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Old 07-27-2017, 11:24 AM   #36
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This is very interesting, but expensive. I like that it can pump into your pressure tank. Do y'all have any info or opinions?

http://www.simplepump.com/index.html
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Old 07-27-2017, 02:37 PM   #37
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This is very interesting, but expensive. I like that it can pump into your pressure tank. Do y'all have any info or opinions?

http://www.simplepump.com/index.html
If it is going to pull water up from 300 feet AND against the 40ish psi of a pressure tank, the volume per stroke has got to be pretty low. Think of the difference in volume when comparing a low pressure air pump to fill an inflatable toy and a high pressure pump for a car tire.

I'm guessing it will take a LONG time to fill even a small sized pressure tank let alone the 100+ gallon one attached to my system. The person using it will develop arms like Popeye...or a heart attack.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:19 PM   #38
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You guys understand that a pressure tank or accumulator tank is filled with air and is used to reduce the amount of times the pressure switch turns on and off, don't you?
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:02 PM   #39
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You guys understand that a pressure tank or accumulator tank is filled with air and is used to reduce the amount of times the pressure switch turns on and off, don't you?
I don't know much about water wells, but per Professor Google:

"A well pump is connected to a well pressure tank, which acts as a reservoir to store the water that will be distributed throughout a home."

https://www.rgwater.com/3-types-of-w...sure-tanks.php

SimplePump states their pump is designed to fill the pressure tank for distribution.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:31 PM   #40
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You guys understand that a pressure tank or accumulator tank is filled with air and is used to reduce the amount of times the pressure switch turns on and off, don't you?
Yes I understand exactly what a pressure tank is. I have zero idea what point were you trying to make though.
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:22 PM   #41
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I have a well and a generator that is more than capable of powering the entire house.

A separate well with a hand pump is an excellent idea as a backup option.
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The Simple Pump website.....

What do they mean by "pitless pump" or "pitless adapter"?

I've never heard that terminology before.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:14 AM   #43
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A "Pitless" adapter is an underground connection joint for the well's water pipe. It goes thru the side of the well casing so it won't freeze in cold weather.
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I wish I could get a well on my property.

Village ordnance won't allow for it. The county controls (owns) the land we all buy (lease) so, it's a catch 22.

My brother is a big Union driller so I could do it, but he'd risk being fired.
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I got a price quote from Simple Pump, for my well.
My well is approx 48' deep with a 35' column of water at approx 10 gal per min.
The price quote was $1,500 with shipping.
Am thinking about it but must save up for that as I am on limited income.
For that price I hope it works better than that piece of shit pitcher pump that I now have.
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:22 PM   #46
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Not sure if you need batteries, I thought someone mentioned a direct solar setup. With a big enough storage tank, water pumped up during day is available at night or for several days of cloudy weather.
A pump eats a lot of current, if you were running direct solar you'd need a lot of panels Im guessing
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A pump eats a lot of current, if you were running direct solar you'd need a lot of panels Im guessing
Look at Gundfos, they have pumps that will take about any voltage you can throw at them. Not cheap.

http://us.grundfos.com/products/find...ct/sqflex.html
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:03 PM   #48
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A pump eats a lot of current, if you were running direct solar you'd need a lot of panels Im guessing
Not from what I am seeing around the stock tanks on the ranches. Since its just pumping into a tank and not trying to fill a pressure tank the current draw is less. Then use a secondary pump to pressurize the house plumbing.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:12 AM   #49
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A "Pitless" adapter is an underground connection joint for the well's water pipe. It goes thru the side of the well casing so it won't freeze in cold weather.
Alright. Thank you. Makes more sense now.
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:18 PM   #50
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Anybody got recommendations for storing well water?
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Anybody got recommendations for storing well water?
A 2500 gallon tank works great. Pump it into the tank and then use a secondary pump to pressurize the plumbing. That way you have 2500 gal on hand at any given moment.
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We have a solar setup with 6 panels wired direct to a grundfos variable voltage pump that will also run on AC generator pwr. We have a modest tank, but I'm planning on a very large underground tank in the future for fire fighting, pond use, & privacy. Well is 340' deep with static @ 260'.
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I looked into the Grundfos Flex series, which is what I assume you're using. Unfortunately, upgrading to the Flex pump and it's required control panel from a Grundfos A/C pump and panel adds almost $3k to my price. That's without any solar panels. I love the idea of being able to add solar or wind in the future but that's more than I can do right now.

I am adding a 1550 gallon storage tank,which is adding about $3k already. I'm getting the Grundfos booster pump online for around $520. That was the only thing the installer charges a premium on for some reason. This is my first well and it is an expensive proposition, but I'm looking at it as an investment. I appreciate all the info here.
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I looked into the Grundfos Flex series, which is what I assume you're using. Unfortunately, upgrading to the Flex pump and it's required control panel from a Grundfos A/C pump and panel adds almost $3k to my price. That's without any solar panels. I love the idea of being able to add solar or wind in the future but that's more than I can do right now.

