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Old 07-10-2018, 04:34 PM   #1
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Default Roza Vetrov SS & titanium mess kits? UPDATE@26!!

In my almost quixotic quest for steel mess kits I found a Russian company that I wanted y'alls opinion on. I have never heard of them before but if they ship to the US, I may have, at long last, found a decent nesting steel camping/mess kit. What say you folks: safe to order from them? Avoid them?

Link to page I found: https://www.roza-vetrov-eng.com/cata...cnic/#catTitle

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Kinda pricey, ain't they?
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Kinda pricey, ain't they?
You're not wrong.. but steel or titanium mess kits that resemble the "German standard" are hell to find and even then these only kinda resemble them. I tried looking for the steel Swedish mess kits and they are either stupid rare rare or too expensive.
At least the titanium ones promise to be lighter and I've grown very fond of kits that I can hang over a fire. Like I said, this is a somewhat quixotic quest of mine. I loathe aluminum cookware, so I have to hunt for alternatives.
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You're not wrong.. but steel or titanium mess kits that resemble the "German standard" are hell to find and even then these only kinda resemble them. I tried looking for the steel Swedish mess kits and they are either stupid rare rare or too expensive.
At least the titanium ones promise to be lighter and I've grown very fond of kits that I can hang over a fire. Like I said, this is a somewhat quixotic quest of mine. I loathe aluminum cookware, so I have to hunt for alternatives.
Why donít you like aluminum cookware ?
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Why don’t you like aluminum cookware ?
More than a few reasons but I'll try not to nerd out too much:

Aluminum tends to leach into food, with acidic foods leaching aluminum the most. I happen to like tomatoes and other acidic foods. While I won't be eating out of aluminum for years on end I'd rather avoid it. When larger amounts of aluminum are found in the brains of Alzheimer patients, I get the idea that aluminum is something I'd rather not have in my food. I don't buy or use aluminum cookware if I can avoid it.

EDIT: it is still being debated ,though, IF using aluminum cookware is the cause of the AL buildup or if the aluminum in the brain tissue is from a faulty metabolic/etc body system and the cookware has no effect. SUffice it to say the rest below still applies.

Aluminum cookware, Hard anodized or not, doesn't hold up to wear, tear and abuse as well as stainless steel does. Either camping or SHTF, I trust steel to hold its own. Its true it doesn't spread heat as well as aluminum and steel is heavier than titanium but is a good compromise on weight, durability and cost.

If money where no issue, titanium's only downside is that it can easily have hot spots. Of the three metals titanium is the lightest and the least reactive.it lasts and lasts and campfires don't hurt it a bit. But its expensive and I am not rich.
As for the shape& form: I love the German m31 mess kit. The east German version I have is great for everything except that its aluminum and has stained with cooking use . This means it is leaching into my food. If the Germans made a steel version of the M31 mess kit I'd buy it and be done. But no M31 mess kits where ever made in steel and even if a few where, they are too rare to be worth mentioning. The closest thing to a steel M31 mess kit was the Swedish Trangia mess kits and they are very rare these days. Those Swedish kits lack the inner little pot the German kits had.The trangia burners are loved but.. its not the same. So far, China has never made any steel M31's either.

So after all that I keep looking and hoping. I found the store in the first post and wanted to see if anyone else had found the kits worthwhile.

EDIT: I at no time claim to be an expert but I have tried my best to explain my reasoning. If I am wrong, then I am wrong but this is as best as I have it now.

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More than a few reasons but I'll try not to nerd out too much:

Aluminum tends to leach into food, with acidic foods leaching aluminum the most. I happen to like tomatoes and other acidic foods. While I won't be eating out of aluminum for years on end I'd rather avoid it. When larger amounts of aluminum are found in the brains of Alzheimer patients , I'd rather not have any in my food.

