In what ways is 5.45 better than 5.56?

[AKBLUE]

Originally Posted by chknfkr

Did you know you can buy barrels to make any 5.56 AK, and many other rifles 5.45?

As many AKs are converted from 5.56 to 5.45 as 5.45 to 5.56. I have one that began as a 5.56 rifle and converted to 5.45. There are even guys on here with 5.45 Galils, Valmets, VZs, SKSs, ARs, etc...
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No.,there are very few 5.56 AK's to start with.

Chinese or Arsenal 5.56 converted to 5.45., nope.
WASR or SAR 3., never hear of that.
Beryl converted from 5.56 to 5.45 nope.

On this site many threads on 5,45 Bulgarians converted to 5.56 ., = yes.

The only conversions and maybe a few dozen were the 5.56 RPK's converted to RPK 74's. AFAIK.

5.45 SKS., hmm., a rare bird indeed.

No need to "convert" an AR., just get an extra upper and add a plug n play barrel, bolt and mag in several calibers.


AKBuilder makes Tantal and AK74 pattern barrels to convert 5.45 to 5.56. Not the other way round.

gimmeabreak.

[1biggun]

Originally Posted by Orpheus

Lots of guys built ARs in 5.45 back when it was .12 a round....was a wise move at the time

Yeap cheap surplus corrosive ammo was the one advantage the 5.45 had in this country .

Just like the 7.62x25 was popular for some due to cost.
At least brass is available for the x25. I wish I had a bunch.

[high powered hk ar47]

Megyn Kelly's next episode should be "Horrors of the Poison bullet" and she could interview someone about why 5.45 is bad and linked to Russian aggression against US interests, from Bin Laden to the Moderate Syrians

it would fit the theme of her horrible interviews with Putin and Alex Jones

[Billlyb]

Russia's new battle firearm ak 12 isn't it a 5.45 or I read it wrong ??
easy if i'm wrong

[Semperfimac77]

Originally Posted by Billlyb

Russia's new battle firearm ak 12 isn't it a 5.45 or I read it wrong ??
easy if i'm wrong

It IS 5.45

[1biggun]

Didn't they abort it ??

[Semperfimac77]

Originally Posted by 1biggun

Didn't they abort it ??

I thought they replaced it with a another "AK-12", that has more in common with the AK-100 series? I could be mistaken.

[Sigiloso]

If 5.45 is as tenacious as this thread is, we should have no worries over its demise.

[1biggun]

Originally Posted by Semperfimac77

I thought they replaced it with a another "AK-12", that has more in common with the AK-100 series? I could be mistaken.

Yea I don't recall. Just read some were it got stopped.

I saw federal ammo in 223 for under 30 cents (28 cents) today. Im thinking about a couple cases . It will be about 200% more accurate than 5.45 in most of my 223 guns.

[AK-ula]

I will just stick to my 10mm M41A pulse rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT90YzPIhVE

How are you going to kill xenomorphs with a .22?

10mm is ALWAYS going to be around, Gimme a break.

MJ

[RMiller]

I bought the penginiduck.

I've renounced Putin.

I own an AR.

FBI flipped me.

Still, fuck you Sig.

Oh and 1biggun, you're alright, and thanks for PMing me to wish my newborn son well. Much appreciated.

[SAIGA 5.45]

Originally Posted by RMiller

I bought the penginiduck.

I've renounced Putin.

I own an AR.

FBI flipped me.

Still, fuck you Sig.

Oh and 1biggun, you're alright, and thanks for PMing me to wish my newborn son well. Much appreciated.

I shoulda let you shoot that penguiduck this paste weekend, it tastes really good.


And Sig can eat a baguette of dicks.

[RMiller]

Originally Posted by SAIGA 5.45

I shoulda let you shoot that penguiduck this paste weekend, it tastes really good.


And Sig can eat a baguette of dicks.

My father surprised me Sunday with a birthday present from Palmetto.

Nice $400 freedom rifle combo.

It is begging for a PA 1-6 ACSS Scope.

The same way the WASR 10 is begging for a x3 Prism Scope.

Gotta save my pennies.

[crotalus]

RMiller I had no idea you had one on the way. Congrats!

[SAIGA 5.45]

Originally Posted by RMiller

My father surprised me Sunday with a birthday present from Palmetto.

Nice $400 freedom rifle combo.

It is begging for a PA 1-6 ACSS Scope.

