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Old 08-14-2018, 03:37 PM   #106
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Cool they are coming in but they are still sold on the secondary market for $1700 all day long with no one wanting them. I cannot justiy $1.5k for a rifle such as this with all the horror stories I've heard with the accuracy and such. Wish I had one, but again just too expensive too me now.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:29 PM   #107
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I`m waiting to see the "US PSL", you all know Century is thinking about it. Only way you`ll see one for sub-$1000!
And it will be garbage. You get what you pay for....

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They're 2k because fools will pay it. Importers are screwing us bad this past year.
Like Atlantic said, overseas arsenals are fulfilling military contracts that are more lucrative. To sell to us means they have to not only charge more to make it worth their while to set aside a few to build specifically for the U.S. market but have to make it legal for our special snowflake import laws, the worst when it comes to firearm-owning countries.

Combined with several other factors of more folks being into Combloc guns thanks to video games and forums like this raising demand, terrible import laws making it not as profitable as before, bans, relying solely on tiny Eastern European countries that don't have the industrial output like Russia and China to keep up with demand while keeping prices low, tariffs, the end of the Cold War almost 30 years ago and the finite supply that didn't all come here, rising labor costs, devaluation of our currency, plus the fact the AR seems to be the only "affordable" rifle anymore since it doesn't require much human labor to build (put it in a CNC machine and call it a day), easy to assemble, uses a lot of aluminum which is stupid cheap, and a shit ton of them out there, what can one expect from the current paradigm?

From here on out the AR will be the only cheap, affordable rifle based on the above factors I mentioned. We have to build new rifles from here on out to keep up with the supply and demand that we used to coast on with surplus in the past. Being an AK fan it breaks my heart but the truth is what it is.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:50 PM   #108
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And it will be garbage. You get what you pay for....



Like Atlantic said, overseas arsenals are fulfilling military contracts that are more lucrative. To sell to us means they have to not only charge more to make it worth their while to set aside a few to build specifically for the U.S. market but have to make it legal for our special snowflake import laws, the worst when it comes to firearm-owning countries.

Combined with several other factors of more folks being into Combloc guns thanks to video games and forums like this raising demand, terrible import laws making it not as profitable as before, bans, relying solely on tiny Eastern European countries that don't have the industrial output like Russia and China to keep up with demand while keeping prices low, tariffs, the end of the Cold War almost 30 years ago and the finite supply that didn't all come here, rising labor costs, devaluation of our currency, plus the fact the AR seems to be the only "affordable" rifle anymore since it doesn't require much human labor to build (put it in a CNC machine and call it a day), easy to assemble, uses a lot of aluminum which is stupid cheap, and a shit ton of them out there, what can one expect from the current paradigm?

From here on out the AR will be the only cheap, affordable rifle based on the above factors I mentioned. We have to build new rifles from here on out to keep up with the supply and demand that we used to coast on with surplus in the past. Being an AK fan it breaks my heart but the truth is what it is.
That`s what I`m saying, I`m waiting for that trash to be released and people to complain about them blowing apart.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:03 PM   #109
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There was a day not too long ago when I'd jump on every new Com Block Arsenal made rifle or pistol, but that day is in the past for me.

My appreciation for the AK has not diminished one iota.
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I disagree with some of this.

Although what you go on about is nothing new, and it does affect the price, hovering at $2,000 is rape pricing.

If it's not rape pricing, tell me how the same factory can put out a sub $400 parts kit, and sub $150 barrels if they are so overwhelmed with orders?


$400 kit + $200 barrel + $200 receiver + $200 assembly and we are at $1,000. I think I'm being generous on a couple of those numbers as well. It's not like they have to jump through hoops to meet US import regs, in fact one could argue there is less work involved.

Couple that with the current going price here, and I think we will see these drop sharply in price. I'll make a prediction that we will see these creep down to $1,100.





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Like Atlantic said, overseas arsenals are fulfilling military contracts that are more lucrative. To sell to us means they have to not only charge more to make it worth their while to set aside a few to build specifically for the U.S. market but have to make it legal for our special snowflake import laws, the worst when it comes to firearm-owning countries.

Combined with several other factors of more folks being into Combloc guns thanks to video games and forums like this raising demand, terrible import laws making it not as profitable as before, bans, relying solely on tiny Eastern European countries that don't have the industrial output like Russia and China to keep up with demand while keeping prices low, tariffs, the end of the Cold War almost 30 years ago and the finite supply that didn't all come here, rising labor costs, devaluation of our currency, plus the fact the AR seems to be the only "affordable" rifle anymore since it doesn't require much human labor to build (put it in a CNC machine and call it a day), easy to assemble, uses a lot of aluminum which is stupid cheap, and a shit ton of them out there, what can one expect from the current paradigm?

From here on out the AR will be the only cheap, affordable rifle based on the above factors I mentioned. We have to build new rifles from here on out to keep up with the supply and demand that we used to coast on with surplus in the past. Being an AK fan it breaks my heart but the truth is what it is.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:23 PM   #111
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I disagree with some of this.

Although what you go on about is nothing new, and it does affect the price, hovering at $2,000 is rape pricing.

If it's not rape pricing, tell me how the same factory can put out a sub $400 parts kit, and sub $150 barrels if they are so overwhelmed with orders?


