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Old 05-16-2018, 10:07 AM   #351
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What is your dealer asking for the NIB M90NPs?
$800 last time i was there, 2 weeks ago.
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My dealer has 3 more M90NP new in box, the only thing i think that bugs me about the M90NP in the polymer mag well(a non issue, probably yes but im picky lol.).
It is clearly defective so I will take it off your hands for a nominal fee.
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It is clearly defective so I will take it off your hands for a nominal fee.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:03 PM   #354
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My dealer has 3 more M90NP new in box, the only thing i think that bugs me about the M90NP in the polymer mag well(a non issue, probably yes but im picky lol.).
The only negative remark on the poly magwell was of a smaller mag release button than AR's as I remember. I have big hands and was not an issue. Think about swapping out that tupperware stock with something like Magpul's zhukov-s stock.
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Think about swapping out that tupperware stock with something like Magpul's zhukov-s stock.
I did, well i used the Definitive Arms https://shop.akoperatorsunionlocal47...ck-Adapter.htm & this stock Magpul SLS stock https://www.magpul.com/products/moe-...stock-mil-spec oh & a ALG trigger lol. Only thing i haven't done yet is swap out the hand guards, not sure what to do with the stock ones.
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Two totally different rifles. Average Joe will see "Arsenal" and higher price tag and probably will think "better", but IMO 98% of the appeal of the M90NP to Joe is the ability to take AR mags from the factory possibly swaying him in that direction. If PSA ever starts putting out a durable and reliable 5.56 or .308 AK that takes AR mags, I don't think they'll ever stay in stock.

The Arsenal might win in the fit and finish dept, takes regular AKM accessories, and has a nice folding stock and brake, but it doesn't have longer barrel, thicker receiver, bulged front trunnion, adjustable gas, and the ability to take AR mags...a rifle you could setup as a DMR if you wanted a DMR AK.

Before I got my M90NP I thought about the 106FR, but I didn't want to invest in more (expensive) mags, and it was too similar to my 107FR.



It's about variety. I don't think I ever want a Tavor, but it's definitely different enough from the run of the mill AR that I'd probably get one if I had the money and was on the fence. Same reason someone might have in 7.62x39 a couple AK's, an SKS, an AR, and a CZ 527...enough variety to not get bored while being able to shoot ammo from the same pile.
lol I have every single one of these. My mind is reaching for logic, but logic to the gun nut (in the run up to a purchase) can be VERY different than "normal" logic.

E.g. The SKS? 20" barrel and it is ban state compliant but can be converted. CZ 527? Well I have a shit load of 7.62x39 and one day I could hunt with it and I get a touch more velocity for range. Also ban state compliant. The M90 NP? Leverages my butt load of AR mags and 5.56 and is a natural cold weather, hard use quasi DMR w 18.5" barrel. And on and on lol
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The only negative remark on the poly magwell was of a smaller mag release button than AR's as I remember. I have big hands and was not an issue. Think about swapping out that tupperware stock with something like Magpul's zhukov-s stock.
I do consider this as a negative as well. It works fine, but the paddle mag release is a stength of the AK esp in cold weather or adverse conditions like mud snow etc


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Separately, will this M70 wood furniture fit the M90 NP? It's U.S. made so that may mean Century produced or subcontracted, but it's looks like the wood on my circa 2012 NPAP which is not bad at all.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/m70-ak-...liant-set.html
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The M90 NP? Leverages my butt load of AR mags and 5.56 and is a natural cold weather, hard use quasi DMR w 18.5" barrel.


Natural cold weather, what do you mean by that?
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:02 AM   #359
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Separately, will this M70 wood furniture fit the M90 NP? It's U.S. made so that may mean Century produced or subcontracted, but it's looks like the wood on my circa 2012 NPAP which is not bad at all.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/m70-ak-...liant-set.html
I'm pretty sure it will, according to one of the reviewers it will
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Fit beautifully on my PAP N90NP. One minor ding on stock and one on upper handguard. Went on with minor problems ie it's harder than I thought to get that upper handguard off. Looks great! (Posted on 2/20/2018)
Maybe someone here on the files like AKBLUE would know?

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I believe these handguards will work
https://www.apexgunparts.com/yugosla...blonde-vg.html

https://www.apexgunparts.com/yugosla...very-good.html

https://www.apexgunparts.com/khyber-...s-tube-wa.html
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:35 PM   #360
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I do consider this as a negative as well. It works fine, but the paddle mag release is a stength of the AK esp in cold weather or adverse conditions like mud snow etc


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Separately, will this M70 wood furniture fit the M90 NP? It's U.S. made so that may mean Century produced or subcontracted, but it's looks like the wood on my circa 2012 NPAP which is not bad at all.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/m70-ak-...liant-set.html
It will fit the M90 but is not vey authentic and looks rather drab. The buttpad is non standard
Compated to that seen on a M70 etc.
But if it appeals to you then go for it.
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I am almost certain I saw an add for M70 Yugo stock and hand guard for like $70 a couple of days ago.
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It will fit the M90 but is not vey authentic and looks rather drab. The buttpad is non standard
Compated to that seen on a M70 etc.
But if it appeals to you then go for it.
What would look more authentic in your opinion?
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Natural cold weather, what do you mean by that?

I'm a lot more confident in an AK platform in extremely cold weather say like it gets in some parts of your AO. It's the cold, but also the snow and ice and temp changes that can gum up an AR esp one that is overlubed or has wrong lube.

