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Old 02-08-2018, 02:19 PM   #1
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Default Help/advice picking out an AR10

I've owned many firearms but never ventured into the AR world. I lived in yankee hell and with the 100 yard ranges just shot my sks's and m1a with open sights (mostly).

I guess my question is should I just pick up a PSA PA 10 for $699 or look used for something like a s&w mp-10? I mention the smith because one is up for trade locally and I have a couple guns that I'm willing to part with.

I really don't want to reach into my wallet right now and want to just buy once rather than flip/upgrade. More variables to consider, do I want to turn it into a dmr (which I'll probably hardly shoot) or just throw a 3x prism scope on it or a hunting 3-9, both of which I already own.
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Old 02-08-2018, 02:46 PM   #2
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Duh PSA ftw..
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:25 PM   #3
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Today on the PSA daily deals you can get a PA10 Gen 2 MOE complete lower for $180 and an 18” stainless upper with bolt carrier group for $400. That’s $580 plus shipping and transfer. Hard to pass that up.....
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:15 AM   #4
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+1 on the PA-10 if you don't want to spend a lot. I bought one and it was really nice. I did upgrade the barrel, the bolt and trigger, but not because they were bad (actually the trigger was), I just like wasting money

Before the upgrades, my PA-10 shot about 1.5-1.75" groups with PSA's stainless barrel, stock trigger and SMK 168's. Not awesome but not horrible either. I am not a great shooter, so others may have been able to do better with that rifle. For hunting, it would be more than good enough. As a DMR it would work fine as well.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:38 AM   #5
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Psa ftw, liked my 18" ss so much i bought a 20" the day after testing it out with a few hundred rounds. Still need a scope for the 20" but plan to just use open sights on the 18", get a bunch of surplus ammo to. The malaysian x51 is good stuff! Ar10 is the real mans AR, makes a .223 feel like a pellet gun.
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:18 PM   #6
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I would get a Larue kit rifle but if PSA is what you can afford why not? The price is certainly right.
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Old 02-09-2018, 08:33 PM   #7
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For the money, quality and features. I think Windhams Midwest free float model is hard to beat. Also comes in at 7.6 lbs
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Old 02-09-2018, 08:51 PM   #8
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For the money, quality and features. I think Windhams Midwest free float model is hard to beat. Also comes in at 7.6 lbs
Hmmm, must be one of those anorexic .308's. Go eat yourself a few hundred rounds of 175's, sugar!
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:02 PM   #9
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I like to keep things simple. This is how I would go about deciding if I was in your position OP. Decide what your budget is first and what you want out of the rifle.

Have $600, get a PSA-10.

Have $800-1000, build a Aero Precision M5E1.

Have $1500, get a LaRue Tactical 7.62 UU kit.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:05 PM   #10
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You can also get a dpms Oracle for $689 right now. And for $300 more put you a nice free float rail, gas block, and Magpul stock.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:36 AM   #11
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The Palmetto Stare Armory PA10 Gen 2 is more then sufficient to make you happy

Once you see what a $600-$700 AR308 can do....You will probably laugh at spending
$800-$1200 for an AK in 7.62x39 in this whacked new market

Get a nicely decked out one, and you wont see much of a reason to spend double or triple.
Accuracy improvements are marginal over its capacity, and more for competitor concerns

Here is a range report

Fwiw I have both a PA10 Gen2 for $700 and I built an Aero M5E1 for $1400 in 6.5CM
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:26 PM   #12
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From the accuracy results that I'm seeing lots of dudes are getting with the PA10 and the apparent overgassing most of them suffer from, IMO an M5E1 build is the better way to go.
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:09 AM   #13
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I like to keep things simple. This is how I would go about deciding if I was in your position OP. Decide what your budget is first and what you want out of the rifle.

Have $600, get a PSA-10.

Have $800-1000, build a Aero Precision M5E1.

Have $1500, get a LaRue Tactical 7.62 UU kit.
S&W must have just came out with the M&P 10 sport I was seeing them last week from $775-$850. Now everyone that had them for a good price is sold out and the cheapest is $900. Have to watch the price on that one if it stays around $800 maybe it should have a place in that mix.
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This one here was on sale until 12pm today for $459 https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446798.html
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^ That link shows this rifle for $699.......was THIS EXACT configured one only $459 ???

If so.....FML, I would have bought another for my wife to use

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Old 02-12-2018, 09:15 PM   #16
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No it was always 699. I have yesterday's PSA email in my inbox with it listed.
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^ That link shows this rifle for $699.......was THIS EXACT configured one only $459 ???

If so.....FML, I would have bought another for my wife to use

Lemme go dig into yesterday's email.

Well shut my mouth and fill it full of fried corn! My bad........... I was wrong.

sorry..................
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:10 PM   #18
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I own both the PSA and the S&W. I would go for the S&W provided it checks out. It is a great gun especially for the relatively light weight. It also has a longer track record.

My PSA (14.5" and 18" barrels) has run fine after an initial hiccup where it jammed on the very first round. Both are accurate, but my M&P gets the nod there, at least in my hands.

