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Old 01-30-2017, 11:19 PM   #1
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Default Modern Mosin

A really great stock for the Mosin Nagant is the Archangel which comes with a 5 and 10 round removable box magazine. Add a drop-in Timney trigger and you have a nice shooting rifle that doesn't take someone built like Rambo to operate the safety. I did this to my Chinese Mosin carbine and boy, what a difference! If you have ever considered buying the Archangel stock you won't be sorry.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:25 PM   #2
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Why would the Mosin safety have anything to do with the stock ? It's part of the bolt.
Do you have any measure of the shooting performance of your mods to the T53 ?
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:34 PM   #3
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The Timney trigger has a nice safety lever handy to you thumb. I don't have any comparison data but the Archangel stock sure is more comfortable.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:49 PM   #4
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lets see

Archangel stock- $169
Timnet trigger- $110
Mosin nagant- $150-200

so you wasted money on "upgrades" as apposed to getting a modern rifle?
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Tatical mosin=gay
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Use the safety? On a Mosin? People actually use the safety? I thought the 25-30 lb trigger pull was a defacto safety. lol

Nothing is more depressing to me than anything that is polymer or adjustable on a Mosin.
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:33 AM   #7
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I dig the Archangel stock on the Mosin.

There's nothing more depressing to me than seeing someone pull out an original Mosin with a look of pride on their face. As far as I'm concerned the only thing worth doing with a $150 gun that weighs a ton, shoots 3 MOA and has the ergonomics of a broom is to just have fun with it. If that means putting it in a plastic stock and spending a couple extra bucks on a decent trigger then God bless you sir.

I would like to see pics though.
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oh, for fucks sake, girls shoot mosins, shit Soviet olympic team used mosins into 60s for target comps. People also were less gay back then.
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I enjoy doing some amateur gunsmithing. If I make a mistake on the Mosin, there are plenty of them around at low prices. Economy was not my goal.
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Tatical mosin=gay
Yes, the fagotry is strong with tacicool mosin.


Mosin is great the way it was made.
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These stocks are for sale at the moment at our local military surplus store, 85 euros, around 90 bucks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_Tkiv_85

Probably could fit on a Mosin, if there is a need to go more tactical and avoiding going transvestite (archangel).

My friend bought a trigger from the same place for his M39, I guess it was less than 10 bucks. I tried that last Saturday, holy crap... I think it was something crazy light like 1 pound pull or something (no, never measured) but for me it was way too light. Almost shot the rifle just aiming down range and having a mean stare without even touching the trigger. I did hit the target, shooting on standing position at 50 yards but made something like a 4 inch group on 3 shots, all the shots were like "damn thing fired already??". Total surprises, wasn't ready. This mostly because it was two stage trigger with a break you could not feel. Those three shots were enough for me, went back to my Sako M92S.
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Sad thing is that "modern mosin" with custom loaded ammo will still shoot worse groups than a $300 Savage with a random box of ammunition

Not to mention no one will give you more than $300 for it. You would have been better off selling it for $250 before the mods, adding the rest of your budget in, and buying a tikka or similar "modern rifle"
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I enjoy doing some amateur gunsmithing. If I make a mistake on the Mosin, there are plenty of them around at low prices. Economy was not my goal.

Low prices? $250 is the average price these days and that can buy you a rifle with nearly all of the traits you are trying to change on the mosin
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Modern mosin?
It's called a Remington 700
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Sad thing is that "modern mosin" with custom loaded ammo will still shoot worse groups than a $300 Savage with a random box of ammunition

Not to mention no one will give you more than $300 for it. You would have been better off selling it for $250 before the mods, adding the rest of your budget in, and buying a tikka or similar "modern rifle"
Exactly correct.

But lots of people do not even bother to consider the resale value of their firearms.

Some people are just looking for something to do with their spare time.
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Exactly correct.

But lots of people do not even bother to consider the resale value of their firearms.

Some people are just looking for something to do with their spare time.
I would rather spend my free time building or modifying a firearm that has great results and I can be proud of than one that shoots 8" groups and looks like a disaster
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Even modern sporting rifles are 5 rounds or thereabouts. The Archangel is a stupid thing, straight out of a television infomercial.
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I use the safety on an a mosin. I have man hands. I would like a tactickle mosin because my stock literally falls apart when I shoot my rifle.