Aluminum cookware, Hard anodized or not, doesn't hold up to wear, tear and abuse as well as stainless steel does. Either camping or SHTF, I trust steel to hold its own. Its true it doesn't spread heat as well as aluminum and steel is heavier than titanium but is a good compromise.
If money where no issue, titanium's only downside is that it can easily have hot spots. Of the three metals titanium is the lightest and the least reactive.it lasts and lasts and campfires don't hurt it a bit. But its expensive and I am not rich. As for the shape& form: I love the German m31 mess kit. The east german version I have is great for everything expect that the aluminum they used stains. this means it is leaching into my food. If the Germans made a steel version of the M31 mess kit I'd buy it and be done. But no M31 mess kits where ever made in steel (even if a few where, they are too rare to be worth mentioning). The closest thing to a steel M31 mess kit was the Swedish Trangia mess kits and they are very rare these days. Those swedish kits lack the inner little pot the German kits had. So far, China has never made any steel M31's either.

So after all that I keep looking and hoping. I found the store in the first post and wanted to see if anyone else had found the kits worthwhile.
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Well... this may be rather shitty. No matter what browser I try, I can't seem to reach the Roza Vetrov website. If anyone sees this, please try it yourself and post back. I really hope they are not out of business, but I just don't know. Thank you, and god Bless you & yours.
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Well... this may be rather shitty. No matter what browser I try, I can't seem to reach the Roza Vetrov website. If anyone sees this, please try it yourself and post back. I really hope they are not out of business, but I just don't know. Thank you, and god Bless you & yours.
At the time of this writing their server is unresponsive. This doesn't mean they're out of business - just that they chose the wrong hosting service :/

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Well, if you got a hotel site, I'd say you've got some bugs in your PC, too.


( might want to do a virus / malware scan )
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At the time of this writing their server is unresponsive. This doesn't mean they're out of business - just that they chose the wrong hosting service :/


Well, if you got a hotel site, I'd say you've got some bugs in your PC, too.


( might want to do a virus / malware scan )
Seriously, thank you so very much Nails. I appreciate the help and more importantly than you for the info about the server( admittedly; I have no idea what it means when a website does that..)..Its not a death knell but its more than I had. Thank you very very much, good sir.
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Well, if you got a hotel site, I'd say you've got some bugs in your PC, too.
( might want to do a virus / malware scan )
Nah, that was after a general search.
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Depending on what you plan to do with your cook set, the ones that Stanley puts out are nice. I have their 24 oz. cook set, which comes with the 24 oz. cook pot and two plastic nesting mugs and a vented lid. It will let you heat plenty of water and have a way to reconstitute your dehydrated foods and drink something warm.

If you want something more pot-like, then their Adventure Prep and Cook set should meet the mail for you.

I'm not trying to change your mind about the Russian model. These are just a couple of decent stainless options to consider if you lose faith in reaching or purchasing from the Russian site.

By the way, if you are looking for a stove, the Solo Stove is a good little wood chip-burning gassifier to go with your cook set if you want something other than alcohol or petro-fueled stoves to use with it.
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Depending on what you plan to do with your cook set, the ones that Stanley puts out are nice. I have their 24 oz. cook set, which comes with the 24 oz. cook pot and two plastic nesting mugs and a vented lid. It will let you heat plenty of water and have a way to reconstitute your dehydrated foods and drink something warm.

If you want something more pot-like, then their Adventure Prep and Cook set should meet the mail for you.

I'm not trying to change your mind about the Russian model. These are just a couple of decent stainless options to consider if you lose faith in reaching or purchasing from the Russian site.

By the way, if you are looking for a stove, the Solo Stove is a good little wood chip-burning gassifier to go with your cook set if you want something other than alcohol or petro-fueled stoves to use with it.
Here's the thing: I'd be over the moon to find a suitable set made in the US. And the stanley sets are well made. But to find an all stainless steel set with w 2 quart pot, 1,5Liter kettle that's designed to keep smoke & ash out of the water for tea (Tea drinker, not really a coffee drinker) and a pan for frying is hard. Now find a set that nests together and is made for over the fire cooking. Seems like a smiple thing but so far no luck.
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Well this is a pleasant as an MRE dump...
Well the main site is still not responding but while surfing on ebay.de I found a seller by the name of alex-outdoor_de. He had had a 2.2L 3 piece set that would have been ideal but it was sold( I think). I haven't tried ebay.ru as I can't type in Russian but anyway.. I sent him a message asking if he planned on restocking and if he would ship to the US but its been 2 plus days so I'm kinda doubting he"ll reply. Just figured I'd update. IFFF, I ever get a kit, I plan on reviewing it here.
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OP,

Do you wear aluminum free Anti Perspirant ?