There are some good reviews on you tube for the M&P 10 and one in particular Regular Guy where he does 1,000 Rds of steel cased. Not too many hard use reviews of AR-10s out there so it's helpful to have.

And as much as I hate his droning, you tube NutnFancy has a good review of the S&W and overall he has remained impressed. If nothing else, the man does have a lot of guns pass through his hands.
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Old 02-13-2018, 02:56 PM   #19
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The PSA PA-10 with the 6 position tube does that have a standard AR-15 spring and H Buffer? Maybe an H3 buffer would help out if it's over gassed?
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I know that you're not asking about it, but I'm waiting for the Tavor SAR 7 to be released this year. I already have a Bushmaster AR 10 and want a different platform in 7.62 that also uses Pmags.
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I know that you're not asking about it, but I'm waiting for the Tavor SAR 7 to be released this year. I already have a Bushmaster AR 10 and want a different platform in 7.62 that also uses Pmags.
You checked out the Galil Ace .308? Looks promising.
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:51 AM   #22
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Very pleased with my M&P 10 (18 in barrel).

My buddy and I took that and his LWRC .308 piston gun to the range. Both of us got tighter groups on my M&P with 3 different types of ammo. Prvi partisan ball, Aussie surplus F4 ball, and ADI 168 grn hunting ammo (which is what I have gun zeroed for). And I have a 3.5 ACOG on mine and he had 4x14 Leupold his.

To be fair, he did have to send his back for work because it was a jam-o-matic. This was post repair, and it ran fine, but maybe that had something to do with it? He wasn’t too forthcoming about the details, pretty defensive about the whole thing, actually.

Sample sizes of one, and all that, but it was anecdotal evidence enough for me that DI wins in the accuracy department.
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After my personal experience with PSA’s .223 SS barrel (FUBAR chamber) and this youtubers experience I’m a little hesitant on any in house PSA barrels.

Only FN CHF for me, didn’t the Gen 1s have CHF barrels?

https://youtu.be/HhyNVdRB-lI [on my phone sry]

Plus this was after sending the previous upper back for a bad barrel which was replaced with a new barrel...
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My PSA 20" rifle is heavy. What ever you chose try to keep the weight down, even if you have to pay more.
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My PSA 20" rifle is heavy. What ever you chose try to keep the weight down, even if you have to pay more.
Could not agree more.

Three AR-10 builds in now, I am definitely not a fan of overly heavy rifles or rifles heavier than they need to be.

A base rifle that's already over 9lbs will easily top the scales at 11, 12, or more once you start adding loaded mags, scopes, slings, sights, etc.

That shit gets old really fast the more you tend to use your rifle. Perfectly fine for the bench maybe, but not much else IMO.

FYI, fluted barrels are a godsend for reducing weight and improving weapon balance with large framed AR's.


Not sure what your budget is, but you can do some pretty amazing things with an M5E1 builder's set these days. I am absolutely loving my 3rd 308 build, extremely balanced in all aspects...weight, handling, accuracy, reliability, and looks f-in awesome IMO.

As with anything else in the AR world, the best AR's are always the one's you build. Completely subjective I know, but I'm sticking to it.

If you're stuck between the PSA and the M&P10, my vote goes to the M&P. If you're not stuck or don't mind a relatively minor amount of DIY, don't forget to look into the Aero M5 OEM rifles as an alternative.

Another great choice would be the Stag 308/Ar-10's and the Savage MSR-10's as well.


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Could not agree more.

Three AR-10 builds in now, I am definitely not a fan of overly heavy rifles or rifles heavier than they need to be.

A base rifle that's already over 9lbs will easily top the scales at 11, 12, or more once you start adding loaded mags, scopes, slings, sights, etc.

That shit gets old really fast the more you tend to use your rifle. Perfectly fine for the bench maybe, but not much else IMO.

FYI, fluted barrels are a godsend for reducing weight and improving weapon balance with large framed AR's.


Not sure what your budget is, but you can do some pretty amazing things with an M5E1 builder's set these days. I am absolutely loving my 3rd 308 build, extremely balanced in all aspects...weight, handling, accuracy, reliability, and looks f-in awesome IMO.

As with anything else in the AR world, the best AR's are always the one's you build. Completely subjective I know, but I'm sticking to it.

If you're stuck between the PSA and the M&P10, my vote goes to the M&P. If you're not stuck or don't mind a relatively minor amount of DIY, don't forget to look into the Aero M5 OEM rifles as an alternative.

Another great choice would be the Stag 308/Ar-10's and the Savage MSR-10's as well.

Weight can be a positive or a negative it just depends on what you're doing with the gun. I built my 308 to be a light fast handling rifle capable of 1/2moa and with the Christensen Arms carbon fiber wrapped barrel on it it's both. For a long range rig I like some weight and the 6.5cm on the otherhand I intentionally built heavy. I wanted it to soak up recoil in the prone to eliminate the need for a spotter and increase the speed of follow up shots and it's pretty fast back on target after recoil. At 1,400 yards I can get 3 rounds in the air before the first one arrives.
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