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Old 01-12-2018, 10:10 AM   #36
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Make one in 10mm!
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:10 AM   #37
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I'll keep an eye on this.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:20 AM   #38
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Lolz.

But I hope PSA knocks this one out of the park. The MP5 prices are insane for a stamped steel and cast parts that are welded together.
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PSA... didn't they try making AKs once?
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If the price point isn't too bad I'd be in, I've been wanting to build/get a 9mm ak for a while, but a mp5 would be cool too.
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PSA... didn't they try making AKs once?
Still do, and if you don’t have OCD and can live with a little growing pains, they are the best (actually) American made Kalashnikov on the market.

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Old 01-12-2018, 11:13 AM   #42
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This is an interesting development. They hit a good price point, with something that is quality made, dependable and durable and I might be in for a gen 2.
Me 2...no way am I going for one of the 1st gen models. After the fiasco they had with the AK and then the BHO 9mm AR's...no thanks for the future headaches.
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:19 PM   #43
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If these are under a grand I will definitely get one. I wonder, will they come with a baby mag, or a 30round, and will there be a watch cap included.
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Instead of doing another MP5 they need to do an AK 9mm that takes MP5 mags, straight up with no stupid mag options or other douchebaggery.
There are already established MP producers that put out a solid functional gun.
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:45 PM   #45
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Yet another PSA fail.. Wake me up in 2 years when it's over
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:38 PM   #46
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PSA stated they’d be in the $800 price point and won’t be to market until early 2019.

If PTR comes to the market with a reverse stretch for less than $1k...I’m down for one
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:17 PM   #47
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Side question, doesn't H&K usually try and sue everyone who attempts to make "clones" of their rifles?
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I am going to wait and see that said if they manged to bring it in under 1k and it is sear ready ( ie no major welding and modding needed like some of the import gun) and it works I would def be done as having a no 922r needed sear ready gun under 2k would be a nice thing ...Double better if they make it in 10mm or 45acp or the like ..That would be a big plus

But based on there other non AR work ie AK and some what 1911 I will def wait and see a good long while first
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If its sub $1000 with a decent build quality, PSA will clean up.
I'm still in the air regarding these 9mm subgun pistols/carbines.
Sure the old style platforms are cool/ tried and true, but this has been stuck in my head for a while now. So fugly but bad ass at the same time.
F'ing decisions man!

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Still do, and if you don’t have OCD and can live with a little growing pains, they are the best (actually) American made Kalashnikov on the market.

IMO.
Got one of the Gen2 Liberty models and cannot be more happy with it.
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If its sub $1000 with a decent build quality, PSA will clean up.
I'm still in the air regarding these 9mm subgun pistols/carbines.
Sure the old style platforms are cool/ tried and true, but this has been stuck in my head for a while now. So fugly but bad ass at the same time.
F'ing decisions man!

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:39 PM   #52
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If its sub $1000 with a decent build quality, PSA will clean up.
I'm still in the air regarding these 9mm subgun pistols/carbines.
Sure the old style platforms are cool/ tried and true, but this has been stuck in my head for a while now. So fugly but bad ass at the same time.
F'ing decisions man!
I love my Scorpion. One of my favorite guns to shoot. Haven't met anyone that has shot mine that hasn't liked it or been impressed with it and its accuracy. I don't think it looks bad stock at all, but obviously looks better with a suppressor and extended hand guard.

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Shot Show should be interesting this year I am sure there are few other 9mm Surprises that will be dropped......
Stop acting like the stripper that says she will go home with you.

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I love my Scorpion. One of my favorite guns to shoot. Haven't met anyone that has shot mine that hasn't liked it or been impressed with it and its accuracy. I don't think it looks bad stock at all, but obviously looks better with a suppressor and extended hand guard.

Make it a foldable brace and I would be all over that! If this won't be released for another year I might as well go ahead and pick one the CZ's up. By the time I'm ready to buy, hopefully all the bugs will be worked out.
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The CZ is a fine gun and as built by the Czechs and the price it will be a better deal that a domestic MP5. The bugs have already been worked out of the Scorpion ��

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The CZ is a fine gun and as built by the Czechs and the price it will be a better deal that a domestic MP5. The bugs have already been worked out of the Scorpion ��

Roller locked > direct blowback any day of the week
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The MP5 market is not anywhere near as large as the AR or AK market.
That's because an entry level AR or AK is $500 or even less. When THE "entry level" is $1200+ no one should be surprised that many people don't get into them. Once upon a time a computer cost over two grand and unsurprisingly the market was small, once the price dropped they sold like hotcakes.

