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Old 06-29-2016, 08:23 PM   #36
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Classic Firearms now has a full 15" rail version in stock for $539

https://www.classicfirearms.com/radi...eid=496c4d0c53
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Old 06-29-2016, 09:40 PM   #37
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I dig the look of a full length free float upper. Especially with a suppressor on the end. I was looking at that exact rifle. Lmk what you 100 yard accuracy is. I'm wondering if it's on par with the 1000$ ARs when using standard grain 223.
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Classic Firearms now has a full 15" rail version in stock for $539

https://www.classicfirearms.com/radi...eid=496c4d0c53
That's only $40 more then it was before, which is a GREAT deal guys.

They alerted me that the FGS upper on that rifle is back in stock for $339 which is $139 higher then it's previous $199 pricetag.
I told their sales Dept I was not interested, since they decided to jack the price on the upper 70% for no reason.

You can see the price of $199 still on Primary Arms, so we'll see what they do when they finally get stock back in.
This is whom I bought my other quad rail from. http://www.primaryarms.com/radical-f...10-7.62-12fgs/

I've spoken with Radical directly and they were getting 300 orders a day and having problems keeping up with orders.
That was a few months ago, but their Customer Service was absolutely amazing......impeccable.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:58 AM   #39
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I have paid for mine (complete rifle), $649. For what I have paid I think I got a lot in exchange. Mine is with full length low profile rail and heavy profile barrel. The only thing I would advise, check barrel nut for torque (mine was lose). Also, pay attention to the gas block since it isn't pinned. Other than this, after slightly over 2000 rds, rifle works fine. Recorded accuracy is below 1.5 moa with regular ammo. I'm curious to see how bolt lugs will handle themselves over next 3000 rds. Also, my rifle didn't have even 1 malfunction yet.
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Rob which rifle did you get for $650 ??

The one in your video has the basic FGS handguard and that one is usually $500.
Did you get upgrades ?? I see you put Magpul stock and a few other upgrades.
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Rob which rifle did you get for $650 ??

The one in your video has the basic FGS handguard and that one is usually $500.
Did you get upgrades ?? I see you put Magpul stock and a few other upgrades.
I got that one http://www.primaryarms.com/radical-f.../p/rf-580-ftr/

I added to it geissele trigger (DMR ), because I needed to test it, but original trigger was really good too.
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Very nice. Extended mag release and the nicer keymod rail.

I got this bad boy in 7.62x39. My only quad rail AR, but yeah they're heavier.

http://www.primaryarms.com/rfupperv1...perv1.0.16x39/
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Very nice. Extended mag release and the nicer keymod rail.

I got this bad boy in 7.62x39. My only quad rail AR, but yeah they're heavier.

http://www.primaryarms.com/rfupperv1...perv1.0.16x39/
Very cool. Also, this is what I'm thinking about now, looks very promising, just must convince Ula that we need that gun...lol

http://www.radicalfirearms.com/produ...-med-15fhr.htm
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Damn that is nice. 20" Match grade. Sweeet.

Primary Arms should be able to score it. Seems besides Atlantic they were the only one's with RF stock.
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Joeboboutfitters has the round rail models still listed for 209 but they are on order.

They also have the radical hybrid rail models for 299 in stock so it appears the round rails will be their base model.

I owned one (never shot it) before I traded it for a mak90 but the round rail was very nice especially for those of us that are occasional shooters who wont tact it out.
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I threw on an angled forgrip on my my daughters rifle.....
We are away from the house this weekend but, hopefully will get it out for some more rounds in a few days.
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Well.... my first FAILURE from the Radical Arms AR.
Got it out on the morning of the 4th for a family fun shoot.
Blasting some ammo with the wife and daughters and not really shooting for groups....
The rifle was cleaned and lubed from the last 250 rounds but, upon the firt mag it started acting up. Daughter was getting a bunch of failures to extract. Shooting it like a bolt action she then came over to my lane and told me. I tried a different mag and even better ammo than the cheap junk she was shooting and same thing... gas system was acting up.
When we got home the first thing I did was remove the rail and as I had thought... it was a gas problem.


