone in a crowd and firing up.

On more than one occasion, I've had to deal with 4-6 baddies looking for a problem. A snub nose isn't going to do the job.

Factor in the fact I work in Dearborn and the fact I understand and speak 2 different dialects of Arabic, I hear the shit these people talk about doing to me when they think I don't understand.

As I said, some of us work in a different environment and this item has merit vs just a random dude using it for ccw or some gun shop commando.

If any of you would like validation, ask sweersa. He has worked for me in the same environment. It's not fun.

I just ask some of you to open your minds before casting judgement on things outside your comfort zone.
Man I don't even know what you're doin in that tent but there ain't nothing you can do to a Glock to make it suitable for that environment. I hope for safety you are armed with a rifle as it would be more suitable for that environment. A sidearm is not intended to be the be all end all tool.
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many times a pistol is all you have. Long arms are neat but unless you carry it slung all the time it's not an option in some situations, like when it's stowed in a gunlock or in the trunk.
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I do enjoy my 21 but my 20 might be the best combat hand weapon ever devised.
I go back and forth between the 20 and 21. For shooting bears, wolves, deer, pigs or other game animals the 20 would be my choice. But for poking holes in humans I still have to go with the 21. Less worries about over penetration.
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Just some personal info on my opinion.

I work stacked front to back in a large tent from the end of June to mid July every year surrounded by strangers. Some of them drunk, high, or just plain foolish. There is little to no room for trying to index and fire on a bad guy. This item makes my job easier if I do have to drop someone as I can just jam it in their guts and pull the trigger vs trying to do some ninja shit like going prone in a crowd and firing up.

On more than one occasion, I've had to deal with 4-6 baddies looking for a problem. A snub nose isn't going to do the job.

Factor in the fact I work in Dearborn and the fact I understand and speak 2 different dialects of Arabic, I hear the shit these people talk about doing to me when they think I don't understand.

As I said, some of us work in a different environment and this item has merit vs just a random dude using it for ccw or some gun shop commando.

If any of you would like validation, ask sweersa. He has worked for me in the same environment. It's not fun.

I just ask some of you to open your minds before casting judgement on things outside your comfort zone.
WTF? Dearborn???
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OK, close quarter assault, bad guy getting closer and closer. Good guy fires and misses, bad guy keeps coming.....repeat 16 more times......Bad guy asks, did he fire 16 or did he fire 17? Bad guy attempts to stick his finger in the barrel and hit the glass breaker. Bad guy says ouch and runs away. Could have gotten ugly without that attachment.
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Everything else isn't fit for use as anything other than a door stop.
Come into the 21st century. It's safe here, you can come in. All kinds of neato new stuff is available here.
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OK, close quarter assault, bad guy getting closer and closer. Good guy fires and misses, bad guy keeps coming.....repeat 16 more times......Bad guy asks, did he fire 16 or did he fire 17? Bad guy attempts to stick his finger in the barrel and hit the glass breaker. Bad guy says ouch and runs away. Could have gotten ugly without that attachment.
You come around a corner and the baddie is right on top of you, you have no time to aim, he's grabbing for your gun. You have time for one shot. Make it count. drive it into his gut and pull the trigger as many times and as quickly as you can. OH SHIT, you've driven it to hard into his gut and it's out of battery. OH shit, baddie is all over you like stink on shit. OH FUCK, you've just been stabbed in the gut by the bad guy. Too bad you didn't have that muzzle thingy that would have prevented your death.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:06 PM   #70
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You're better off jabbing a knife into his gut in that situation than a pistol
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