A 50+ year old stamped metal subgun shouldn't cost over a grand. Especially since new designs such as the Scorpion EVO cost 2/3 or less. Get that price down closer to reality and they will sell.
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Roller locked > direct blowback any day of the week
Yeah I know, got plenty of them and it’s really only when it come select fire. In semi it’s a moot point. The point is the CZ is made by the Czechs in their factory and they have made buttloads and they are well tried and true.
A domestic company that have never made roller locks runs a huge risk of a making these with many issues plus they will be way more expensive than the CZ. Research Todd Bailey and Special Weapons. That’s the point.
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[QUOTE=ddnc;4414141]Yeah I know, got plenty of them and it’s really only when it come select fire. In semi it’s a moot point. The point is the CZ is made by the Czechs in their factory and they have made buttloads and they are well tried and true.
A domestic company that have never made roller locks runs a huge risk of a making these with many issues plus they will be way more expensive than the CZ. Research Todd Bailey and Special Weapons. That’s the point.[/QUOTE

I'm willing to gamble on a Psa @ there price point. 1 yr out ;(

Ptr I assume will be a wee bit more spendy, but in my opinion worth it. 9 days . I trust ptr, ptr = viable low cost alternative to the ultra high priced outdated heavy for caliber roller-lock goodness that I love. .
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PSA in-store staff just told me they’ll be built on HK surplus parts kits and PTR is assisting with the project.
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PSA in-store staff just told me they’ll be built on HK surplus parts kits and PTR is assisting with the project.
That is very good news, thanks for the info. To bad psa is 1 year out according to the owner. I'm prolly gonna take a swing at one, the alleged price point is too good to pass up.
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PSA in-store staff just told me they’ll be built on HK surplus parts kits and PTR is assisting with the project.
HK surplus parts kits, and we're supposed to believe sub 1k? Where are they getting those parts kits from and if psa can crank out a rifle sub 1k why are HK kits 1,500+
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Where are they getting those parts kits from and if psa can crank out a rifle sub 1k why are HK kits 1,500+
The word you're looking for is "profit".
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HK surplus parts kits, and we're supposed to believe sub 1k? Where are they getting those parts kits from and if psa can crank out a rifle sub 1k why are HK kits 1,500+
The cynical part of me says:

If they're under $1k they will be problematic.

If they're over $1k then why not spend a bit more and get one built on HK licensed equipment or a kit build from a reputable vendor?

I want to believe but remember when they were doing 1911s? Yeah, that went nowhere fast. Then they got into AKs and they're priced right but hit-miss with problems.
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Rep on AR15.com denies this. Which account is correct I wonder.
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I guess it's all gonna come down to price point. I think MP5s aren't as plentiful as other PCCs because of the cost. Evos are taking over cause they're affordable, that's why I bought one. I'd buy a sub $1k PSA MP5 too.

I hope this works, I used to have a PTR rifle and had no issues. So it's not impossible to build a good roller locker for under a grand. And PSA has the resources to produce this on a big scale. An MP5 pistol with a brace is gonna be a first class ticket for a handful of change.

I've had great luck with PSA's budget ARs, IMHO the best choice for budget builds.

I know their AKs aren't great, but there are also a lot of US made AKs that are in the same low grade category. The overseas comblock factories are already set up to make them the right way. And if you have to charge Arsenal prices for a 'proper' US made AK you'll probably not sell a lot.
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We are a long time vendor for PTR and do not believe that PTR is working with PSA at this time they would have no reason to do this . IF PTR was going to offer a 9mm based product they would offer it for sale directly as a PTR product and not supply a possible competitor to a model they may offer.
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Psa, make it in 10mm! Thats alot of gun for a dinky 9. Long barrel 10mm would be awesome.
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At this point I assume people behind the counter don't have all the info.
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