I watched Bravehart for the first time in 10 years the other night. Made me want to utilize the mosin with a bayonet.
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We are spending a lot of time discussing whether someone is ruining a gun that has roughly the value of a High Point pistol and if it's a super special collector's edition still in the wrapper without bubblegum stains is roughly the price of a High Point carbine.
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We are spending a lot of time discussing whether someone is ruining a gun that has roughly the value of a High Point pistol and if it's a super special collector's edition still in the wrapper without bubblegum stains is roughly the price of a High Point carbine.
No actually if you read the thread we are discussing how it makes more sense to spend the money initially and get what you want rather than take a 80+ year old bolt action rifle and stick hundreds of dollars into it and get depressing results

If he wants to ruin his rifle let him do it. But don't be surprised when we criticize him for doing so
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No actually if you read the thread we are discussing how it makes more sense to spend the money initially and get what you want rather than take a 80+ year old bolt action rifle and stick hundreds of dollars into it and get depressing results

If he wants to ruin his rifle let him do it. But don't be surprised when we criticize him for doing so
Don't be suprised when he posts it for sale as a deal fir $650 because he has over $1,000 in it LOL
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Prices have been like a roller coaster on these gems. I have no issues with the safety on any of my 4 Mosins. Bought my first one 20+ yrs ago for $59 @ Big Five Sporting Goods in California (when I lived there, long ago), of course that price is a joke these days...not to mention they don't sell C&R military rifles anymore. But, past putting in a new firing pin spring (by Howlin Raven), adding a trigger spring kit (for a shorter lighter trigger pull, $5 eBay), I've kept all mine stock. Those Two improvements worked wonders for them. After all, for the age they are & the durability of them, they certainly don't need any fancy things (more $$$ for doodads, less $$$ for ammo, no use having the gun if you don't have the ammo), to make them shoot better. None of my guns are wall hangers. I've even kept the original sites on there, as I shoot better that way. My Mosins are keepers, just the way they are...Thank you!

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I converted a 91/30 to 45-70 Govt. 4 in the mag, 1 in the tube. It was fun and like building race cars, if you consider your time, you never get your money back but you can't buy the feeling you get when the first round goes down range.

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What makes the most sense is to buy a mosin and a lot of ammo and learn how to shoot it, many mosin will shoot better than the person shooting it is capable of.

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Mine was built from a stripped action, mag box and bolt, not a complete rifle. I only had $30 worth of Mosin parts in it.
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Nyet comrade, to the gulag with you.
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I converted a 91/30 to 45-70 Govt. 4 in the mag, 1 in the tube. It was fun and like building race cars, if you consider your time, you never get your money back but you can't buy the feeling you get when the first round goes down range.

Nice rifle. .45-70 is a great heavy hitter. Waiting on a barrel from McGowan for a .44 Rem Mag for a customer's build. Have yet to play with what mods might be needed to try to get it to feed from the mag, suspect at minimum mods to the ejector because of the short case.

What's the LOP on that stock? For some reason, looks to be significantly longer than "typical" 13-1/2".
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LOP is 13 1/2. I built one in 444 Marlin also but the 45-70 was much easier to build. The 45-70 with a PSP bullet fed with no problems where the 444 with a flat nose gave me a fight. Also, the 45-70 larger rim worked better than the smaller rimmed 444. Opening the bolt face was all that was required on the 45-70.
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Lol Mosins have a safety??

& that 45/70 is sick. Awesome work.
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Sweet.
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Nyet. Rifle is fine.

But if you gotta fuck around with it and ruin it, the least you can do is ruin it right. That 45-70 mod makes my sticker peck out.
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Just want to say again that this was not a numbers matching rifle when I started. I bought the receiver for $25. A friend gave me a bolt and mag box assembly. The barrel came from BRC barrels in Arizona and the stock was custom made in Commiefornia. I feel I brought one more Mosin back to life, stronger and Made in America. Like a veteran amputee with a prosthetic. God Bless America
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This is actually a "modern" Mosin.



Actually it is a gunsmith just showing off. The rifle is from a Shotgun News gunsmithing article/book.

Here is another build where somebody else copies the action mods from the book.



When somebody goes through that much work you can be sure that there is a new modern barrel on there too.

So you are looking at true customs that are pretty expensive somethings different.

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This is actually a "modern" Mosin.



Actually it is a gunsmith just showing off. The rifle is from a Shotgun News gunsmithing article/book.

Here is another build where somebody else copies the action mods from the book.



When somebody goes through that much work you can be sure that there is a new modern barrel on there too.

So you are looking at true customs that are pretty expensive somethings different.
Why would a gunsmith go to all the trouble to move the bolt handle back then not build a bridge over it so a better scope mount could be fastened to the receiver? That's just lazy.
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