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Old 07-10-2017, 01:56 PM   #36
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Could Polish SWD parts be used? Maybe WPB could source them.
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:37 PM   #37
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Could Polish SWD parts be used? Maybe WPB could source them.
The poles never made their own rifles, just converted and rebarreled 1960s and early 1970s Russian SVDs already in their inventory to make the SWD-M.
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Old 07-10-2017, 06:46 PM   #38
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So, a, when do we start cutting parts??? My CNC mill has been idle for a while... Could use a project...

Just saying.
You should have an FFL
We should.make and NDA between parties
We should make clear business case.

Just saying that to lauch SVD productiom in US we need a partner who will carry it's part of burden.

We have a models, we have a drawnings. We have a knowledge. But to fund 100% of the project to build SVD in US - we.just aren't ready yet.

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Old 07-11-2017, 10:18 AM   #39
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You should have an FFL
We should.make and NDA between parties
We should make clear business case.

Just saying that to lauch SVD productiom in US we need a partner who will carry it's part of burden.

We have a models, we have a drawnings. We have a knowledge. But to fund 100% of the project to build SVD in US - we.just aren't ready yet.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:25 AM   #40
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Tag as this is of an interest...but $6K for a US reproduction copy is far fetched when the true Russian ones go for $2-4K on average and are the genuine article.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:31 AM   #41
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Tag as this is of an interest...but $6K for a US reproduction copy is far fetched when the true Russian ones go for $2-4K on average and are the genuine article.
True Russian what? You must be confused with another rifle.
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True Russian what? You must be confused with another rifle.
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Tag as this is of an interest...but $6K for a US reproduction copy is far fetched when the true Russian ones go for $2-4K on average and are the genuine article.
You are going to have to show me a $2k SVD
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Could Polish SWD parts be used? Maybe WPB could source them.
The Soviets never licensed any other country to make SVD's.

The Hungarian and Polish ones are Soviet-made.

Later, Poland changed some of the barrels for heavier barrels.
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Explain yourself
Genuine SVD's, when you can find one for sale, have been $8k+. I won't even count this one that recently sold at Rock Island Auction for $23k. With your price range though I'm assuming you're referring to Tigers. While those prices are more in line with what they were some years ago, today they're in the $4k to $6k range. Not to mention they have the shorter barrel and no flash hider, which kills the "SVD look" people usually like to go for.

Using Gunbroker for examples:

One Tiger with no accessories just sold today for $4k (663273387).

Another Tiger with accessories sold on 31MAY for $5.8k (652271021).

A Tiger with extra wood furniture sold on 25MAY for $5.5k (648684675).

A quick glance at Armslist showed a few ads for Tigers that were cheaper than this, but I'm confident at least two of the ads were scams, seeing as how they were supposedly being sold in different states yet the pictures had the same tile flooring.

This California Armory Tiger, with the flash hider installed, sold on 07MAY for $6.9k (Lot #3388) at Rock Island Auction.

The days of $2k Tigers are gone. With these prices a $6k domestically produced SVD copy with a match barrel would be worth it in some people's eyes, though I suspect the market would be very limited, especially right now in the salad days of AR's. 80% receivers though put an interesting spin on everything.
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California Tiger #190 at the OGCA show today with all accessories priced at $7K.
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The vast majority of people who want an SVD/NDM was t it for what it is first and how it shoots second. IMO, the only way a US made clone is going to sell is if it costs well south of 2k. It's essentially pointless.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:18 PM   #48
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The vast majority of people who want an SVD/NDM was t it for what it is first and how it shoots second. IMO, the only way a US made clone is going to sell is if it costs well south of 2k. It's essentially pointless.
The vast majority of people who want an AK want it for what it is and what it looks like; yet I'd wager that a staggering amount of IOs, CAI builds and other garbage sell over comblocs to the masses
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With the cheap surplus 54R gone, i would not buy another rifle in that caliber.

All the cheap Mosins have eat up the 54 ammo
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Keep price tag under $3k and also offer it alternativly in 7.62x51 and they will sell.
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The vast majority of people who want an AK want it for what it is and what it looks like; yet I'd wager that a staggering amount of IOs, CAI builds and other garbage sell over comblocs to the masses
At prices significantly less than preban combloc prices. That's my point. Collectors don't want non-military factory produced clones. That leaves the average shooter. They want the real thing too but they are either unable or unwilling to shell out the cash for it. That leaves clones for them and they aren't going to pay thousands for them when they can go but a tricked out Remington 700 for $1100 new that will outshoot an SVD all day long. You can't reproduce the allure of the real thing no matter how hard you try and you certainly can't ask anywhere near the price of the real thing. Keep a clone SVD under 2K and you'll get a few sales and even then people will bitch about the price and complain that it won't accept tacticool accessories. You simply are not going to accurately reproduce this:



at a reasonable price for the average shooter and collectors won't want it because it's just a pale copy. Yes, it sounds arrogant but it's not meant to be. It's just the cold hard truth.
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I know I just joined, but I've been watching this thread for awhile. The biggest problem I see from a business and manufacturing perspective is that no one seems to be thinking of contracting some of the more difficult to make components out, and focusing on solely on the parts that have to manufactured in house. that's why the rifle is initially costing $6000 almost $2000 more than I've seen the real deals go for on gunbroker.