The 2 allen screws on bottom of block were pretty loose, not sure if they backed out or were never in that well to begin with.
A quick fix once the rail was taken off but, I have never had one come loose on my with less than 500 rounds thru it.
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Did they look like they were originally locktited?
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Had the same problem, 2 drops of loctite and good to go,
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Did they look like they were originally locktited?
no not at all..... I added it though, and torqued em pretty good.
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That's only $40 more then it was before, which is a GREAT deal guys.

They alerted me that the FGS upper on that rifle is back in stock for $339 which is $139 higher then it's previous $199 pricetag.
I told their sales Dept I was not interested, since they decided to jack the price on the upper 70% for no reason.

You can see the price of $199 still on Primary Arms, so we'll see what they do when they finally get stock back in.
This is whom I bought my other quad rail from. http://www.primaryarms.com/radical-f...10-7.62-12fgs/

I've spoken with Radical directly and they were getting 300 orders a day and having problems keeping up with orders.
That was a few months ago, but their Customer Service was absolutely amazing......impeccable.
Pretty sure the $199 doesn't have a bolt or charging handle and classic's does.
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Can you pin the gas block?
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Pretty sure the $199 doesn't have a bolt or charging handle and classic's does.
Damn.....you are right.

I totally brainfarted that one and didn't even think to look. Good call.
Doesn't specify a Nitrided BCG tho like the others have, so I'd pass still.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/rf-u...15-556m4-12fgs
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Well.... my first FAILURE from the Radical Arms AR.
Got it out on the morning of the 4th for a family fun shoot.
Blasting some ammo with the wife and daughters and not really shooting for groups....
The rifle was cleaned and lubed from the last 250 rounds but, upon the firt mag it started acting up. Daughter was getting a bunch of failures to extract. Shooting it like a bolt action she then came over to my lane and told me. I tried a different mag and even better ammo than the cheap junk she was shooting and same thing... gas system was acting up.
When we got home the first thing I did was remove the rail and as I had thought... it was a gas problem.


The 2 allen screws on bottom of block were pretty loose, not sure if they backed out or were never in that well to begin with.
A quick fix once the rail was taken off but, I have never had one come loose on my with less than 500 rounds thru it.
I brought this point in my video. Gas block isn't pinned and it also stays on only by 2 screws. I have immediately marked them with red marker and I keep checking on them periodically. So far these didn't move, but when getting new rifle, put some blue loctite on screws and torque them correctly (mark them with marker as well - easy indicator to see if everything is ok).
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Well.... my first FAILURE from the Radical Arms AR.
Got it out on the morning of the 4th for a family fun shoot.
Blasting some ammo with the wife and daughters and not really shooting for groups....
The rifle was cleaned and lubed from the last 250 rounds but, upon the firt mag it started acting up. Daughter was getting a bunch of failures to extract. Shooting it like a bolt action she then came over to my lane and told me. I tried a different mag and even better ammo than the cheap junk she was shooting and same thing... gas system was acting up.
When we got home the first thing I did was remove the rail and as I had thought... it was a gas problem.


The 2 allen screws on bottom of block were pretty loose, not sure if they backed out or were never in that well to begin with.
A quick fix once the rail was taken off but, I have never had one come loose on my with less than 500 rounds thru it.

Is the gasblock supposed to be butted up against the "ledge"?
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^^^
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The 2 Alan screws were loose.....
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no not at all..... I added it though, and torqued em pretty good.
This is the trend im seeing over and over on these cheap ARs: Lack of final going-over and tightening. The most common one ive seen is unstaked castle nut coming loose. The most egregious ive seen is a loose barrel nut.

IMO the way to treat these cheap no-name ARs is as a parts kit, and spend an hour going over them to check torques, locktite, etc before use. The component quality seems good, as you would expect since most parts are all made from a handful of manufacturers anyway, but they cut corners on the assembly and final check.

Or, just get a Ruger 556 or M&P sport, whose manufacturers have the volume of sales to put out a quality product for about as cheap. Plus you get a warranty.
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Well, it happened...... Radical AR broke.

My daughter took it to the range today and I think her round count was a lil past 500 rounds and she went thru about 4 mags getting it hot and then-
Bam.



