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Old 06-01-2018, 07:35 AM   #36
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receivers for non existent kits. :-)
Just like the 9mm AK kits with no available receivers...such a shame.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:48 AM   #37
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Just got confirmation from someone who was dealing with these that they were patterned after the 308 NDM-86

not heat treated.

Doesn't look like they are really worth anything, even to those like myself who have SVD parts kits.
Would you please ask your friend if they might know or can find out what material these are made from?

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Old 06-02-2018, 03:44 PM   #38
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come on guys , you know how this works, in 3 years someone will post an ad starting with

" found in the back of the warehouse " , this small lot of rare SVD parts kits $ 2499 ...how are you in the firearms business and you don't know whats in the warehouse, yeah right

its called trickle out the inventory to keep demand high
It can happen, we were still finding old stuff in my warehouse, over 100,000 sq ft, until about 2006, when we went through the old place, and inventoried everything, and I mean everything, old cars, parts, old product. Some made 30 years ago. Then I took flor. Orange paint car and marked everything to shred. Now we know what is there. In the old days a warehouse guy would stick something in a corner, and then put stuff in front of it, then retire, quit etc. prettysoon nobody knew what was there. Computers changed everything.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:28 PM   #39
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The last time I purchased something like this from Centerfire it was a ORF manufactured Galil receiver marked "Galil Sporter" (later sold under the Golani name). Improperly heat treated and needed some other tweeking. Unless you have the mad skills of Rforbus I'd take a pass and just buck up for the real deal. If it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:40 AM   #40
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Just like the 9mm AK kits with no available receivers...such a shame.
I always and still would like a pistol caliber parts kit to build., with 16 inch barrel that looks similar to an AK74 pattern rifle. Primarily in 9mm or even 7.62x25 etc.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:29 PM   #41
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Even if these receivers are a mile off, I am sure I can figure out how to make a 9mm blow back or 22lr out of it. I think they may be useful, and an SVD in .260 rem might be cool.

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I would dig one in 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Got mine in today. Mine is serial number 7 and it is heat treated. If anyone has info or parts they would like to sell let me know!
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:07 AM   #44
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Just curious, but how do you know its heat treated?

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Old 06-07-2018, 04:01 PM   #45
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Just curious, but how do you know its heat treated?

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I just picked mine up, and its NOT heat treated. It also has burs all over it! Definitely a project, but usable if you can figure out what its made of.
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Just curious, but how do you know its heat treated?

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Mine does not look like the one in the picture. Nothing scientific but It has the bronze-purple color of heat treated steel, and a dull file skates over it while digging in a piece of un-heat treated 4130. I'm guessing it's probably in the 35-40 rockwell range.

It looks like maybe everything with a serial number 7 and under has been heat treated. While #8 looks white.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:33 PM   #47
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Mine does not look like the one in the picture. Nothing scientific but It has the bronze-purple color of heat treated steel, and a dull file skates over it while digging in a piece of un-heat treated 4130. I'm guessing it's probably in the 35-40 rockwell range.

It looks like maybe everything with a serial number 7 and under has been heat treated. While #8 looks white.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:14 AM   #48
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Lots of AK's are made here too. But many not worth owning. Just sayin'.
Waffen Werks went under in quality and business., so anything they made is hit or miss.
^sad but true, i'm fortunate enough to own a good ww74.
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I've got sn 25. Anyone else with a higher one?
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Bummer I missed this. If anyone has one they'd like to part with let me know. I'd be happy to buy it.
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Old 06-23-2018, 06:40 PM   #51
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I received s.n. 00031 , in the white.
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I just picked mine up, and its NOT heat treated. It also has burs all over it! Definitely a project, but usable if you can figure out what its made of.
Well, you could do what "some" of us do in a mystery case "hey, let's harden it like A2 and see what we get".

Which for oil-quench or water-quench steels is not more than an anneal or high temperature stress-relief.

