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Old 01-10-2018, 04:43 PM   #36
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A good, direct and simple question needs but one good, direct and simple answer....Mossberg (590 and/or 590-A1). I was raised with Remington, but will die with Mossberg.
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Mossberg for me. Family owned, lightweight, open feed ramp, shoots aguila mini's, dual extractors, priced right. My buddy had to swap out the extractor on his 870 after 15yrs of heavy use. Both have solid track records along with leo and mil use.
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Older 500 (80's-early 90's) over either a new 500 or 870.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:18 PM   #39
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I'd go for the 590 because I love tang safeties.

An older Police should be a great gun still though.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:56 PM   #40
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I was at a gun show circa 1985, and a guy had a table piled high with old security company riot guns...piled three layers deep. Your choice, $75.
I found a beat up Mossberg 500 on the bottom of the pile....wood stocks scarred and scratched, barrel had been painted OD, half the paint missing...Oh, and the barrel had been 26”, according to the markings...nicely shortened to 18”.
Interestingly, it was marked “Revelation”, for Western Auto, a company line made by Mossberg.
It has had many, many rounds of 00 buck and slug through it. The only jams it ever had resulted from the ejector screw backing out, causing weak ejection. Some loktite cured that, and to be fair, it happened after decades of use.
Over the years, I’ve set it up in different ways. Had it as a folder for a while. Then, a birds head pistol grip like shockwave has now.
I even had a 8 shot tube and 20” barrel for a while. But, it made the shotgun a little more unwieldy and heavy...I missed the fast handling 18” barrel.
Currently, I have it set up with a Hogue 12” LOP stock and also their overmolded forend. I wanted to make it as short as I could, and still have a usable buttstock. Took some practice to get used to the short stock and learn to hold it properly.
I load it with Federal low recoil #1 buck, but in reality, I’d be satisfied with just about any buckshot load in it. I’ve shot full power #1, #4, and 00, and have some of all three.
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I love my 500.....i made sure when I got it it was used as fuck.....purposely bought a dealer demo that was scratched to shit and was pumped thousands of times as it traveled across the country to various shops / shows........in its form at the time it did what it needed to do and ran flawlessly, action was smooth as hell since it was so used. Of course as time went on I cerakoted it and added a bunch of other shit..........now its a BEAST......only negative to the 500 is the 5+1 capacity and the cost involved to add a mag extension, other than that, they are good old reliable pump shotguns
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Actually, Mossies will always feel looser/"rattle" more by design. To prevent undo wear in aluminium receiver from steel action bars...
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I'm an 870 guy.
I don't hate the Mossies. But they are the white trash of the shotgun trailer park.
If you want the perfect shotty, get someone to make a Mossie in all steel. Everything plastic and aluminum, make it steel. They would own the free world. Oh, and do the double action rod like they used to do, not that cheap shit Maverick 1 rod peened into plastic bullshit.
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So I was at the local fun shop today and was looking at a couple of shotguns for home defence. They had a Police turn in Rem 870 with a 18" barrel and black plastic stock or a Mossberg 590A1 18" barrel but this one will accept 3" shell's. Both are about the same condition and same price. Any reason to pick one over the other? I have fired the same models at other times.

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I don’t want a steel receiver...the Mossberg is steel where it needs to be...the barrel and bolt.
Mine being older, it has the traditional action bar attachment. It also has an older, all metal safety.
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I'm an 870 guy.
I don't hate the Mossies. But they are the white trash of the shotgun trailer park.
If you want the perfect shotty, get someone to make a Mossie in all steel. Everything plastic and aluminum, make it steel. They would own the free world. Oh, and do the double action rod like they used to do, not that cheap shit Maverick 1 rod peened into plastic bullshit.
Lol. Only if i knew there were such things as elegant/sophisticated/refined "PUMP" shotties. Hell, my shotty terminology would disqualify me alone for such heirlooms . Tbh.. a1p.. i thought the same of all "pump" shotguns until my mid 30's.. luckily i use different benchmarks/logic now.
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I'm an 870 guy.
I don't hate the Mossies. But they are the white trash of the shotgun trailer park.
If you want the perfect shotty, get someone to make a Mossie in all steel. Everything plastic and aluminum, make it steel. They would own the free world. Oh, and do the double action rod like they used to do, not that cheap shit Maverick 1 rod peened into plastic bullshit.
Fairly certain Mossberg does own the shotgun world.
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Iím not so sure. Remingtonís customer service is so terrible, Iíd go Mossberg. I ordered a walnut stock on sale from Remington before Black Friday. They sent a scratch and dented one. I returned and I still havenít received my new one. Numerous phone calls, always on hold, told me they have shipped it twice. 7-10 days is always the answer. I will never purchase from their store ever again !
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I'm an 870 guy.
I don't hate the Mossies. But they are the white trash of the shotgun trailer park.
If you want the perfect shotty, get someone to make a Mossie in all steel.
Everything plastic and aluminum, make it steel. They would own the free world.
Oh, and do the double action rod like they used to do,
not that cheap shit Maverick 1 rod peened into plastic bullshit.
BROTHER the Mossberg 590A1 IS ALL STEELw/ a heavier,thicker BBL &
even the trigger guard& safety button
AND it has DUAL ACTION BARS, in STEEL TO STEEL mount
w/the foreend slid on & cap SCREWED down TIGHT ,
.......is .U.S. STEEL ......and the ONLY Shotgun to pass US ARMY / USMC
Mil-Spec 3443E test,
"a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot".