The same way the WASR 10 is begging for a x3 Prism Scope.

Gotta save my pennies.

That's a good birthday then, awesome stuff.

[RMiller]

Originally Posted by SAIGA 5.45

That's a good birthday then, awesome stuff.

I was thoroughly surprised. I told the woman to take note. That I needed something in .40 Short and Weak by next year, since mattyz28 gave me a complex on the dueling tree.

[SAIGA 5.45]

Originally Posted by RMiller

I was thoroughly surprised. I told the woman to take note. That I needed something in .40 Short and Weak by next year, since mattyz28 gave me a complex on the dueling tree.

Yeah it's either that or a 45, my 124 +P was fine as long as I hit the outside half. FWIW I think he had some half turned ones from inside hits as well.


Granted I was shooting out of a 3.5 inch barrel so I don't know how a full size 5 inch would fare.

[1biggun]

Originally Posted by RMiller

I bought the penginiduck.

I've renounced Putin.

I own an AR.

FBI flipped me.

Still, fuck you Sig.

Oh and 1biggun, you're alright, and thanks for PMing me to wish my newborn son well. Much appreciated.

In the end were all gun guys.
Some just make better choices

How is mom and baby doing?
Have you got him a AK yet? Should I send a 223 mag so he can get started right.
Hope you and the family had a good 4th. Enjoy it ,time Flys and then there not kids any more.

Watch those ARs there addictive at the price level.
I keep starting new build piles for them every time I see a deal.
Last week ot was $59 BCG"s

[Gorek]

Aside from ever so slightly less recoil and scarcity of 5.56 ak parts, 5.45 isnt better than 5.56 plain and simple.


5.45 ballistic gel tests online arent that impressive, including the VMAX cartridge. I'm miles more impressed with 8M3 7.62x39 or even Federal Fusion 7.62x39. Those are truely devastating rounds and the proof is in the ballistic gel videos on youtube. 5.56 also outshines the 5.45 in gel tests and is more readily available in literally any load configuration that youre looking for.

Also, im still waiting to see the "devastating limb destroying" effects of this magical round. No one has been able to provide me with a real wound cavity profile, aside from the picture of the young soldier who was grazed by a supposed 5.45 bullet.
Also, think about it logically....pull a bullet out of a 5.45 cartridge and measure the length..that is the maximum length it can create a wound cavity with. Theres no magical force behind the bullet. It goes in, and hopefully tumbles. Even then, the bullet will make a wound profile reminiscent of a cut from a knife since no fragentation is involved.

5.56, when it works, is much better because of its fragmentation. Some say "if it works", but that problem mostly arises with FMJ and last time i checked, im not required to follow international convention orders when defending my home, and am able to use hollow points/special loads.

I like the concept of the 5.45 exiting in a competely different flight path than how it entered. Shoot something head-on and it could leave the designated target at 3 o'clock. This characteristic has been documented many a times through animal wounds from hunting and also gel tests.


The only thing unverifiable of the round is the ballistics of the 7N22 round, something unaquirable in the US to begin with.

[ryanr256]

5.45 is better than 5.56 because I have an RPK-74, a fixed stock AK-74 and an AKS-74U clone, 150+ magazines and 25,000+ rounds of 5.45.

I have nothing in 5.56.

That's what makes it better.

-Bob

[WAguns]

Originally Posted by Gorek

Aside from ever so slightly less recoil and scarcity of 5.56 ak parts, 5.45 isnt better than 5.56 plain and simple.


5.45 ballistic gel tests online arent that impressive, including the VMAX cartridge. I'm miles more impressed with 8M3 7.62x39 or even Federal Fusion 7.62x39. Those are truely devastating rounds and the proof is in the ballistic gel videos on youtube. 5.56 also outshines the 5.45 in gel tests and is more readily available in literally any load configuration that youre looking for.

Also, im still waiting to see the "devastating limb destroying" effects of this magical round. No one has been able to provide me with a real wound cavity profile, aside from the picture of the young soldier who was grazed by a supposed 5.45 bullet.
Also, think about it logically....pull a bullet out of a 5.45 cartridge and measure the length..that is the maximum length it can create a wound cavity with. Theres no magical force behind the bullet. It goes in, and hopefully tumbles. Even then, the bullet will make a wound profile reminiscent of a cut from a knife since no fragentation is involved.

