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Old 02-05-2016, 09:02 PM   #106
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Horse, thank you very much for your help. I will PM you with my order number, which I just need a status on delivery. I do not mind if both optics are delivered in a few more months, no hurray
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:02 PM   #107
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Buying from Browe can involve a bit of waiting. I waited quite a few months for my BCO but it is a very nice optic. But I'm a bit reluctant to buy a BTO-RS if I have to wait that long again. That's why I hope to find a Browe stocking dealer.
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If you already have the RS rail and attachment, can you just purchase the BTO or is it all or nothing..

Also is there a way to attach russian optics to the RS rails or would that be a custom job?
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:56 AM   #109
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If you already have the RS rail and attachment, can you just purchase the BTO or is it all or nothing..

Also is there a way to attach russian optics to the RS rails or would that be a custom job?
Yes it's our standard AKOG upper on the BTO-RS. It fits the regular BTO and BCO as well.

I suppose that would depend on the optic.
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Yes it's our standard AKOG upper on the BTO-RS. It fits the regular BTO and BCO as well.

I suppose that would depend on the optic.
My question was with regards to Russian optics like the BelOMO PO 4x24P2 or their PK's. If RS can be used what mount would be needed and/or what modifications would need to be done to the optic. Some of them have the rails permanently attached to these optics..
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If it can mount to Picatinny rail - yes it will fit on our AKR upper.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:45 AM   #112
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Like Horse said if the optic has a Picatinny mount then you can use it with the RS side mount, but if the optic has an integral/built in side mount no you cannot

For example, PO 4x17. No modification needed


PO 4x24 has two versions. The integral mount will not work, but the Picatinny version will mount to RS just fine
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:55 AM   #113
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And I for one am thrilled with the BTO so far. Almost enough rounds downrange that I can say that I am confident it will be a keeper

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TX-Zen, since you own both is the BTO a better optic for this caliber than any russian optic? I'm not opose to paying for a better quality as long as it's merited.
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What caliber is the bdc for on your BTO?
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What caliber is the bdc for on your BTO?
it would be 7.62x39..
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:48 PM   #117
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TX-Zen, since you own both is the BTO a better optic for this caliber than any russian optic? I'm not opose to paying for a better quality as long as it's merited.
Just now, I compared BROWE, Kashtan, PO 4x24 P2 and PO 3.5x21P
.... Just glass quality/clarity, BROWE is not any better then any above, all are pretty much identical.
The only preference is mounting solutions and reticle choice (and obviously Kashtan being 2.8 and yellowish tint, which could be a preference thing as well).

Is BROWE worth it? Yes. Is it a better then lets say PO 4x24 P2? Not if it's solely based on glass quality.
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Old 02-11-2017, 06:43 PM   #118
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TX-Zen, since you own both is the BTO a better optic for this caliber than any russian optic? I'm not opose to paying for a better quality as long as it's merited.
It depends on how you use them really but if you follow the design of the BTO/ACO and the Kashtan, and then apply it to an AK74, IMO the Kashtan is the better solution for the AK74.

To be clear you won't go wrong with any of them and I don't want to sound in any way like BTO or ACOGs won't work, but I give the edge to Kashtan...for the AK74.

The 400m zero is calibrated for 7N6. Kashtan is calibrated for 7N6. Your BDC for an AK74 is dead on. No guessing or comparison to 5.56 charts. Everyone knows that 5.45 and 5.56 have similar ballistics (which is why I have the ACOG and BTO with M855 BDC on my AK74s) but Kashtan IS the correct BDC.

Kashtan also has a nifty range finder but you need to study and understand how it works first. It is not obvious or intuitive but it does work. I prefer the windage marks on the Kashtan over the BTO and ACOG.

A big factor for me is the eye piece on many Russian optics which drops you into your correct eye relief. It's simple and works very well. These things don't hold me back on BTO or ACOG by any means, but with Kashtan it's super simple to get the correct sight picture every time.


I agree with Bacon on glass quality ...in my opinion they are the same and I can't see a difference between BTO, ACOG, Kashtan, PO 3.5 or PO 4x17 and 4x24P.
Having done side by side comparisons looking at targets out to 1000m on many occasions, and having had fellow shooters compare as well I genuinely believe them to be no different than each other.