Absolutely in house:
the receiver has to be milled in house for ATF, engraving, and QC reasons.

Stampings:
the FCG trigger assembly, reciever cover, and smaller stamped parts can be contracted out to companies that specialize in that sort of thing.

Milled and turned parts:
bolt and carrier could be contracted out but it might be more beneficial to do it in house.
FCG components are good ones to contract out because of how time consuming and the amount of operations to make them.
gas piston would be turned down along with most of the pins.
barrels would be the best to be contracted because then you could have them completely profiled and finished before they even get to the factory.

Cast parts:
Most cast parts get a bad rep because of how "other" us AK manufacturers have utilized this process to cut costs.
The FSB, and maybe even the gas block would be the best for this kind of process.

advertising, marketing, and labor to assemble the rifles would also have to be figured in when pricing the rifles too. if the rifle happened to end up under 3k I would buy one in a heartbeat but I'm very skeptical as of now.

If it were me I'd get quotes for everything I could and see if the contractors are cheaper than what I could make them for. You'd also have to figure buying the machine, having an operator, buying the material, having the material hardened if need be, etc.

but uh yeah, nice 1st post to a forum.
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Keep price tag under $3k and also offer it alternativly in 7.62x51 and they will sell.
I agree at prices under 2k. Most people want this stuff but they are simply either too cheap or too underfunded to pay for it. Hell, I remember when these things were available new at around $1600 IIRC and people complained about the cost back then. Everybody talks a lot but very few actually pony up......and they regret it later.
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Absolutely in house:
the receiver has to be milled in house for ATF, engraving, and QC reasons.
No, this does not have to happen for "ATF" reasons.

Many companies get waivers from the batboys to have their receivers manufactured by a third party.
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No, this does not have to happen for "ATF" reasons.

Many companies get waivers from the batboys to have their receivers manufactured by a third party.
huh, never knew that. I always thought the company got the unfinished receiver and then had to finish it out on their own property
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The vast majority of people who want an SVD/NDM was t it for what it is first and how it shoots second.
True. At average it is 2MOA rifle, that is horrible. Even Dragunov admitted that he was prevented from making the SVD more accurate because he vas forced to make it as light and as durable as possible, This resulted in pencil barrel and crude underpowered scope. People want to have it because of the looks and it is in the video games. No doubt a $1000 AR10 outperforms it.

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With the cheap surplus 54R gone, i would not buy another rifle in that caliber.
You would really shoot crate of cheap corrosive inconsistent surplus ammo trough your rare SVD?
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You would really shoot crate of cheap corrosive inconsistent surplus ammo trough your rare SVD?

I do. The bits are chrome plated for a reason. Just clean it properly.
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At prices significantly less than preban combloc prices. That's my point. Collectors don't want non-military factory produced clones. That leaves the average shooter. They want the real thing too but they are either unable or unwilling to shell out the cash for it. That leaves clones for them and they aren't going to pay thousands for them when they can go but a tricked out Remington 700 for $1100 new that will outshoot an SVD all day long. You can't reproduce the allure of the real thing no matter how hard you try and you certainly can't ask anywhere near the price of the real thing. Keep a clone SVD under 2K and you'll get a few sales and even then people will bitch about the price and complain that it won't accept tacticool accessories. You simply are not going to accurately reproduce this:



at a reasonable price for the average shooter and collectors won't want it because it's just a pale copy. Yes, it sounds arrogant but it's not meant to be. It's just the cold hard truth.
Very attractive rifle there.
If someone wants to produce a barrel, barrel components, front and rear stubs, etc for $1,500-$2k, as a kit or what have you, that's got a chance to sell. I'd rather see it in 308 myself.
This project seems to be well into 'tigr territory' why pay equal cost for a clone?
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This is an interesting thread.

I have been trying to work on the beginning making an SVD. I have an armorers spare parts manual that I was using. Let me know if you need firearms engineering support, or if I think it is viable, some capital. Message me!

Some small SVD parts I have modeled:


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