That's a much bigger source of aluminum contact than any cookware, since it's something most apply daily.

I have not heard of this site/company, so I don't know the legitimacy of ordering from them.

Good luck.
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Maybe I am a fool, but I try every so often to see if their site is back.Obviously no such luck thus far.I've tried site checkers but they have said pretty much the same as Nails did. They did say the site was parked for a time but now it claims its up but no data otherwise. Strange thing is I still see the catalog pics from them on google searches so something might be there but I dunno. the thought has occurred to me that the page my be blocking US IP addresses but that's probably just my imagination.
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UPDATE: Despite the VERY Quixotic nature of this search , it turns out https://roza-vetrov.su/ works: as of this posting) but their English page is seemingly dead right now. I can't read Russian well enough not to rely on translators, but I now have an email address to ask them if they will still ship to the US. I'm not sure if I should send it in English or try Yandex or google translate( if you know which way to arrange for US shipping or not be rude in doing so) but advice on which way would be best would be very appreciated... An Inch of progress! The Soviet Union domain name is weird. I don't know if that's good or not..
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I can't read Russian well enough not to rely on translators, but I now have an email address to ask them if they will still ship to the US. I'm not sure if I should send it in English or try Yandex or google translate
Unlike 'Murica, it is not uncommon for other first world countries to have a bilingual ( or trilingual ) populace.

Write them in English to avoid potential "oopsies" in the translation.
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Well, as of this post I have sent two emails to Roza vetrov trying to find a US dealer, or a way to get them to ship to the US. From what I have managed to translate; their Russian website does not have a non Russia shipping option and their English site is still dead. I'll give it a week, but it's certainly not a guarantee they'll reply. The German EBay seller is still in business but he has not replied to my earlier message. Thats the state of this quest at the moment, good or bad.
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In the latest episode of this maddening journy: It turns out the Soviet Russia web store stocks a limited selection of the Roza vetrov Steel pots. Link: https://thesovietrussia.com/category/other-equipment They do indeed ship to the US but as of this posting I have not ordered just yet. We will see if this goes as well as I hope. I am trying to get a set with the nesting kettle( 20 years of tea drinking isn't going to stop anytime soon) but we will see. IF I get what I am trying to get, I will post a full review here. I bid you reading this a good day and the very best!
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I am considering giving up the ghost on this particular idea. I can't find ANY sellers or stores that sell more than the pots and since they will not ship to the US, I may be at a dead end. I am debating asking Kosea if he can get anything from them but he hasn't been very active here lately and I don't know any other Russians that would buy the pieces I want then ship them. I LOVE the idea of a stainless steel mess kit that has a pan, pot and tea kettle that nests but if I can't find a way to get them, I may be SOL. I dunno. Pardon the complaining, but I update as the saga unfolds.
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Here are some quality mess kits that are stainless steel and might be a viable alternative to what you are looking for. https://www.selfrelianceoutfitters.c...ions/mess-kits
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Here are some quality mess kits that are stainless steel and might be a viable alternative to what you are looking for. https://www.selfrelianceoutfitters.c...ions/mess-kits
You aren't wrong about most of your points, but these do not pack as well as the Vetrov kits.Then again packable isn't everything. Although.. these are far more accessible, and there is something to be said about boiling water in a container that can be cleaned completely. The Vetrov kettle, while a nesting design, doesn't have much of a spout and can't be cleaned as easy as the "billy pot" like design of the Self reliance brand.
Of course: they already sold out of the camping cook kit I liked. Joy.....
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UPDATE!!!! SUCESS!!! I HAVE THE MESS KITS!!
I am now the proud owner of genuine Roza Vetrov steel-ware! Sometime tomorrow I will try and post pictures. and a full write up.