5.56, when it works, is much better because of its fragmentation. Some say "if it works", but that problem mostly arises with FMJ and last time i checked, im not required to follow international convention orders when defending my home, and am able to use hollow points/special loads.

I like the concept of the 5.45 exiting in a competely different flight path than how it entered. Shoot something head-on and it could leave the designated target at 3 o'clock. This characteristic has been documented many a times through animal wounds from hunting and also gel tests.


The only thing unverifiable of the round is the ballistics of the 7N22 round, something unaquirable in the US to begin with.

I can tell you from personal experience hunting in AZ, that 7n6 5.45 is more devastating on javelina than Wolf Gold 5.56, both from 16" barrels.

[mherzog]

Zombie alert

[RMiller]

Somebody head shoot this Zambie.

[PewPewDie]

5.45 backwards is 54.5

[1biggun]

Why hunt with wolf gold or any wolf ammoanything when so many better choices are avaliable in 5.56.?

[josey088]

I have been always concerned about the availability of foreign ammo .
5.56x45 is an ammo that will always be plentiful in this country , so when I had the choice of getting a Saiga on 5.45 or on .223/5.56 I chose the .223/5.56 .
I don`t have any worries about ammo .

[WAguns]

Originally Posted by 1biggun

Why hunt with wolf gold or any wolf ammoanything when so many better choices are avaliable in 5.56.?

because it's what I stock/shoot. It wasn't some big planned hunt. Basically pest control, the javelinas were acting aggressively towards my grandmothers dogs so we grabbed some rifles and shot them.

[RMiller]

Originally Posted by SAIGA 5.45

Yeah it's either that or a 45, my 124 +P was fine as long as I hit the outside half. FWIW I think he had some half turned ones from inside hits as well.


Granted I was shooting out of a 3.5 inch barrel so I don't know how a full size 5 inch would fare.

115g Standard pressure FMJ here.

I had an issue with a plate swinging halfway a few times and leaning out while trying to stay in the square, shooting a pistol at a sliver of a plate, is a bit challenging and frustrating.

At the moment I'm just open to anything. The right pistol will come along.

Originally Posted by 1biggun

In the end were all gun guys.
Some just make better choices

How is mom and baby doing?
Have you got him a AK yet? Should I send a 223 mag so he can get started right.
Hope you and the family had a good 4th. Enjoy it ,time Flys and then there not kids any more.

Watch those ARs there addictive at the price level.
I keep starting new build piles for them every time I see a deal.
Last week ot was $59 BCG"s

Both are doing great.

While I'm contemplating building a 5.56 AK off a Bulgy AK74 Kit, I am thinking both will get an AR with how cheap they are right now. PSA freedom's are a great deal.

[voron]

Originally Posted by WAguns

I can tell you from personal experience hunting in AZ, that 7n6 5.45 is more devastating on javelina than Wolf Gold 5.56, both from 16" barrels.

this man gets it

[1biggun]

B

oth are doing great.*

While I'm contemplating building a 5.56 AK off a Bulgy AK74 Kit, I am thinking both will get an AR with how cheap they are right now. PSA freedom's are a great deal.

The worst that happens if you do a 223 on a AK74 kit is you don't like it and your out $75 or so for the barrel that you sell off .

Some of the cheap AR stuff is a good deal and some is a PITA.
I just had to send back a entire upper that had issues.
Seemed like a deal but not so much.
Glad the family is doing good. Enjoy it.

[Sabre5G]

All Bullets tumble. I like 5.45 but I think 5.56 and 5.45 suck past 500 yards once a small gust of wind kicks in, it can blow either round feet off target. I like the 5.45 a bit better since it is lower pressure and does better out of shorter barrels.

308 for the win.

[voron]

wtf is this shit back? I thought someone bought the penguinduck?

[chknfkr]

The penguiduck has been converted to 5.45 and cured of the NATO dissease.

[1biggun]

Actualy since this thread started the importation of rifles is near zero and things in Russia have been sanctioned.
The 5.45 is in worse standing more than ever as far as becoming more popular. While in the mean time 223 rifles are at the lowest prices in 15 years or more other than AK'S that are trendy right now.

I think 5.45 ammo might be a wise financial investment maybe

[PORTER]

Originally Posted by 1biggun

I think 5.45 ammo might be a wise financial investment maybe

Tho I don't have a desire to get into the 74 market, I think your statement may be worth looking into.