I have both Moss M500Slugster & M590A1
Never had ANY trouble with either & I don't baby my workin' guns
that 500'Slugster' has had noBS probably better than 2,000rounds thru it [had it since 77/78]
{30"Fullchoke,vnt rib BBL& 18-1/2"CYL. choke slugBBL M500slugster}

The 590A1 is even tougher & much better built haven't had it as long
,but I've wrung it out with HEAVY MAGNUM Buckshot & slug loads
FED. WIN. & BRENNEKE MAGNUM & #oo, #4BUCK MAGNUM loads ....it's a KILLER,
I'd bet my LIFE on that 590 like I would a certain Kalash...........
some of my Best Buds are WHITE TRASH ......tough motherfuckers

I put a PACHMAYR D-Cellerator rubber FOREND from a "VINDICATOR" kit on
& a superbrite FLO. Green fibre optic bead on,& a SIDESADDLE 6 shot shellholder

With the 4in the "speedfeed Buttstk",6in the Sidesaddle, 5 in a buttstockband,
8inthe gun[ext'd. +1tube& magspring trick]23rds instantly available....
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Cool, I did not know that. This may be the most perfect shotgun.
Thanks for the heads up.

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BROTHER the Mossberg 590A1 IS ALL STEELw/ a heavier,thicker BBL &
even the trigger guard& safety button
AND it has DUAL ACTION BARS, in STEEL TO STEEL mount
w/the foreend slid on & cap SCREWED down TIGHT ,
.......is .U.S. STEEL ......and the ONLY Shotgun to pass US ARMY / USMC
Mil-Spec 3443E test,
"a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot".



I have both Moss M500Slugster & M590A1
Never had ANY trouble with either & I don't baby my workin' guns
that 500 has had noBS probably better than 2,000rounds thru it [had it since 77/78]

The 590A1 is even tougher & much better built haven't had it as long
,but I've wrung it out with HEAVY MAGNUM Buckshot & slug loads
FED. WIN. & BRENNEKE MAGNUM & #oo, #4BUCK MAGNUM loads ....it's a KILLER,
I'd bet my LIFE on that 590 like I would a certain Kalash...........
some of my Best Buds are WHITE TRASH ......tough motherfuckers

I put a PACHMAYR D-Cellerator rubber FOREND from a "VINDICATOR" kit on
& a superbrite FLO. Green fibre optic bead on,& a SIDESADDLE 6 shot shellholder

With the 4in the "speedfeed Buttstk",6in the Sidesaddle, 5 in a buttstockband,
8inthe gun[ext'd. +1tube& magspring trick]23rds instantly available....
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BROTHER the Mossberg 590A1 IS ALL STEELw/ a heavier,thicker BBL &
even the trigger guard& safety button
AND it has DUAL ACTION BARS, in STEEL TO STEEL mount
w/the foreend slid on & cap SCREWED down TIGHT ,
.......is .U.S. STEEL ......and the ONLY Shotgun to pass US ARMY / USMC
Mil-Spec 3443E test,
"a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot".



I have both Moss M500Slugster & M590A1
Never had ANY trouble with either & I don't baby my workin' guns
that 500 has had noBS probably better than 2,000rounds thru it [had it since 77/78]

The 590A1 is even tougher & much better built haven't had it as long
,but I've wrung it out with HEAVY MAGNUM Buckshot & slug loads
FED. WIN. & BRENNEKE MAGNUM & #oo, #4BUCK MAGNUM loads ....it's a KILLER,
I'd bet my LIFE on that 590 like I would a certain Kalash...........
some of my Best Buds are WHITE TRASH ......tough motherfuckers

I put a PACHMAYR D-Cellerator rubber FOREND from a "VINDICATOR" kit on
& a superbrite FLO. Green fibre optic bead on,& a SIDESADDLE 6 shot shellholder

