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Old 08-23-2017, 10:16 AM   #1
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Default Gratuitous TA44 w/ ACSS Reticle, Krebs, and RS Regulate photos









The T&E one I had in for review was a high (normal or AR height) mount but the one I ordered once they were available was the low mount. This thing is just sweet on an AK with the RS mount
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Old 08-23-2017, 04:03 PM   #2
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Me likie. Would you recommend going with the rear-biased mount? That looks like it's at the rear-most part of that forward biased RS Regulate mount.
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Very nice.


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Me likie. Would you recommend going with the rear-biased mount? That looks like it's at the rear-most part of that forward biased RS Regulate mount.
Depends on the stock length (LOP) and even then rear biased mount won't work.

I prefer shorter stocks, NATO is to long for me and add body armor etc it's not ideal at all.
I have similar setup and forward bias mount is just perfect.....any more to the rear would make the optic less then how it's design to work.

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Old 08-23-2017, 04:40 PM   #4
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Really wanting to try one of these new TA44's, but afraid I may not like it once I get it.
$1000+ is an expensive mistake.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:17 PM   #5
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Really wanting to try one of these new TA44's, but afraid I may not like it once I get it.
$1000+ is an expensive mistake.
Id say wait a little and grab one from someone on secondary market. Acogs typically drop to $800-900 range, and TA44 from what i have seen goes for even cheaper.
This is a very... id say unique model. Not everyone gonna buy it, and from those who will buy it not many will like it.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:21 PM   #6
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This is a very... id say unique model. Not everyone gonna buy it, and from those who will buy it not many will like it.
Can you explain why? Reviews I've seen here state that its the "best option for the AK" and sorta.

Any drawbacks of it (I mean the acss version).

Thanks!

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Me likie. Would you recommend going with the rear-biased mount? That looks like it's at the rear-most part of that forward biased RS Regulate mount.
For me there's plenty of room. I could move it forward and still be fine in terms of eye relief
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Old 08-23-2017, 06:38 PM   #8
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Can you explain why? Reviews I've seen here state that its the "best option for the AK" and sorta.

Any drawbacks of it (I mea the acss version).

Thanks!
I don't have one yet, so keep in mind that this is my logical thinking.

Problems with reviews that you see is the same as with all the reviews for everything new that hits the market - hype.
What no one ever writes about is what happens after hype goes away - crickets.
There are two most common complaints that i have seen for the past few years about TA44 - price and what you get for that price. Lets be realistic, it is a $1000 red dot. In case of ACSS version it is a $1000 holosun.
Most common reasons i have seen people state when they sell their TA44 are not enough magnification, and switching to a red dot.

Now lets talk about AK market.
For 5.45 i think this is a great optic. However, reality is that 7.62x39 rules AK market. Reality is that majority are AK47 owners. That being said, look at the reticle for 7.62x39 - are you personally satisfied? Im not.
Now lets say someone owns full size AK and AKSU (Krink) version. In that situation would you place TA44 on full size or aksu? To save weight and ergonomics i would place it on asku without thinking twice. Can that reticle accommodate 7.62x39 out of short barrel out to 300m? I doubt, would be awesome if someone who knows could tell us.

Then there are people that have some sort of vision problems. Those people struggle with red dots. One of the hypes about this TA44 is that it will eliminate blurriness. Okay, cool, but guess what else people with vision problems struggle with- seeing anything downrange. Will 1.5x magnification fix that?

Personally im going to purchase it. It fits my needs, it will work for me and it will serve its purpose very well. I thought it through .. Now lets say there is someone who didn't think it through and made impulse purchase, that someone is very likely to regret it. This thing is not for everyone.
Hopefully i answered your question.
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One thing I really respect about you is your thought process, and that you actually do get out and try things. You also understand optics and the AK, and don't make hasty statements.

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Old 08-24-2017, 02:09 AM   #10
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Thanks!

As for the reticle I like it. Now I use mil spec Rakurs and that ACSS has all the things that Rakurs's reticle lacks. IMO. But 1000$ is a 1000$.

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Very excited about this. It will definitely help with astigmatism!

We made an all new lower for the three bolt TA-44 and TA-50 optics: AKOT.
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Old 08-25-2017, 03:32 AM   #12
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I would rather get another good AK than Acog Too much of $. Aimpoint PRO is the most expensive I have on one of mine Arsenals and it does nothing better than 3 times cheaper primary red dot anyway
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:59 AM   #13
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It's a very good if not one of the best optic and especially for an AK if weight is a concern.
Build as tough as anything gets, glass is top notch, it's magnified so it's no red dot (easier on your eyes when tracking target), unlike red dot- there's no batteries to worry about. Weights as much as small red dot.

