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Old 05-13-2018, 11:53 PM   #1
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Well,

I cannot find anything definitive on the brthdate of my recently acquired HP. The serial number is 62###. I thought it was late 50s or early 60s.... 70000 SNs are '54...

A little Google fu shows nothing but guesses. I now figure(yeah figure as in guess) it's obviously older that '54. Now, that makes me happy but anyone know some better information?

She's g-vg now, but man, early 50s, kick ass! Maybe late 40s. Proof mark has a "P" above a seal of some variety.... SN is on slide and frame, one right above the other.


Thanks for any help.

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Old 05-14-2018, 11:47 AM   #2
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Wow,

The IS the definitive place for gun knowledge. My research did indicate this may not be possible because of record keeping, or lack there of, following the war and its destruction. I've seen gun SNs starting 49### & 57### in some websites... They can't find this info either or just got a guess.

Don't give up, if you even started, LOL! I haven't...

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Well,

I cannot find anything definitive on the brthdate of my recently acquired HP. The serial number is 62###. I thought it was late 50s or early 60s.... 70000 SNs are '54...

A little Google fu shows nothing but guesses. I now figure(yeah figure as in guess) it's obviously older that '54. Now, that makes me happy but anyone know some better information?

She's g-vg now, but man, early 50s, kick ass! Maybe late 40s. Proof mark has a "P" above a seal of some variety.... SN is on slide and frame, one right above the other.


Thanks for any help.

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Old 05-14-2018, 01:02 PM   #4
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My new fave,

Besides my 2 all matching 640bs... Especially for $500!

The mystery of its birthdate is part of the fun too...

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Old 05-14-2018, 02:58 PM   #5
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Outside a mention that FN has done much craziness with serial numbers over the years (made date vs ship date, old parts, some c- or t-series in same era as serials missing a c or t, etc.), I'd start with the fact that one has the old extractor (stopped mid-60s?) and "thumb indent" on slide (stopped by 1960, as I recall). That may give at least some insight on era.

ETA: Specific wording, as well as particular font, used in rollmark on side may help narrow it down more, too.
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Old 05-14-2018, 06:05 PM   #6
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Ahhhh,

It does, just like the 640bs... Didn't know about the thumb indent on slide. I am NO HP expert and I know enough about the 640bs to get a good deal or know what I'm getting into, matching, correct Waffenamts, SN locations(need to review this actually), sliding sights, stock slot in rear of grip, etc.

The trigger pull on the HPs is atrocious...

It does appear FN was in a stabilizing period after WW II or just FUBARed. I have to go to the experts here which I am not, thanks Spook. I've also PMed Highpower and he is going to assist if he can after his travels.

So was $500 an OK deal Spook?

Any more is good intel, this was certainly a revelation!

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A good resource for the HP affection-ado.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html
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Was $500 a good deal? 5 bills is robbery and you know it. Nice pistol.
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For me, this was the pistol that made the 1911 irrelevant.

Beautiful pistol!
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Man it's older than I suspected,

Now I'm afraid to shoot it and break the internal extractor... Technically, I have small replacement parts for my 640bs, LOL!

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Man it's older than I suspected,

Now I'm afraid to shoot it and break the internal extractor... Technically, I have small replacement parts for my 604bs, LOL!

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Busted the internal extractor on my Pre-war Belgian military contract (made between mid 1936 and mid 1937). $90 for an FN original. It’s a safe queen now




Your pistol im guessing is from the late 40’s/early 50’s
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Well Steve!

Nice gun, very very nice gun. I'm not surprised you have one but I didn't know until now. You sure some dirty Nazi didn't put his kraut hands on that thing? I've heard some great stories about HPs in occupied Europe. In all of them, if it was an HP and there during the war, it WAS used by good guy or bad...?...

I'd like to know where you got that internal extractor for $90...? Last 1 I located was $125... And they do seem awful "breaky"....

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Well Steve!

Nice gun, very very nice gun. I'm not surprised you have one but I didn't know until now. You sure some dirty Nazi didn't put his kraut hands on that thing? I've heard some great stories about HPs in occupied Europe. In all of them, if it was an HP and there during the war, it WAS used by good guy or bad...?...

I'd like to know where you got that internal extractor for $90...? Last 1 I located was $125... And they do seem awful "breaky"....

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My grandpa took it off of a German in France, 1944. He was in the 5th Armored

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The Hi Power is one of my favorite pistols. I don't have any near as nice as the ones shown in the thread, I did get one of the Argentine Police guns with they were imported and recently got one that came out of Israel. Bot more shooter then anything else but still nice.

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My grandpa took it off of a German in France, 1944. He was in the 5th Armored

Well done for your Grandpa! That is an outstanding HP to have in the family! I wish that my Dad was interested in bringing souvenirs back from his time in the ETO in WWII, the only thing that he brought back was himself and uniforms. My mom had a cousin that was a mechanic for one of the armoured divisions and he sent back boxes of stuff. I remember going over to his house as a kid and he would show me tools, china, pistols, uniforms, medals, rifles, etc, etc, he was a real scrounger. I have no idea where all that stuff wound up when he passed away.
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Well done for your Grandpa! That is an outstanding HP to have in the family! I wish that my Dad was interested in bringing souvenirs back from his time in the ETO in WWII, the only thing that he brought back was himself and uniforms. My mom had a cousin that was a mechanic for one of the armoured divisions and he sent back boxes of stuff. I remember going over to his house as a kid and he would show me tools, china, pistols, uniforms, medals, rifles, etc, etc, he was a real scrounger. I have no idea where all that stuff wound up when he passed away.
I have is dress uniform, all his medals, and a photo book full of pics and letters from when he was at boot camp in 1942 all the way to when he came home. He took pics off of dead Germans too, so itís a pretty cool album.
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Are the serial numbers consistent? Meaning, is the barrel, slide and frame the same?

