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Old 05-28-2018, 12:15 PM   #1
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Shooter from Baguetteland here, I can't find the information so I created this Topic.

Is it possible to import russian small arms or russian night visions into USA from Europe ? Is it allowed ?

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Some online sellers send parts and accessories through Ebay, but that can be risky.
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Hello,

Shooter from Baguetteland here, I can't find the information so I created this Topic.

Is it possible to import russian small arms or russian night visions into USA from Europe ? Is it allowed ?

Regards,
Its not that US Importers are avoiding the Russian guns and ammo that US shooters want, there are very strict US imposed controls on imports of Russian origin goods. It doesn't matter what place they are shipped from, it matters where they are made.

The Russian sanctions are another regulation keeping these goods from coming to the USA.
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I ask that because US citizen were potentially interested by some things I have ... But if I can export them, you tell me you can't import them.

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I ask that because US citizen were potentially interested by some things I have ... But if I can export them, you tell me you can't import them.

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What you are going to have to offer is not likely to be covered under the sanctions.


There are laws in place on what we can import from long before the current Russian sanctions.


In short, nobody knows if what you have can be imported or not until you list it.
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:21 PM   #6
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It's unlikely that the ATF would approve it, even if it met the "outside of Russia for x years" criteria.

Russian markings = very little chance of approval under current ATF leadership

The "rules" are highly flexible and subject to current anti-Russia political stances. The ATF has far reaching discretion in deciding what is or isn't approved for import.
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:17 PM   #7
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so, help me understand...are barrels from russia legal to import? also ive heard russia tries to stop exports , and ive heard US tries to stop imports? whats the full language on this?also we are friends with China ( look at walmart,etc..) and they have forced labor at some factories as well as currency manipulation and tech espionage ( news reports claim) but no firearms/ parts or ammo??
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Russia and the US have had import export treaties on certain firearms and parts for decades, add on the latest sanctions as well.

Barrels importable? If the barrel is from a machine gun it is not importable period, no matter where it is from. Is the barrel for a mosin nagant? If so it can probably be imported.
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China was a Clinton restriction, basically no firearm with a rifled barrel..just shotguns..

Russia has had the VRA in place with the USA for quite a long time.
If a firearm isn't on the VRA then it isn't importable to the USA.
The VRA is a Russian controlled document.

Now you have the Russian sanctions and OFAC (Office of Financial Asset Control) who monitors the money so no funds or compensation of any kind reach Russian financial institutions, no matter how convoluted the path.
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thank you sledge303, that makes sense...it is funny how we ( as a country) have become so dependant on china for goods ( everything from automotive to musical instruments) yet we cant even get there ammo? also canada can , and canada can get most norinco products.So could the clinton agreement with Russia be rolled back?
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I think you will be exposed to less financial risk with an approved FORM 6.

Good luck.





If you have a significant amount of financial capital potentially tied up with these products, it is best to contact an attorney who is experienced in this type of transaction with the federal authorities. Given the current political situation you will waste your time, if you fill out the papers.

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https://www.ammoland.com/2014/07/oba...#axzz5H1XfwITh

More companies have been added to the list.
This is a financial ban, not necessarily a pure "Russia" ban.
If it is a Russian made weapon piece, it is illegal to import into the USA.

The VRA [voluntary restraint agreement] banned most surplus weapons exported from Russia, both German [WWII] or Russian manufacturer.
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https://www.ammoland.com/2014/07/oba...#axzz5H1XfwITh

More companies have been added to the list.
This is a financial ban, not necessarily a pure "Russia" ban.
If it is a Russian made weapon piece, it is illegal to import into the USA.

The VRA [voluntary restraint agreement] banned most surplus weapons exported from Russia, both German [WWII] or Russian manufacturer.
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Yes many people overlook the Voluntary Restraint Act, entered into mutually between the Clinton Administration and Russia, in 2004, to limit the import of Russian arms into the U.S.

https://tcc.export.gov/Trade_Agreeme...exp_005371.asp

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AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON EXPORTS OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION FROM THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...

...The following definitions apply to this Agreement:

(a) "Ammunition" means any ammunition, cartridge case, primer, bullet, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.

(b) "Firearm" means any nonautomatic, semiautomatic, or automatic firearm, to caliber .50 (12.7 mm) inclusive other than a shotgun, or any component or part for such firearm.

(c) "New model ammunition" means a type of ammunition the manufacture of which began after February 9, 1996,

(d) "New model firearm" means a type of firearm the manufacture of which began after February 9, 1996.

Article 2: Firearms and Ammunition Export Prohibitions.

The Government of the Russian Federation shall not allow the exportation from the Russian Federation, destined to the United States, of the following firearms and ammunition:

(a) any firearm, including any new model firearm, except a firearm described in Annex A to this Agreement;

(b) ammunition described in Annex B to this Agreement; and

(c) new model ammunition.
Then there was Obama's EO in 2014 supposedly due to Russia's involvement in the Ukraine, but it had as much or more to do with the left's gon control agenda:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-201...2014-06141.pdf
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The china import ban, I believe is executive, so Trump could roll it back in an instant. Will not happen. Same with kits with barrels, 5.45 7N6 ammo, etc. Trump will not rock the boat on this stuff.
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Hello

Due to a new stupid French law, It's possible I have to destroy some russian guns.

Instead of destroying them, I could sell them to USA because others european countries may follow the same stupid low.

Maybe it will be more easy to sell them to a gunsmith instead of a regular citizen, right ?
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Cut receiver, sell as parts.
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You mean sell the parts in Europe or to USA ?

I would be very sad to cut the receiver of my Krinkov ...
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You mean sell the parts in Europe or to USA ?

I would be very sad to cut the receiver of my Krinkov ...
Those are always in demand, you could still recuperate a good bit of money.
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Vesper, what they are saying..in plain english,, you CANNOT sell the rifle you have posted to anyone in the United States. It is a criminal act for us to have you ship that weapon to our country. Hope that helps you
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Vesper, what they are saying..in plain english,, you CANNOT sell the rifle you have posted to anyone in the United States. It is a criminal act for us to have you ship that weapon to our country. Hope that helps you
This. Maybe get in touch with Bowman arms?
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Vesper, what they are saying..in plain english,, you CANNOT sell the rifle you have posted to anyone in the United States. It is a criminal act for us to have you ship that weapon to our country. Hope that helps you
This. Maybe get in touch with Bowman arms?
After import fees & other palm grease, the OP'd be paying Bowman ( Bowman'd have to cut it up upon import )


Better the OP just cut up the receiver and sell the unrestricted parts directly.
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