If BDC is a must, well, there's 3x version in almost the same size/weight. But I agree, it would have been even better if ACSS was in 7.62x39 on 1.5x version. That is what stopping me in getting another one.
Even without BDC it's still an awesome optic.


Take the price tag out of it and look at it for what it is....... then think where your priorities are when it comes to combat-like optic.
I would take this over any Holosun into combat and I own/use Holosun as well.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:46 PM   #14
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On the SLR106FR with the RS mount
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:58 PM   #15
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Nice but pic to small.....might be good for 3" old phone, sucks for PC display.

It's like 1997 56K dial-up days photo.
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Old 09-03-2017, 03:51 PM   #16
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For me there's plenty of room. I could move it forward and still be fine in terms of eye relief
How is the eye box on this? one of the advantages of a simple micro red dot is no eye relief and eye box issues. Some prism scopes are better than others with this issue.
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How is the eye box on this? one of the advantages of a simple micro red dot is no eye relief and eye box issues. Some prism scopes are better than others with this issue.
Not sure how to quantify it but it's not like a red dot but not like a higher powered ACOG either.

That said, these are sold out for a while so I'm not sure it matters for most folks until they get their next batch in.
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Not sure how to quantify it but it's not like a red dot but not like a higher powered ACOG either.
^ I think that is a good way to put it.

Eye relief on this thing is good all the way to the rear sight block. It is when i place it on the gas tube that is when i notice 'magnified shenanigans'/ drawbacks or what ever you want to call it. But it is still usable even on the gas tube, not perfect but usable.

When you use your red dot, have you ever told yourself "Damn i wish i had just a tiny bit more magnification"? You don't need it, but in the same time you wouldn't mind it...Think of this optic as of your micro red dot + tiny bit of magnification that will give you a tiny bit more confidence out to 300m. That is it.

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Old 06-20-2018, 11:37 AM   #19
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Is that where you've kept the optic mounted after some time with it? I just bought one and need to get an RS mount for it.
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Wow that mount fit is perfect.

Just by the hair of your chinny chin chin
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Is that where you've kept the optic mounted after some time with it? I just bought one and need to get an RS mount for it.
Get the full length.
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I am 67, wear bifocal eye glasses, and have astigmatism. I bought one for my AR from OP based on the YT reviews. I was hoping for a sharper image than I get with red dot sights. But, it hasn't worked out for me. I can see the chevron a little better than a red dot, but not by much. And I have to place my eye just right to accomplish that. Of course, YMMV especially if your eye sight is young and good. I am not complaining just stating my experience. I am off the range in a little while. Being retired ain't so bad.
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Get the full length.
I ordered the forward bias model before I saw this. We'll see how it goes.
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I've got the full length mount, but my ACOG is mounted rearward
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Then there are people that have some sort of vision problems. Those people struggle with red dots. One of the hypes about this TA44 is that it will eliminate blurriness. Okay, cool, but guess what else people with vision problems struggle with- seeing anything downrange. Will 1.5x magnification fix that?
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Speaking as a person with shitting eyes, and can't see a red dot correctly, its great on a CQB rifle.

I prefer the 3x scope ACOG on a distance rifle however... the extra magnification is good.
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looks nice,but if it has any magnification i would think you would want it closer to your eye?if i were going to war maybe id buy it but for 900$ you would think they would throw in the rs regulate mount.
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I have a ACOG TA33F on my Colt 6920 and think it's the "cats-meow". I have no doubt that TA44 would be the same category on my SAM7SF. Presently using a Vortex Viper PST but maybe one day will see about that little rascal. Just the reduced weight & clear glass plus having RS make a specific mount in my mind is a home run.
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I have a ACOG TA33F on my Colt 6920 and think it's the "cats-meow". I have no doubt that TA44 would be the same category on my SAM7SF. Presently using a Vortex Viper PST but maybe one day will see about that little rascal. Just the reduced weight & clear glass plus having RS make a specific mount in my mind is a home run.
Oh the TA33 is the cats ass on a SAM7SF. https://instagram.com/p/BcUcVCCj8e-/
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looks nice,but if it has any magnification i would think you would want it closer to your eye?if i were going to war maybe id buy it but for 900$ you would think they would throw in the rs regulate mount.
Been trying to get them to do just that for years - they donít have any interest
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Been trying to get them to do just that for years - they donít have any interest
its a good scope, and RS makes the best mount.it seems logical to offer a package...though ill be getting an RS mount for a Primary arms new 1x prism awesomeness coming soon ( i hope).
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