I am adding a 1550 gallon storage tank,which is adding about $3k already. I'm getting the Grundfos booster pump online for around $520. That was the only thing the installer charges a premium on for some reason. This is my first well and it is an expensive proposition, but I'm looking at it as an investment. I appreciate all the info here.
Is that $3k for just the tank? Home Depot has 2500 gallon poly tanks for less then $1k
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This is very interesting, but expensive. I like that it can pump into your pressure tank. Do y'all have any info or opinions?

http://www.simplepump.com/index.html
I've been looking at these can pump from 325' can add solar at a later date and it doesn't have to pressurize your tank it work like a regular pump too
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I tried talking to couple Plumber I know it was like talking to a wall...they were all why would you need that if you have a generator. And had never installed anything like it
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This is a cheap way of doing it but you would have to pull your pump out to make it happen

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6iiZNc23-JA
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I looked into the Grundfos Flex series, which is what I assume you're using. Unfortunately, upgrading to the Flex pump and it's required control panel from a Grundfos A/C pump and panel adds almost $3k to my price. That's without any solar panels. I love the idea of being able to add solar or wind in the future but that's more than I can do right now.

I am adding a 1550 gallon storage tank,which is adding about $3k already. I'm getting the Grundfos booster pump online for around $520. That was the only thing the installer charges a premium on for some reason. This is my first well and it is an expensive proposition, but I'm looking at it as an investment. I appreciate all the info here.

A bit pricey, but an excellent investment especially w the ability to easily upgrade power source later and that storage tank is phenomenal. Congrats on not skimping on that critical infrastructure, which is easy to do w all the stuff requiring cash outlays.
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Is that $3k for just the tank? Home Depot has 2500 gallon poly tanks for less then $1k
The $3k is adding the entire holding tank system, including booster pump and hardware, to the well pump and pressure tank set up.
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So, now I'm trying to figure how the holding tank system would work with a solar capable system. The holding tank requires a booster pump. I guess I would either need that to be solar compatible or be able to bypass the holding tank. It's confusing
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Systems vary, but as I understand the concept you have a solar powered submersible pump in the well that runs the water up to a holding tank. Since you are pushing a huge column of water up the well, less power is used if there is no pressurization required. Hence the holding tank, which also allows it to fill during the day and draw from at night or when cloudy. To get the water to your home system and pressurize it, a second pump draws from the tank and pressurizes the system.

Think of it as a huge RV water system, you have a tank full of water and the on-demand pump in the RV comes on to pump water out of the tank as you need it in the shower, sink, etc. The solar powered well pump is essentially the water hose you fill the RV tank with.
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Thats a great explanation CK.
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Thanks Krink. I appreciate the explanation. If I understand, water is pushed to the holding tank then the booster pump will fill my 80 gallon pressure tank? Or is it reversed? I'm not even ready to build yet (can't afford it!). I just want to get the infrastructure ready and done correctly. Thanks again
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Thanks Krink. I appreciate the explanation. If I understand, water is pushed to the holding tank then the booster pump will fill my 80 gallon pressure tank? Or is it reversed? I'm not even ready to build yet (can't afford it!). I just want to get the infrastructure ready and done correctly. Thanks again
Yep, the pump in the well fills the holding tank, then the booster pump draws out of the holding tank and sends it up to your pressure tank for use.
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This thread got me thinking about other "off the grid" water sources...

Right now I'm on a rural water district that charges a $36 monthly fee just for having an active service. This fee does not include a single drop of water. We keep our usage pretty low, around 1000 gallons a month, making our typical monthly water bill about $50 or so. I hate paying that $36 service fee!

I've looked in to a well, but unfortunately I live on the wrong side of the river for a good well. Down in the valley good wells are dug at an easy 40 feet. Up on the ridge where I live it's 500 - 600 feet, and there's no guarantee you'll find water. I've spoken with several people in the area with $10000 holes in their yards, and no water. I don't want to make the same mistake.

This got me thinking about digging a reservoir, or a rain water collection setup. What does it take to make either option viable and safe long term? I don't want to use chemicals or expensive filters.
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We just bought a house and it has a well. Haven't tested the water yet but local mingling with other residents says that the wells around here were required to be dug at least 90ft with most ranging between 120-160. Most of our neighbors say there's is dug to 120-130 so I'd say it's safe to say ours is right there too. Should be safe for drinking but it definitely needs run through a water softener for potable use I think. Seems like the water is pretty hard and quickly have calcium and lime deposits in the piping going off of what was left after my pickup was sprayed and evaporated.
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This thread got me thinking about other "off the grid" water sources...

Right now I'm on a rural water district that charges a $36 monthly fee just for having an active service. This fee does not include a single drop of water. We keep our usage pretty low, around 1000 gallons a month, making our typical monthly water bill about $50 or so. I hate paying that $36 service fee!

I've looked in to a well, but unfortunately I live on the wrong side of the river for a good well. Down in the valley good wells are dug at an easy 40 feet. Up on the ridge where I live it's 500 - 600 feet, and there's no guarantee you'll find water. I've spoken with several people in the area with $10000 holes in their yards, and no water. I don't want to make the same mistake.

This got me thinking about digging a reservoir, or a rain water collection setup. What does it take to make either option viable and safe long term? I don't want to use chemicals or expensive filters.
The easiest back up water supply is a pond. Treat it when you need to use it. Or use the water from it for plants, garden lawn, etc.
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The easiest back up water supply is a pond. Treat it when you need to use it. Or use the water from it for plants, garden lawn, etc.
What if I'm not looking for a backup source? I want to get off of the rural water all together.
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I'm not going to hand pump from 500+ feet down. I keep a backup gennie on hand and plenty of propane for it.
+1 mine is also at 500 ft.
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Do you have an emergency hand pump ? You tubers say you can fab your own but this one here is appealing to me..

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I've spent some time and money to create the same pump as the EZ pump that works as well or better than the original. I'm lucky that my static water level in my 6" pipe is less than twenty five feet from the surface.

If anyone would like some pics of all of the pieces of PVC and how they are assembled I'd be happy to post them.
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