$400 kit + $200 barrel + $200 receiver + $200 assembly and we are at $1,000. I think I'm being generous on a couple of those numbers as well. It's not like they have to jump through hoops to meet US import regs, in fact one could argue there is less work involved.

Couple that with the current going price here, and I think we will see these drop sharply in price. I'll make a prediction that we will see these creep down to $1,100.
They also have to make profit as well from their endeavor. How much profit should they make? Also having to re-engineer the receivers for U.S. compliance is $$$. Not a ton of money but it adds up per rifle. Remember the PSL, like the AK, has the dreaded third-pin hole thus is considered a machinegun even if it isn't. That means making sure the rifle can't be easily modified to be a machinegun. Then they have to grind off the bayonet lug only to have Century put one back on (if they even decide to do it). Labor costs are rising in Romania as well so stuff won't be cheap like it was.

Then you have the middlemen like Century who need their share as well.

Not saying I want to spend $2K on a PSL because I don't, but there are many factors as to why we got to this point and it isn't because Romania and Century decided to charge 2K out of the blue just for the heck of it. If it sells, it sells. If it doesn't, like you said their prices will drop like what happened to others that weren't selling.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:27 PM   #112
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regarding the pricing being so high:

1) Century looked at the prices of used PSLs. Why would they charge less than the going rate for a used PSL? They probably didn't pay much more for these new PSLs than they paid for the old ones, so they're probably only being imported because the profit margin is so high.

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2) Century had to beat out the big spenders like Saudi Arabia in order to get PSLs from the factory. Far less likely IMO since Century didn't seem motivated to import PSLs at all pre-ISIS.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:06 PM   #113
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The Firearm Blog also says they are inbound.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:28 PM   #114
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Yeesh... at the $2k price point, may as well find a way to make SVDs.
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Old 08-14-2018, 07:04 PM   #115
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My only question is, if they’re willing to bring back a rifle chambered for a dying caliber in the US why not bring in their RPK74 variant?
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Old 08-14-2018, 07:24 PM   #116
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My only question is, if they’re willing to bring back a rifle chambered for a dying caliber in the US why not bring in their RPK74 variant?
I'd imagine even still today that 7.62x54r is a far more popular and marketable caliber than 5.45x39mm

When I worked gun shows back in NY, Mosin's and crates of 54r sold quick... 5.45x39 barely moved at all.
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Those prices I put out there are in relation to current pricing of closely related imported kits, parts, or in the case of the receiver, US produced parts (which typically are more expensive than imported versions) so in short, that's ALREADY a profit price!

What I realize I left out was the scope price, so one can add $200-300 on top of that and then you're still at $1300-1400 total, profit added in that's in line with other current offerings from the same facility.

As I eluded to previously, a "re-engineered" receiver consists of the SAME PSL receiver with less holes lol, so if you want to be technical, it should be cheaper since less machining required. I wouldn't expect it to be cheaper, but I certainly can't see it being more expensive.


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They also have to make profit as well from their endeavor. How much profit should they make? Also having to re-engineer the receivers for U.S. compliance is $$$. Not a ton of money but it adds up per rifle. Remember the PSL, like the AK, has the dreaded third-pin hole thus is considered a machinegun even if it isn't. That means making sure the rifle can't be easily modified to be a machinegun. Then they have to grind off the bayonet lug only to have Century put one back on (if they even decide to do it). Labor costs are rising in Romania as well so stuff won't be cheap like it was.

Then you have the middlemen like Century who need their share as well.

Not saying I want to spend $2K on a PSL because I don't, but there are many factors as to why we got to this point and it isn't because Romania and Century decided to charge 2K out of the blue just for the heck of it. If it sells, it sells. If it doesn't, like you said their prices will drop like what happened to others that weren't selling.
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isnt there also a 11% tax on completed guns to add into the total? jim
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Picked up my kit 9 years ago for $229.00 with barrel. Unfortunately the barrel ended up being bad. Buuuttt, out of shear luck I actually got a prexis barrel!!! If you can believe that.
It still needed some work done to it but the bore is really good. Found a great smith to work on it after I found a complete TGI square back receiver complete, paid $49.00 for it!!!
Made it easy to put a stock on it. so far it's shooting great.
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Wow 2K for a meh rifle.

I walked away from one at a gun show for $1,400 with scope 4 mags an pouch.

If they sold and made money off $700 AES-10Bs I’m lost on how these are $2,000 rifles.

But hey, capitalism love it or leave it right...
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Yeesh... at the $2k price point, may as well find a way to make SVDs.
I would pay 2K for a parts kit, barrel and receiver for a SVD.
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yeah, that would be nice but it'll never happen. The receivers would cost too much and I wonder if SVD parts kits would even be approved for import.
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Like Atlantic said, overseas arsenals are fulfilling military contracts that are more lucrative...
Yes, isn't that interesting? It wasn't like that 5 years ago, though. The overseas arsenals were selling to us then just fine. Plus, all the parts kits were out there. I wonder who is buying up so many small arms, that there is a supply deficit for the USA?
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Yes, isn't that interesting? It wasn't like that 5 years ago, though. The overseas arsenals were selling to us then just fine. Plus, all the parts kits were out there. I wonder who is buying up so many small arms, that there is a supply deficit for the USA?
Evidently those with more money to spend and in larger lots.
There are armed conflicts on several continents., as well as the more recent NATO members upgrading their small arms.
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