BTO and ACOG are lighter than Kashtan but in my opinion Kashtan is tougher. I have had spongy windage and elevation adjustments with my TA31 and had a really hard time zeroing it because pressure on windage would cause elevation to mush around a bit and vice versa. Same problem on a TA33 that I bought second hand. These are not show stoppers but they are mentionable. No issues with the Kashtan windage or elevation on the 3 I personally own, or the other 3 that I have helped friends to zero.

I prefer the Kashtan colorized lens coat to reduce eye strain but to be frank that same coating takes away some of the wow factor that you get with BTO or ACOG. When you look through those the sight picture jumps out at you because of the brightness. With Kashtan you don't get that same wow effect even though the clarity is there.

I do really like the BTO battery system. I have been a fan of tritium for a long time but am equally a fan of battery illumination. The BTO solves the ACOG eye searing brightness by replacing the fiber optic with a battery. I have no problem using tape to mask off the ACOG fiber optic, but the BTO handles this nicely.


Lastly is price. Kashtan is a much better deal at about half the cost of ACOG or BTO but you always risk warranty issues. To me the cost vs warranty is more than acceptable but some people can't handle it and that is often the deciding factor for them.


I have definitely had a few issues with Russian optics over the years but compared to the number I own, their general condition and similar factors, I have not faced a serious warranty issue yet. None with Kasthan and similar modern optics.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:43 PM   #119
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Yes it's our standard AKOG upper on the BTO-RS. It fits the regular BTO and BCO as well.

I suppose that would depend on the optic.
but what would be the BTO unit that i would need to purchase to use with the RS rail + AKOG Upper that i already own? The only choice on the Browe website is with the rail or with the QD mount.
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You can order the BTO-RS with no mount I think.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:31 PM   #121
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I listed my Browe in 7.62x39 for sale in the marketplace if anyone is looking for a like new one without the wait.
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I listed my Browe in 7.62x39 for sale in the marketplace if anyone is looking for a like new one without the wait.
Damn good price, especially if it's higher end model (CO not TO).
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I listed my Browe in 7.62x39 for sale in the marketplace if anyone is looking for a like new one without the wait.
Be wary, that name format and WTS post style mirror many previous scammers.
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that's my ebay and gunbroker as well as my email since well.... 2000. All 100% happy interactions.
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that's my ebay and gunbroker as well as my email since well.... 2000. All 100% happy interactions.
Use a picture hosting site and put some pictures in your ad. Read here: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133563

We have had several scammers here that follow the pattern of:
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You can order the BTO-RS with no mount I think.
You can, I just ordered it without the side mount as I already have one.
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Just now, I compared BROWE, Kashtan, PO 4x24 P2 and PO 3.5x21P
.... Just glass quality/clarity, BROWE is not any better then any above, all are pretty much identical.
The only preference is mounting solutions and reticle choice (and obviously Kashtan being 2.8 and yellowish tint, which could be a preference thing as well).

Is BROWE worth it? Yes. Is it a better then lets say PO 4x24 P2? Not if it's solely based on glass quality.

i didnt think that the quality of the glass would be any better than 1p78. That optic is definitely worth every penny. I remember people bitching about its price when they first began to come in a while ago and were in 400-450$ dollar range. Thats almost a third of ACOG. Now they are either gone or in 700$ range. I really dot see any reason at all for buying civilian version of the 1p78 with a German post.

and i agree with Zen, for a full length 74 i would definitely go with 1p78 compared to acog.
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You can, I just ordered it without the side mount as I already have one.
Can you tell me which SKU# you purchased so i can do the same? Thx,
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BTO-001B, but I don't think that would be very helpful since it is 5.56. I would just shoot them an email stating what you want, Brian got back to me pretty quick.
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Always buy quality.

No need for any junk optics and mounts.
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Always buy quality.

No need for any junk optics and mounts.
Who here brought up junk optics or mounts?
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Who here brought up junk optics or mounts?
nobody.

It is essential to pass on bad products.
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