So for 5.56, an AK is a nice insurance policy. Also since 5.56 is more dependent on velocity for terminal ballistics, an 18.5" barel naturally can achieve a greater velocity than a 16" barrel, at leas w most milspec loads.
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I'm a lot more confident in an AK platform in extremely cold weather say like it gets in some parts of your AO. It's the cold, but also the snow and ice and temp changes that can gum up an AR esp one that is overlubed or has wrong lube.

So for 5.56, an AK is a nice insurance policy. Also since 5.56 is more dependent on velocity for terminal ballistics, an 18.5" barel naturally can achieve a greater velocity than a 16" barrel, at leas w most milspec loads.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:44 AM   #365
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What would look more authentic in your opinion?
Go with surplus furniture, here is a clean set on my reworked m90np. Just gotta install the front long rivet, re-pin components, and re-blue a couple bare spots. I also need to make a new indexing tab for the gas tube, as the original is off-center and broke off (hence the "gunsmith special" status).

Bought this cheap as a "gunsmith special" last year with the intent of using it for the base of an m21 build, but ended up reworking it like this instead. Don't have any AR's, so I don't have any AR mags, and figured it'd be more fun like this. PS if anyone has a m76 or m95 piston and m95 flash hider (US made or original), I'd love to take them off your hands



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Old 06-06-2018, 12:00 PM   #366
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I finally got around to testing some "better" loads in my M90NP to see what it's capable of and what loads it likes.

The test loads were:
Fiocchi 77gr Sierra MatchKing (20 rds)
Fiocchi 69gr Sierra MatchKing (20 rds)
ADI Outback 55gr Sierra Blitzking (20 rds)
Speer Gold Dot 75gr (10 rds)
Wolf MC 62gr FMJ (10 rds)

All groups were 5 shots off bags, no sled, at 100 yards. Stock trigger, 12x scope. These are just my results and just thought I'd share so take them for what they're worth.

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For this barrel to have a 1:7 twist, it doesn't seem to like loads in the 70s. You'll see more of this later. My Aero Precision 16" midlength 1:7 twist shoots this Fiocchi 77gr load no more than 1" with a milspec trigger. Yes, AR to AK, apples to oranges. The 69gr SMK shows promise though.

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69gr SMK still looking decent. The Wolf you see in the middle was part of the very last 2 groups I shot. It has regularly shot at around 2" for me so after the barrel was really hot at the end I decided to shoot 2 groups of Wolf to see 1) if the groups were opening up due to heat and 2) sort of have a "control" to compare these expensive loads with. Still impressed with the Wolf.

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After seeing the performance of the Wolf and Fiocchi 69gr, I'm curious how the 62gr Gold Dot would perform. The 75gr Gold Dot is an excellent performer out of my AR, but it wasn't happening with AK. The 55gr SBK doesn't seem to be anything to write home about in my M90NP either.

After I got home, I discovered the firing pin is a little sticky in the bolt and doesn't seem to float freely. I attempted to remove it and clean the channel, but no matter how much I beat on the retaining pin, I couldn't get it to budge before having to move on to something else. Those of you that have successfully removed your firing pins on your M90NP, please let me know how difficult it was for you or if there's any tricks.

Wrap-up:
With the right load, the M90NP seems to have better than average accuracy potential even after the barrel warms up. I may or may not try some more loads in the 60s range. My example has just south of 1200 rounds through it without the first malfunction and I have been running on gas setting 1 since after the first 40-50 rounds. Running and gunning shooting Wolf through it is a blast as the recoil is virtually nonexistent and much more fun than most any AR. 5.56 AKs, properly gassed, are a thing of beauty.
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Can anyone give a long term review of th M90
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Can anyone give a long term review of th M90
I haven't seen or heard anything "bad"..
Mostly people asking about the adapter etc..
I've got an M90P...
I'm at about 350rds..
The longer barrel is kinda...well longer..but an m4 buttstock adapter can help with OAL..
Or chop and pin the barrel or whatever.
If u find one I'd get it...
Mine was used (barely if at all) and a good deal.
AK prices are all over the place...
You may find an M90P for $650ish..or one for $850...

Factory built with an AR mag adapter...
Pretend the zombies r here or whatever....
AR mags and 5.56 everywhere and your all set
Also someone commented about the stock handguard...
I tried my hand at stiplling...I like how it turned out

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One just sold with tacticool stockon GB for $930.
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One just sold with tacticool stockon GB for $930.
Wow! Low life CTD had them as low as $604.79 just 2 years ago.
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The lack of any negative feedback on the www is about as good as a quality test.
Those that have problems with a firearm are quick to report the issues on social media.
The PAP M85 and M90 share the same action and magwell.
Both have good reports and/ or lack of any bad experiences.
The M90 is a small quantity import so it is not surprising that the discussion of that model is low volume.

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The lack of any negative feedback on the www is about as good as a quality test.
Those that have problems with a firearm are quick to report the issues on social media.
The M95 and M90 share the sae action and magwell.
Both have good reports and/ or lack of any bad experiences.
The M90 is a small quantity import so it is not surprising that the discussion of that model is low volume.
I was keeping track of how many were imported back in 2016/2017 and the highest I ever found was 00183X.
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I was keeping track of how many were imported back in 2016/2017 and the highest I ever found was 00183X.
I'm SN 005x
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Mine is about 100 higher than yours.
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The last time there was a serial number check here, I think the highest anyone came up with was an 18XX.
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https://ibb.co/gUqrufSN 780 here





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The last time there was a serial number check here, I think the highest anyone came up with was an 18XX.
I've got one in the 190X range... Ive never see one higher. I'm sure they are out there.
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I've got one in the 190X range... Ive never see one higher. I'm sure they are out there.
Somebody just bumped up the old thread - looks like you've still got the highest number!
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