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Old 08-09-2018, 09:51 PM   #36
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I have one can of sardines in hot sauce.

They are from Tunisia.

I've been to Tunisia and you can't drink the water there.

You have be really careful what you eat there.
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So what are we having for dinner?
Tuna with dolphin, or tuna with poopies? Perhaps fake crab meat with a bit of mercury poisoning?
Chicken?
It's the other white meat right?
Food is poisonous to us that are humans.
Chicken been 'round fo a long time. I neva hear of chicken and fish fo the same meal.
Thinkin' you'ns got somefin backerds on dis deal.
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Simple solution here guys, this is one of the reasons we make our own beef jerky, it's not just for eating like you would normally do, in a SHTF sitch, it's the entire spice/salt basis for a small pot of soup.

Think about it, you have some stashed grains, rice or whatnot, some dried veggies etc., very bland by itself, but throw the salty/spicy meat in there and voila, you have tasty food again.

Pop that chicken pouch, throw it in a pot, add rice and veggies if ya got 'em, add water, heat, meal for two people so you only get half that sodium.
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Simple solution here guys, this is one of the reasons we make our own beef jerky, it's not just for eating like you would normally do, in a SHTF sitch, it's the entire spice/salt basis for a small pot of soup.

Think about it, you have some stashed grains, rice or whatnot, some dried veggies etc., very bland by itself, but throw the salty/spicy meat in there and voila, you have tasty food again.

Pop that chicken pouch, throw it in a pot, add rice and veggies if ya got 'em, add water, heat, meal for two people so you only get half that sodium.
Yep.

And dried beans and rice, being as cheap and easy to store for long periods as they are, should be high on everyone's list of stores.
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The pouches should work as long as this isn't in the area:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Trap
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Excess salt won't hurt you unless you do it for a long period of time with low water content in your body, shtf if you are working and sweating you are gonna need every bit of salt in that pouch.


The AHA guidelines are stupid for salt and don't tell the whole story.
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http://saltstick.com/2018/02/05/why-...salt-in-sweat/

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Sweat typically has about 1,000 mg sodium per liter, and during the course of exercise, if an athlete does not replace these lost salts, he or she will not be able to perform at an optimal level. In addition to the sweating process, salts (also known as electrolytes) are crucial to a variety of physiological systems, including neurological functioning, muscular contraction and blood pressure regulation. When the body runs out of sufficient electrolyte stores, at minimum, it is forced to slow down. Worse side effects include headaches, cramping or hyponatremia, a medical condition marked by low blood sodium levels that can lead to nausea, fatigue, vomiting, weakness, sleepiness, and in rare severe cases, even death.
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In the ancient world salt was worth its weight in gold. It seems they weren't very worried about what the AHA had to say.


The only problem with retort pouches is you have to protect them from getting a hole poked in them. I believe that is why the ones in MREs come packaged in a box even inside the outer pouch.
In 1864 the price for salt here in Wilmington NC rose to 65 dollars for one bushel.Every farmer along the waterway had salt works set up to evaporate the salt as there was an effective blockade along the coast and there were no other sources for salt available. They needed the salt to pack the pork and fish needed to feed the army as well as civilians. Salt production was so valuable to the war effort that the workers and the owners of the salt works were exempt from the draft. Even the slaves were exempt from being used for public works like road building and digging fortifications.
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Which, depending on circumstances, can be a plus.
Not if you've been diagnosed with hypertension.
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Yep.

And dried beans and rice, being as cheap and easy to store for long periods as they are, should be high on everyone's list of stores.
yep, 5 gallon food grade buckets of rice and beans. I also keep lots of those foil packets of powdered gravy mixes. The just add to water and boil for a minute stuff for flavor to add to rice and beans if I don't have a meat supply or simply forget to take something out of the freezer early enough. I wait until the mixes are on sale 4 for a buck and spend 10 bucks.
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Excess salt won't hurt you unless you do it for a long period of time with low water content in your body, shtf if you are working and sweating you are gonna need every bit of salt in that pouch.


The AHA guidelines are stupid for salt and don't tell the whole story.
Of course excess of anything is bad for you.

Those Hollywood actresses drink salt water as a laxative to stay thin and the salt that doesn't make it into the blood stays in digestive system attracting water and then more water is needed from some source.
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Not if you've been diagnosed with hypertension.
True that.

I did qualify my statement.

To quote myself from post #17 in this thread:

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True that.

I did qualify my statement.

To quote myself from post #17 in this thread:



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OTOH, I know a lady who used to crave salt so much she would literally pour it on her hand and lick it off, an ounce or whatever those old miniature Morton individual shakers held a day. She had chronically low blood pressure. Her Doc found out about her salt habit and made her stop. Within a year she had high blood pressure.


Hmmnnn, 47 posts and 2 pages, who knew a foil packet of salty chicken would have so much interest/controversy!
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Keep in mind that diane swinefine's husband own's Starkist.... before you buy this stuff.
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OTOH, I know a lady who used to crave salt so much she would literally pour it on her hand and lick it off, an ounce or whatever those old miniature Morton individual shakers held a day. She had chronically low blood pressure. Her Doc found out about her salt habit and made her stop. Within a year she had high blood pressure.