With the 4in the "speedfeed Buttstk",6in the Sidesaddle, 5 in a buttstockband,
8inthe gun[ext'd. +1tube& magspring trick]23rds instantly available....
I believe you are wrong. The 590a1 still uses an aluminum receiver.
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I have both... some things I have noticed, if the shell extractor breaks on an 870, and sometimes they do it basically turns it into a paperweight, the rivets are expensive to fix, it's a pretty bad design, Google it. Then an issue with the mossy, if you get something stuck in the mag tube, it's a beast to get off to let the spring out, it's locktighted in and you have to use a tortch to heat it up to remove... On the 870 you just unscrew the cap to take the spring out. Those are my gripes about both platforms.
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Not sure if anyone mentioned it but if you buy an 870 they now come with a lifetime warranty. Take that for what it's worth since who knows how long Remington will be around, but it's still good to have for the time being. I bought a 28" 870 recently for $264 brand new. Only thing I'm doing to it is changing the crap extractor and replacing it with one from Midway USA and then hydro dipping it.
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Then an issue with the mossy, if you get something stuck in the mag tube, it's a beast to get off to let the spring out, it's locktighted in and you have to use a tortch to heat it up to remove... On the 870 you just unscrew the cap to take the spring out. Those are my gripes about both platforms.
On my 500 I can simply unscrew the mag tube from the receiver without much effort
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On my 500 I can simply unscrew the mag tube from the receiver without much effort
I have heard sometimes they are easier to get off than others.
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Cool, I did not know that. This may be the most perfect shotgun.
Thanks for the heads up.
WE'll shoot hell out of it sometime.........

PS and to address the guy above's comment 590A1s have a STEEL receiver ;M590A1 [stamped right into lft side of RCVR]
is the ONLY shotgun to pass the military tests........lookin' at my M590A1 with a magnet stuck to the receiver as I type.........

I actually OWN two MOSSBERGS AS I SAID IN ABOVE POSTS......M500w/aluminumRCVR & M590A1w/STEEL RCVR
STD. 590s have Aluminum.....590A1s have STEEL as demanded by U.S. Army& USMC
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My favorite stocked shotgun is a Mossberg 590A1 with an 18.5" barrel and ghost ring sights. My favorite "firearm" is the Tac-14 that I replaced my old Mossberg Shockwave with. I replaced it due to wanting a quality folding stock (Remington LEO only metal top-folding stock) vs the shitty ATI polymer rip-off.

HOWEVER .... my Tac-14 finish is absolute garbage. It starts rusting if you breathe on it. I am still going to SBS it, but am looking into cerakote.
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My favorite stocked shotgun is a Mossberg 590A1 with an 18.5" barrel and ghost ring sights. My favorite "firearm" is the Tac-14 that I replaced my old Mossberg Shockwave with. I replaced it due to wanting a quality folding stock (Remington LEO only metal top-folding stock) vs the shitty ATI polymer rip-off.

HOWEVER .... my Tac-14 finish is absolute garbage. It starts rusting if you breathe on it. I am still going to SBS it, but am looking into cerakote.
I have an old MB 500 Cruiser that I bought in college in the late 1980's. I used to walk out my back door in Raleigh and shoot that thing in the woods almost daily. I was always looking for odd/fun things to bring home to shoot in the woods. Thousands of shells through it with no issue. It is still my go to for HD.

I have a Serbu Super Shorty 870 that I like a lot.

I bought a Tac-14 last year and I am waiting on the SBS stamp. I like it, but the finish is very weak. I will probably look into cerakote too.
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WE'll shoot hell out of it sometime.........

PS and to address the guy above's comment 590A1s have a STEEL receiver ;M590A1 [stamped right into lft side of RCVR]
is the ONLY shotgun to pass the military tests........lookin' at my M590A1 with a magnet stuck to the receiver as I type.........

I actually OWN two MOSSBERGS AS I SAID IN ABOVE POSTS......M500w/aluminumRCVR & M590A1w/STEEL RCVR
STD. 590s have Aluminum.....590A1s have STEEL as demanded by U.S. Army& USMC
The 590a1 is not a steel receiver!
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I just tested mine with a magnet, no sticky!
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PS and to address the guy above's comment 590A1s have a STEEL receiver ;M590A1 [stamped right into lft side of RCVR]
is the ONLY shotgun to pass the military tests........lookin' at my M590A1 with a magnet stuck to the receiver as I type.........

I actually OWN two MOSSBERGS AS I SAID IN ABOVE POSTS......M500w/aluminumRCVR & M590A1w/STEEL RCVR
STD. 590s have Aluminum.....590A1s have STEEL as demanded by U.S. Army& USMC
.... And it is sticking due to the steel parts inside. The receiver is aluminum.
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