I had a really cool one that was a pre-war frame that had then been hidden away during the war, then built after the war, then rebuilt in the 60s. I forget exactly but there was an additional number on the barrel/slide from the frame that explained that history.
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Are the serial numbers consistent? Meaning, is the barrel, slide and frame the same?

I had a really cool one that was a pre-war frame that had then been hidden away during the war, then built after the war, then rebuilt in the 60s. I forget exactly but there was an additional number on the barrel/slide from the frame that explained that history.


Donít have a pic of the barrel but yes, itís all matching serial numbers
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I knew it!

What's the Waffenamt on it, Waa613, 103 or 140?

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OP, I'm guessing yours was late '40s early '60s. It is identical in form to the old Nazi HP I used to have, but with a far nicer fit and finish.

If you decide that your heart can't bear the strain of being the guardian of such weighty history, hit me up. I'll carry the burden for ya!
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A Browning High Power was my go to handgun for a long time. I have owned a few including an Inglis tangent sight with a shoulder stock that is one of the ones that I wish that I had kept. I did keep this one and it made it to Texas with me.

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More of mine (just taken). It’s a work of fuckin art. Still an ok amount of finish on the rails, so I bet it wasn’t even shot much









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More of mine (just taken). Itís a work of fuckin art. Still an ok amount of finish on the rails, so I bet it wasnít even shot much









Steve, that is an outstanding prewar HP-35! Again, kudos to grandpa for reliving the German of that and bringing it home and of him and your family for holding onto it!
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Wow,

To antique COOL!!! 80 years old and thru a war....

Lgs gun owner buddy, neat story from seller on one of his pre-war. Nazis came to town in Belgium, told this seller's uncle(town cop when Nazis showed up) to come to "city hall" and "bring your pistol"... Seller said his uncle thought he'd be shot. He showed up, Nazis said hand over your HP, and told him to go home... That's it. War ended, sellers uncle got his duty HP back, bought it, it got to America via the seller/nephew. It has no Waffenamts...

Found the extractors for $90. Popped right up on Google search. I need to get one...

https://jack-first-gun-parts.myshopi...long-extractor

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Wow,

To antique COOL!!! 80 years old and thru a war.... Lgs gun owner buddy, similar story from seller on one of his. Nazis came to town in Belgium, told this seller's uncle(town cop when Nazis showed up) to come to "city hall" and "bring your pistol"... Seller said his uncle thought he'd be shot. He showed up, Nazis said hand over your HP, and told him to go home... That's it. War ended, sellers uncle got his duty HP back, bought it, it got to America via the seller/nephew. It has no Waffenamts...

Found the extractors for $90. Popped right up on Google search. I need to get one...

https://jack-first-gun-parts.myshopi...long-extractor

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Buy one (2 would be better), haven’t seen modern runs of these in awhile. Good chance it will have to be fitted as well.

From my understanding, the Germans loved the Hi-Powers. Those extra shots really mattered
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That appears to be a pre occupation HP
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That appears to be a pre occupation HP
Itís made between 1936-1937. Unsure of month. The round barrel cam means itís pre-1939 and the proofs are Belgian military contract. Low 6000 serial # puts it in the first 2 (maybe 3) years of production for the Belgian military. Just wish I had the shoulder stock!
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Internal extractor means it is an older one . I think they changed to an external extractor in the 60's .
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The proofs,

Left side:


Barrel:


What is it with these pics? Used to set up perfect...?...

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Jamart Auguste,

Controller of proofs on my pistol! "E" with star above it.

Y'all? See below:

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Yep, it’s a <1959. Commercial contract as well. Fun decoding these guns isn’t it?

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It's less than '54 cuz of the <70000,

And I caught your sarcasm Steve.

How'd you know commercial? Aside from the end of the "non-commercial" war sans that farcical statement...

It's fun as Heck! I'm becoming very smitten with this pistol... As much as the Luger!

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It's less than '54 cuz of the <70000,

And I caught your sarcasm Steve.

How'd you know commercial? Aside from the end of the "non-commercial" war sans that farcical statement...

It's fun as Heck! I'm becoming very smitten with this pistol... As much as the Luger!

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Sarcasm???


It’s commercial because the military contract ones have the (H) marks on a bunch of the pieces. Might have changed post war, but they were still making the pistols for the military (many different countries) so I’m not sure if that proof changes or not


Edit: the (H) may be a pre-war only proof, I might be wrong.

Damnit man now you have me going again searching about all the markings!

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Thought you were being sarcastic,

Or funny, disregard... No clue about the "H", means "Heer" on some German stuff... I'll check out my 640bs...

I haven't even started on the Luger...

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