Where have we seen this before?????
Rob's video as well as another user on AR15.com so I wasn't surprised but, I am still a lil ticked.
I quickly threw in a FailSafe NiB bolt I had in a range bag and I am sure she will stick with that but, I did call and fire off an email to Radical.
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I would like to see the total bill on a $400 build.... these days.
Several years ago; sure.
I dont wanna see I got this for "free"... nothing is free, it always costs something down the road.
This Radical was $499 shipped with a $12 FFL charge (if I needed one).
I put on the MOE stuff for $42.
Palmetto State Armory Premium Classic Lower Build Kit - 29040

PSA 16" 5.56 NATO 1/7 Mid Nitride 11" M-Lok Freedom Upper - With BCG & CH - 516445314

So this was a budget floated setup i have coming this week

$389.98 with free shipping on the 4th sales, but i still need a receiver. Typically i go $29 tactical machining lowers but i think i'll lazy out on this one since it is for my girlfriend and go a $50 anderson


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My 7.5" pistol is still running strong. I'll keep an eye out for the cam pin. At least it's a cheap and easy fix.
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Palmetto State Armory Premium Classic Lower Build Kit - 29040

PSA 16" 5.56 NATO 1/7 Mid Nitride 11" M-Lok Freedom Upper - With BCG & CH - 516445314

So this was a budget floated setup i have coming this week

$389.98 with free shipping on the 4th sales, but i still need a receiver. Typically i go $29 tactical machining lowers but i think i'll lazy out on this one since it is for my girlfriend and go a $50 anderson


----Sorry i noticed later, this thread was old news-------
Yes, NOW you can find em for $500 but, not back then...... they were few and far between especially for a whole AR and not something you had to put together in separate shipments.
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Yes, NOW you can find em for $500 but, not back then...... they were few and far between especially for a whole AR and not something you had to put together in separate shipments.
Oh i know i didnt realize this was an old thread until i posted the reply
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Yes, NOW you can find em for $500 but, not back then...... they were few and far between especially for a whole AR and not something you had to put together in separate shipments.
Sorry to hear that bro. Something has always told me not to consider any other so called 'budget AR's' outside of Ruger, Aero and S&W and this reinforces that fact.
With above three, one never really hears much about critical failures when the rifle has low shot counts. The same can't be said about other 'budget' AR's.
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It's a $5 part.

Order a few BCM cam pins if you're truly worried about it failing in any Radical AR.
https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Cam-...pin%20ar15.htm

Should always have spare parts at the range IMO.
Things sometimes fail.
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It's a $5 part.

Order a few BCM cam pins if you're truly worried about it failing in any Radical AR.
https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Cam-...pin%20ar15.htm

Should always have spare parts at the range IMO.
Things sometimes fail.
Yea, cheap fix.... It is not that I do not have others BCGs and parts laying around.
Radical did email me this morning but, they want the original receipt to send me a new pin (which I gotta see if I can dig up).....
I think I would rather stick with a different pin like Colt or the one you listed above though.

Centerfire Systems does have the rifles listed as $419.99 now though ha-ha.
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It's a $5 part.

Order a few BCM cam pins if you're truly worried about it failing in any Radical AR.
https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Cam-...pin%20ar15.htm

Should always have spare parts at the range IMO.
Things sometimes fail.
But thats just it they cheaped out on a cheap part and its doing more damage to their reputation then anything. They can say all they want about in shop, heat treated processes and what not. I would never trust anything they say, that includes the HP/MPI testing IMHO.

But this is 3 broken cam pins and 2 snapped bolt documented while Ive yet to see Aero, Ruger, and Freedom BCG fail at that rate or at all.

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Another classic example of "you get what you pay for." Sure, it's a cheap part, but if they can't produce that cheap part properly what makes you think the rest of it is built to better quality standards?
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I'm seriously taking a look at some of their 16" uppers they offer on the website. Hell, might even get back into 300blk. Pretty good prices for uppers without BCG or CH. Besides, probably be a bit safer using my own BCG after seeing this thread.
I bought a complete 300BLK pistol directly through Radical Firearms in 2015 and have nothing bad to say about it or the company. Ran 400 rounds through it without issues before trading it off. I would consider Radical Firearms and Primary Arms very closely related if not one and the same. Radical can probably drive a crate full of rifles across the road with a forklift to Primary.
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