It's probably safe to estimate the material to be 30- 50-point carbon steel and harden and temper accordingly. Nothing wrong with a second temper - happens more than we wish even when we KNOW the steel properties.
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So where are the kits coming from?
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Old 06-29-2018, 02:44 PM   #54
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Trigger group, recoil rod and spring, gas port, flash hider, furniture and dust cover are fairly easy to find.
Bolt and bolt carrier...extremely hard but possible.
Barrel would be impossible to find original. So along with those receivers they better start making barrels too here in the US and it better have correct length/twist rate ratio otherwise it'll be one crappy shooter.
Unless somebody's sitting on a stash of military SVD kits that will soon be out there for sale I don't see much sense in those receivers
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Old 06-29-2018, 02:57 PM   #55
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If someone bought an extra, and will part with it for a reasonable amount of money, I have access to a scanner that can tell what alloy they are.
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On another forum
Deact Svd available as of Nov. 2016 $1550. USD
Receiver cut
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:22 AM   #57
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If they got into the thirties in serial numbers, this wasn't a set up or test run, it was a production run. I would assume then that they should be close dimensionaly as long as they didn't f anything up. Proper heat treat now now becomes the issue.

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They went at least into the 60’s with serial numbers. Do not know how many were made.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:25 PM   #59
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did they import original T2 or T3 military AKMs 14 years ago or ever?
There are however real miliatry SVDs and civilian versions Tigers out there.
So it's totally different thing
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I bought several type 2 parts kits for $200 almost 14 years ago. No receivers were available then.
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If someone bought an extra, and will part with it for a reasonable amount of money, I have access to a scanner that can tell what alloy they are.
Mace, what is this scanner? Would like to know more about it so maybe I can locate one near me.

If we figure out what these are made of and how they should be hardened, I know of a heat treat facility with an FFL that could heat treat them.


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I don’t recall the name. I work in a machine shop, and we have one for positively identifying materials. I can tell you that it uses x-rays and its like $15k or so. Not something you’re going to find at Lowe’s for sure. If I can remember when I’m at work tomorrow I’ll take a look at it.

Unfortunately I got interrupted when I was trying to order one of those, so I missed the boat. Otherwise I would’ve already figured out what alloy the are and passed it on. I might’ve even been able to get a Rockwell C on them.

ETA: a member here offered to sell me one. If I can get it worked out with him, I’ll check this thing out when I get it and pass on what I find.

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I doubt they got fancy with the steel.

It is likely plain 4140 steel or it is pre-hardened 4140 with a bit of extra sulfur in it to help machining.

The pre-hardened stuff isn't super hard and not really hard enough for that type of receiver, but it can keep machining consistent, compared to soft steel, which it may be.
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We could have a spectrographic element analysis done with a spectrometer or maybe have metallographic research done with a metallographic microscope.
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A big recycler should have a hand held material scanner.
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I doubt they got fancy with the steel.

It is likely plain 4140 steel or it is pre-hardened 4140 with a bit of extra sulfur in it to help machining.

The pre-hardened stuff isn't super hard and not really hard enough for that type of receiver, but it can keep machining consistent, compared to soft steel, which it may be.
They could have also used a 6000 series or 8620 like M-14 is made from. Do you have any info on the SVD's heat treat specs? I would assume its in the 40's and at least .010" -.020" deep.

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I don’t recall the name. I work in a machine shop, and we have one for positively identifying materials. I can tell you that it uses x-rays and its like $15k or so. Not something you’re going to find at Lowe’s for sure. If I can remember when I’m at work tomorrow I’ll take a look at it.
Thanks, there are plenty of machine shops around that I might be able to track a tester down.

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i bet they are 4140.
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Anyone find out what they are made of?
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Not yet. I am in the middle of moving and haven't had time. I did call around two a few scrap yards and one has a scanner but its hour away. Maybe when I find some time.

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I should have something in the next few days......
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OK, so the receiver is 4140, so nothing crazy. So if they end up needing to be heat treated, then it's not going to be anything complicated.

Now on that note, we'll have to see about what their hardness is AND compare it to something similar. It is quite possible that they might not need to be a hardened part. Bolts typically are, but receivers that's not always the case. I suspect if we could get a hardness on a Yugo M76 receiver or a PSL front trunnion that would give us something similar to compare it to.
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