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Old 03-24-2018, 09:25 AM   #1
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Default Shockwave Blade Modifications?

Is it illegal to remove the sling loop from the top of the Shockwave Blade brace?

Mine keeps pushing my ear pro off of my ears.

I am assuming legal, but the ATF is weird.

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I would not touch anything on it. The ATF has said a lot of things, including that the braces and blades are SUPPOSED to be uncomfortable when cheeked precisely because the are not designed as a buttstock. Same w that most unhelpful short length of pull.

In the ATF's eyes these are critical features to proving it is NOT a stock, and proof that the device was created for a different purpose. Also I would add Velcro to the shockwave blade system. It is explained in a thread from maybe a year ago. Good luck
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You could always try a Thordson.
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Just Food for Thought....... Pool Floats are sold all over some with different internal size holes thru the middle, as well as external overall size. I have thought about getting one with the diameter of an AR Pistol extension and cutting a length just the length of the extension to cover the tube and then take duct or Gorilla Tape and wrap it all - for a better cheek weld. I am not asking if I can do this, etc., legal or other wise - just putting that out there. Have thought about something similar with a Blade type Pistol stock, although I am sure there are risers made that would also fit or fit close enough to tape on with self sealing strong radiator/ belt repair tape commonly sold (doesn't leave a residue when removed).

I did look at the Thordsen site and they have some cool products.
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If you modify a brace at all, including removing the strap, you have manufactured an illegal SBR according to the atf.

Food for thought. They specifically pointed out removing the strap as a violation....

Don't do it...
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Just Food for Thought....... Pool Floats are sold all over some with different internal size holes thru the middle, as well as external overall size. I have thought about getting one with the diameter of an AR Pistol extension and cutting a length just the length of the extension to cover the tube and then take duct or Gorilla Tape and wrap it all - for a better cheek weld. I am not asking if I can do this, etc., legal or other wise - just putting that out there. Have thought about something similar with a Blade type Pistol stock, although I am sure there are risers made that would also fit or fit close enough to tape on with self sealing strong radiator/ belt repair tape commonly sold (doesn't leave a residue when removed).

I did look at the Thordsen site and they have some cool products.
You can use the KAK super tube on the Thordson for the "wink, wink" longer cheek weld...LOL
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If you modify a brace at all, including removing the strap, you have manufactured an illegal SBR according to the atf.

Food for thought. They specifically pointed out removing the strap as a violation....

Don't do it...
Yup, do not modify at all
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If you modify a brace at all, including removing the strap, you have manufactured an illegal SBR according to the atf.

Food for thought. They specifically pointed out removing the strap as a violation....

Don't do it...
And what about those that have no strap? Shockwave, GHW? Would placing a velcro strap on a shockwave be considered altering the original design?
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And what about those that have no strap? Shockwave, GHW? Would placing a velcro strap on a shockwave be considered altering the original design?
"Do not modify" is what they said.

The rest is up to you to interpret, my friend.
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Well - I do own an AR Pistol, with only a tube extension for the recoil spring etc., and do not even own a Shock Wave. Would not be adverse to owning one and they seem to be vary popular at PSA site because they sell out so quickly attached to pistol lowers.
One indeed has to interpret ones circumstances - if one lives in a rural area and not running with snitches, then .....who knows? Period.

I was reading a similar thread in which the various contributors were discussing if a Blade type Pistol could be shouldered at all. I mentioned in that thread about video and Firearms Publications I have viewed where they stated "occasional shouldering" of the Brace equipped is not forbidden., and referencing ATF letters on the subject.

As it appears that we are about to enter a New Age of Regulation, brought to us all by Marxist Progressive Socialists and Craven Politicians who have caved to them, then no telling what the future holds in strange regulations and so forth.

Eventually one will need a guide to lawful handling of the Wide Range of Still Legal Firearms, to accompany one by Law or Edict with one's Cell Phone (Er Military designed tracking device) and holographic Firearms Lawyer.
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Off topic slightly, but this bumpstock horseshit makes me think that braces will be next. I already have a few and really don't want to take a frickn bath when they eventually get around to taking those away. Say after the next fracked up twat decides to shoot us a school and smuggles in an AR pistol w brace on it.

Having said that I really want tha Tailhook Mod 2 and the SB Tactical adjustable "PDW" brace.
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If you modify a brace at all, including removing the strap, you have manufactured an illegal SBR according to the atf.

Food for thought. They specifically pointed out removing the strap as a violation....

Don't do it...
I own 2 shockwave blades.

Neither came with a strap.

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Off topic slightly, but this bumpstock horseshit makes me think that braces will be next. I already have a few and really don't want to take a frickn bath when they eventually get around to taking those away. Say after the next fracked up twat decides to shoot us a school and smuggles in an AR pistol w brace on it.

Having said that I really want tha Tailhook Mod 2 and the SB Tactical adjustable "PDW" brace.
Yeah if someone did that is absolutely what would happen. 95% (i'm guessing, but probably pretty close) had never even heard of a bumpstock until Vegas, then everyone was a expert on why they should be banned. So something that was used in .000001% of crimes and killed .0001% of people that were victims of gun violence in 2017 was suddenly the most important thing to ban. Yes that is the stupidity we are up against.
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I own 2 shockwave blades.

Neither came with a strap.

True story.
The very early ones came with the Velcro. None of them come with it now.
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I own 2 shockwave blades.

Neither came with a strap.

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none of mine came with a strap either...imagine that.
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Yup, do not modify at all
Don't modify.

Don't use red loctite.

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Thank you!