EDIT: While I have the kits, and honestly do recommend then wholeheartedly, I will be out of town for about a week. I will not be able to post until I return. When I do, I fully intend to do a full write up, as I will have had the chance to use, and learn the pros & cons of actually using the kit. Until then, I thank you for following this winding journey and stay tuned!

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Well at long last, I have both photos and I have had a chance to test the kit and learn a bit or two how to go about it. disclaimer: what you do with the kit is your business and I accept no liability whatsoever from its use/misuse or in anything realted to the kit.

Now then! this is the kit layed out, that I received from Kosea.


It contains a 1.4 liter version of the common "kochgeschirr" mess kit.
Also contained in the set is a 2.2 liter pot with a lid that has handles that hold closed but open to use as a frying pan. The 1.8 liter kettle nests inside the 2.2 liter pot.

It goes without saying that this is an all stainless steel set, and with that comes some precautions:This cookware has a tendency to scorch and or stick.I do not consider this a defect; ALL stainless steel cookware has this tendency. When I made a pound of elbow noodles in the pot, I had some stick to the bottom and leave an outline of the noodle shape. It isn't like aluminum, and does not spread heat like aluminum.

Both the 1.8L kettle ,and the 2.2L pot, fit on a Kovea spider canister stove. (at a later date I will add the image of the pot on top of the Spider)

Above is the 2.2 liter pot with the 1.8L kettle nested inside, and the lid to the pot with the handles.The Kovea Spider canister stove is the thing on top of the lid.
This little stove is a great stove , but given the wire supports, it isn't bomb proof.


The Kochgeschirr is not an exact copy of any of the ones used on WW2 or later, but is made to function in that form:

The Kochgeschirr does have a much shorter wire bail handle, so you can't suspend it with the lid on. On the 2.2L pot you can.
When I was using these pots, it became obvious that the wire bails on the pots do not stay up unless the pots are suspended. Keep this in mind when cooking with it: you can easily burn your hand on the wire bail and the pots in general use.
Minus the canister and the burner, the whole pot, kettle and lid setup weighs around a pound. In metric, it came to 861 grams.
One of the biggest reasons I bought this kit was the nesting kettle. Almost ALL the camping cook sets I have seen available rely on using the main pot to boil water for tea/coffee. This means you can't boil water and cook at the same time. Not a big deal for most, but for me it was. This kit is intended to be used over a campfire, however I used the canister stove to give an idea for size. Below is an image of it pouring, and it does a damn fine job of it. It is a narrow and very controllable stream.


In short, I recommend this set if you can get one wholeheartedly. I do recommend a pot gripper, like the Olicamp pot lifter, to go with the set though.

Shipping from Russia is interesting, but not bad. Once it was shipped I received my set in about 2 weeks.

I want to give a tremendous thank you to AKfiles user Kosea. This man was a joy to deal with. He kept me updated as things happened,shipped it promptly, and I could not have done this without him. I will buy more Roza vetrov, and other products, from him and I hope you do too. He is a trusted seller. He is upstanding and one of the best sellers and nicest people I have had the pleasure of talking to.

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Funkerman- nice stove, have you considered getting the Lindal valve adapter to use the green coleman tanks? There is an awesome adapter on Amazon that will allow you to use the less expensive 1lb Coleman tanks with that stove. And the Coleman tanks are also refillable from a 20lb tank with the proper adapter and exercise of caution. Walmart has 2 Coleman tanks available for $6 usd. And they can be scavenged from camp sites for free. I would recommend a schrader valve tool and preferably medical hemostat locking forceps to carefully "burp" the bleeder valve when refilling the coleman tanks.