Hmmnnn, 47 posts and 2 pages, who knew a foil packet of salty chicken would have so much interest/controversy!
Yes, best to keep in mind with any of these dietary "recommendations" that every human's inner workings are unique in many ways. Lots of different metabolisms out there.
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He owns Dongwon Industries in South Korea?
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OTOH, I know a lady who used to crave salt so much she would literally pour it on her hand and lick it off, an ounce or whatever those old miniature Morton individual shakers held a day. She had chronically low blood pressure. Her Doc found out about her salt habit and made her stop. Within a year she had high blood pressure.


Hmmnnn, 47 posts and 2 pages, who knew a foil packet of salty chicken would have so much interest/controversy!
Cause instead of helpfull comments people say "unless you have hypertension"

When they could have said, "for those with some health issues then (whatever suitable substitute product or replacement) will be more beneficial for you.

Kinda helping out in the topic instead of downing everyone else is much more productive and interesting.

Productive conversation vs. destructive conversation. Yeah, that. Hey I'm guilty of the same thing from time to time.

So that leads me to this question.

For those that may have some heath issue that this wouldn't be a good food source, what is suitable in it's place? Or with those heath issues are you restricted to home preserved foods?

Really, I'm interested in learning new shit. Never know it may save my life someday. So lets expand on this and not just shut it down for whatever reasons. I promise that I'm not the only out here that wants to learn new stuff.
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I was hospitalized for hyponatremia (LOW blood salt). Did they give salt pills? No, they dehydrated me to bring up the sodium levels.


Per the doc, external (salt shaker, salt pills, salt in prepared foods) will actually DECREASE blood sodium levels when the body is out of whack. Salt makes the BP go up, increasing the amount of sodium excreted by the kidneys.


Once in sodium balance, salt pills can still cause low sodium, per the docs.
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What's the shelf life on these things? Will they keep like Spam for 100 years?
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It looks like Bumble Bee has their own Sweet Sue brand of chicken pouches.

http://www.bumblebee.com/products/ch...-breast-pouch/

I just saw the Starkist ones in the store last week.
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What's the shelf life on these things? Will they keep like Spam for 100 years?
The ones I saw in the store had about a year left on them, so the "official" lifespan would be a year or so. OTOH, as long as the pouch is not compromised it should be like MRE pouches, years and years as long as the temp is kept low. Even high temps are apparently not a problem with MREs at least. Many years ago I had a case of old 80s MREs that had been stored in a garage given to me. Usual temp swing would be 10-20 below in winter and high 90s in summer, probably 120 in a garage.

Still have a few left, every few years I try one. Not even a weird taste. I'm saving the "four fingers of death" for last. Or if I need a last ditch weapon...
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If they are cooked in the pouch, like canned food, they should last a long time.
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It looks like 3 years is the recommended shelf life.

http://starkist.com/faq

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What is the shelf-life of StarKist canned tuna and flavor fresh pouches?

All unopened StarKist products have a recommended shelf life of up to three years, provided the product has been stored under normal conditions and the can or pouch appears normal and is not damaged.

A "Best By" date is printed on all StarKist Tuna products for your convenience.
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Q: How is pouch tuna different from canned tuna? Is the shelf life different?

A: Canned and pouch tuna are processed in similar ways. The tuna are frozen while on the fishing vessel. As
soon as the boat is docked, the frozen fish are unloaded, thawed, inspected and cleaned. After they pass
inspection, they are precooked, cooled, hand cleaned and re-inspected. Each fish is then cut into tenderloins
and then fillets, placed on conveyers and sent to the filling machines and choppers. The fish moves down
the line, is added to cans and depending on the style, water, broth, oil and flavorings may be added. The
filled cans are then vacuum sealed and cooked to sterilize the product. This process is very much the same as
canning fruit or vegetables.

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Commercially canned and pouched food may be safely stored for several years as long as the container is not bulged, damaged or leaking in any manner. A concern with prolonged periods of storage is that the product begins to lose some if its palatability. We recommend that stocks of canned or pouched goods be rotated in your normal food supply so that none is stored much longer than a year prior to consumption.
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It looks like 3 years is the recommended shelf life.

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All unopened StarKist products have a recommended shelf life of up to three years, provided the product has been stored under normal conditions and the can or pouch appears normal and is not damaged.

A "Best By" date is printed on all StarKist Tuna products for your convenience.
Key word: "recommended"

No manufacturer is gonna tell you they last for 20 or 30 years ( they want you to buy them regularly )


Since there are no cans involved here, a rust-through sitch isn't in the cards, so if kept out of sunlight the shelf life should be considerable . . .
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Key word: "recommended"

No manufacturer is gonna tell you they last for 20 or 30 years ( they want you to buy them regularly )


Since there are no cans involved here, a rust-through sitch isn't in the cards, so if kept out of sunlight the shelf life should be considerable . . .
Yeah, I know.

Cans keep pretty much forever.
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I ate a pouch yesterday to try, it was ok, but only like 4 bites worth in the package
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be careful about the chicken you buy for consumption, chicken feed is chock full of arsenic.
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be careful about the chicken you buy for consumption, chicken feed is chock full of arsenic.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/h...e-and-chicken/

Light chunk tuna has less mercury than Albacore.
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