Might be time to set up a trust.
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Might be time to set up a trust.
But, SBRs are irrelevant:

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Off topic slightly, but this bumpstock horseshit makes me think that braces will be next. I already have a few and really don't want to take a frickn bath when they eventually get around to taking those away. Say after the next fracked up twat decides to shoot us a school and smuggles in an AR pistol w brace on it.

Having said that I really want tha Tailhook Mod 2 and the SB Tactical adjustable "PDW" brace.
The next shooting won't need to be done with an AR or AK pistol, because the last one wasn't done with a bumpstock and yeah that didn't matter. The fact is that anything they want they can probably get because we have spinless politicians and they have the money and the media. They will just continue to find the next thing they want to ban and next thing we know we will have to use 15lb 22lr single shots with 30" barrels because we wouldn't want them to be too powerful, too easy to handle, or too concealable.
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none of mine came with a strap either...imagine that.

This was actually discussed in a previous thread. Someone knew quite a bit about it. But as I recall, Shockwave's initial ATF approval letter was for its Blade WITH a Velcro strap attached.

It's not clear why, but apparently Shockwave decided it would sell a lot better without the strap(?) and unilaterally took it off, or rather stopped including them on the Shockwave.

You'll recall that Shockwave also was behind the push to promote the ATF re-interpretation of the SB Tactical brace letter as applying to ALL braces. Technically it does not just based on what is in the letter. However, Shockwave has said that it talked to the ATF and were advised that it is meant to apply to all braces. Nothing in writing of course. Just Shockwave's word.

We tend to lump all these braces together, but for maximum "protection" you really want a brace that the ATF has specifically approved. In the exact configuration for which it was approved. Not a one-off, and not someone else's brace unless they have their own letter.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, or rather have multiple dogs, as I own Shockwave and SB Tactical braces.

But the info provided in the previous thread I mentioned sounded very credible to me and I have been meaning to circle back and add some stupid velcro. I shoot almost exclusively behind ememy lines at public ranges with extensive and continuous surveillance so I am assuming there is video proof of whatever happens there.

As with all choices to comply with the law (or refuses to do) everyone makes their own choices and I 100% get why these ridiculous hoops infuriate so many. But I can't afford to be on the wrong side of that and for now I don't want to put myself on another govt list by registering an SBR.
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OP do you own a bumpstock?
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Soooo, if my friend decided to take a dremel to the blade and add a CAA cheek saddle to add battery storage for his red dot, that wouldn't be kosher?

I'll have to let him know....
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Soooo, if my friend decided to take a dremel to the blade and add a CAA cheek saddle to add battery storage for his red dot, that wouldn't be kosher?

I'll have to let him know....
Nope, no go. It sucks and is a crazy state of the law, but that's what it is. And I strongly suspect the ATF will be reigning this area in as soon as dems get it again.
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Nope, no go. It sucks and is a crazy state of the law, but that's what it is. And I strongly suspect the ATF will be reigning this area in as soon as Trump can blame the Obama administration for allowing illegal SBRs on the street.
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Nope, no go. It sucks and is a crazy state of the law, but that's what it is. And I strongly suspect the ATF will be reigning this area in as soon as dems get it again.
Well crap, I guess after ruining his shockwave blade, it's a good excuse to get one of those fancy SB PDW braces...
Thanks for the heads up, my friend appreciates it.
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Way Back, in the 1994, Talk and Passage of the First AWB under Bill Clinton, i encountered men who told me they were stashing AR's in underground storage sites. That was 1994 / 1995 time period. If you haven't taken the time to determine places to hibernate certain items, stocks, parts, etc or create stash points - all in numerous remote secure undisclosed locations - then near term would be a good time to consider.

And spread the word around - so that others can contemplate the same. The Kings Men are getting warmed up, and their Progressive Marxist Overseers want so to unleash them................
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Can you make your own brace or do you have to use a known manufacturer?
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Can you make your own brace or do you have to use a known manufacturer?
You would be smart to obtain an ATF letter of approval before installing a home brew.

But I'm not an expert nor do I play one on tv.
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Nope, no go. It sucks and is a crazy state of the law, but that's what it is. And I strongly suspect the ATF will be reigning this area in as soon as dems get it again.
You dont know what the fuck your talking about. Your just giving opinions. All this stuff was approved with the dems in office. Wake the fuck up, the GOP is just as bad if not worse than the dems.

OP the CAA cheek stock /AR pistol combo has already been approved. The approval letter is on AR15.com

All you or friend has to do is follow the same protocol by submitting your/his combo to the ATF for approval. Once you get it, post the letter for the rest of us.

Dont listen to these fucksticks who do nothing but give out useless opinions, and are too chickenshit to submit the forms to the ATF.
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You dont know what the fuck your talking about. Your just giving opinions. All this stuff was approved with the dems in office. Wake the fuck up, the GOP is just as bad if not worse than the dems.

OP the CAA cheek stock /AR pistol combo has already been approved. The approval letter is on AR15.com

All you or friend has to do is follow the same protocol by submitting your/his combo to the ATF for approval. Once you get it, post the letter for the rest of us.

Dont listen to these fucksticks who do nothing but give out useless opinions, and are too chickenshit to submit the forms to the ATF.
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Soooo, if my friend decided to take a dremel to the blade and add a CAA cheek saddle to add battery storage for his red dot, that wouldn't be kosher?

I'll have to let him know....
Does your friend think the atf is to stupid to think a check rest is the only place to keep spare batteries ???

I'd not mess with the approved design.

Them things were $19 on Wish a few days ago.
I think there fugely.
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