I can post pics of my adapters and Primus Omnifuel stove in operation using said adapters. It is a great setup and less messy and dangerous using liquid fuels and white gas.
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Funkerman- nice stove, have you considered getting the Lindal valve adapter to use the green coleman tanks? There is an awesome adapter on Amazon that will allow you to use the less expensive 1lb Coleman tanks with that stove. And the Coleman tanks are also refillable from a 20lb tank with the proper adapter and exercise of caution. Walmart has 2 Coleman tanks available for $6 usd. And they can be scavenged from camp sites for free. I would recommend a schrader valve tool and preferably medical hemostat locking forceps to carefully "burp" the bleeder valve when refilling the coleman tanks.

I can post pics of my adapters and Primus Omnifuel stove in operation using said adapters. It is a great setup and less messy and dangerous using liquid fuels and white gas.
Propane is something I have been on the fence about with camping stoves. For larger groups, I like the idea for many reasons, but for a single man bugout/camping venture I am not sure if I like it. There are some critical things I don't know about using propane in the Spider such as burntime for a pound of fuel, or what position does the green propane canister need to be to be safely used? No way around it, those green can of porpane are heavier than the MSR butane mix canisters. The green propane containers are bulkier as well.
If I can get more burntime than the MSR canisters for the same weight,however, then I'd be more interested in making the fuel change, but I don't know.
Liquid fuels are indeed messy, but pound for pound they just have so much more calories of heat in them than any gas. Its hard not to be tempted by that.
Right now I am considering getting a Soto ST310 but thats another matter..
For liquid fuel, I have come to the conclusion that the MSR Whisperlight universal would be best for me, as I could use White gas,Kerosene, canister fuel and or unleaded regular gas. With that adapter you mentioned I could possibly burn propane but I haven't tried that.
Please do post those pictures though: I and other would like to see them.

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More than a few reasons but I'll try not to nerd out too much:

Aluminum tends to leach into food, with acidic foods leaching aluminum the most. I happen to like tomatoes and other acidic foods. While I won't be eating out of aluminum for years on end I'd rather avoid it. When larger amounts of aluminum are found in the brains of Alzheimer patients, I get the idea that aluminum is something I'd rather not have in my food. I don't buy or use aluminum cookware if I can avoid it.

EDIT: it is still being debated ,though, IF using aluminum cookware is the cause of the AL buildup or if the aluminum in the brain tissue is from a faulty metabolic/etc body system and the cookware has no effect. SUffice it to say the rest below still applies.

Aluminum cookware, Hard anodized or not, doesn't hold up to wear, tear and abuse as well as stainless steel does. Either camping or SHTF, I trust steel to hold its own. Its true it doesn't spread heat as well as aluminum and steel is heavier than titanium but is a good compromise on weight, durability and cost.

If money where no issue, titanium's only downside is that it can easily have hot spots. Of the three metals titanium is the lightest and the least reactive.it lasts and lasts and campfires don't hurt it a bit. But its expensive and I am not rich.
As for the shape& form: I love the German m31 mess kit. The east German version I have is great for everything except that its aluminum and has stained with cooking use . This means it is leaching into my food. If the Germans made a steel version of the M31 mess kit I'd buy it and be done. But no M31 mess kits where ever made in steel and even if a few where, they are too rare to be worth mentioning. The closest thing to a steel M31 mess kit was the Swedish Trangia mess kits and they are very rare these days. Those Swedish kits lack the inner little pot the German kits had.The trangia burners are loved but.. its not the same. So far, China has never made any steel M31's either.

So after all that I keep looking and hoping. I found the store in the first post and wanted to see if anyone else had found the kits worthwhile.

EDIT: I at no time claim to be an expert but I have tried my best to explain my reasoning. If I am wrong, then I am wrong but this is as best as I have it now.
I agree but can simplify it even further (for my tastes). I do not like the feel of utensils scraping aluminum cookware, and I absolutely detest the taste aluminum imparts into everything. Even cold water tastes weird from an aluminum canteen cup. I am too cheap, however, to buy stainless or titanium cookware, so currently cook in a stainless canteen cup or if it's a group gig cast iron.
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