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Old 12-23-2016, 08:30 AM   #1
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Default Buttstock vs Pistol Brace?

Which do you prefer for your Krinkov, a buttstock or a pistol brace?

I am thinking that maybe people might prefer a buttstock but use a pistol brace instead so they don't have to go through the red tape of getting a tax stamp for an SBR. Maybe this thinking is wrong. Maybe a pistol brace is better in some way than a buttstock.

Any ideas on this?
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:36 AM   #2
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I tried the Shockwave on my Draco, but prefer the red tape and 100x better stock option.


No red tape version
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Also prefer the red tape over the brace, because of better stock options. However, I love the underfolder. Most don't understand how to shoot with the under folding stock, once you do you'll love it.


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Also prefer the red tape over the brace, because of better stock options. However, I love the underfolder. Most don't understand how to shoot with the under folding stock, once you do you'll love it.
*Do you do chin welds with the underfolder?

*Will the underfolder clear the mags with an M85NP that uses AR mags?

*Will the underfolder clear a Hogue grip with an M85NP?

*Appears your pistol grip has a wedge spacer. What's up with that?

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Old 12-23-2016, 09:46 AM   #5
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Also prefer the red tape over the brace, because of better stock options. However, I love the underfolder. Most don't understand how to shoot with the under folding stock, once you do you'll love it.


Very nice!!!!
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:05 AM   #6
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Going through the hoops isnt bad, but for those who cant the brace is pretty good.

With there being even the slimmest chance that things might "change" in the NFA world (like the hearing protection act, etc), im holding off on anything new in that department.

As far as the UF clearing the AR mag, im not sure. Maybe I can lay a M85 and a regular AK on top of each other and take a pic to see if/how much different the mag profile is. Maybe it will clear...dunno.



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Old 12-23-2016, 10:20 AM   #7
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*Do you do chin welds with the underfolder?

*Will the underfolder clear the mags with an M85NP that uses AR mags?

*Will the underfolder clear a Hogue grip with an M85NP?

*Appears your pistol grip has a wedge spacer. What's up with that?
I have tons of room on a 30rd magazine, and the UF arms would clear any grip. A 30rd AR mag will clear, 2" of room.

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Underfolder seems tempting because of the ultra cool factor, but I am thinking that maybe it is a little fragile. Also not sure what kind of chin weld is used, and it seems a side rail cannot be used with it.
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Underfolder seems tempting because of the ultra cool factor, but I am thinking that maybe it is a little fragile. Also not sure what kind of chin weld is used, and it seems a side rail cannot be used with it.
Not sure what your doing with the gun, but your not going to break an underfolder under normal civilian use. You can get a decent chin weld on a straight back design, but on my Romy style, its not as good. Its a range gun, and is good enough for the amount of rounds I put through them at a time. The side folder is definitely more comfy in the cheek weld dept...
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Underfolder seems tempting because of the ultra cool factor, but I am thinking that maybe it is a little fragile. Also not sure what kind of chin weld is used, and it seems a side rail cannot be used with it.
The underfolder is the "proper" stock for the M92/M85 guns.

As far as fragile goes, dunno. Still seem to be plenty of them underfolders out in the wild doing just fine after seeing use in multiple conflicts.

And a side rail would be difficult. Although they were not designed or issued with them in the first place FWIW. I don't think they intended the M92 to be used at ranges where a scope was needed.

You would be pretty limited on what mounts you could use even if you had one, as the Yugo sight base is set further back than the real Krink. The rail between the sight and hinge is probably the way to go.

If going through all the BS for the SBR, you can put whatever you want back there. Side folder, UF, or go fixed stock and use pretty much any fixed/folding stock for AK. Anything besides the underfolder will require welding up holes, and possibly having to mill the rear trunnion to fit the 1.5mm M85 receiver depending on what you use.



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Like mentioned above, I when through the red tape and went with installing a the stock....

I have a milled UF Poly Legend, I could never get a comfortable cheek weld.. My Legend has been a SAFE QUEEN for the past 21 years since I had her. IMO, I get a much better cheek weld using my M92 side folder. I do a lot of tactical shooting so the side folder wins over the UF in my book.

If you decide to stick with the pistol configuration. I like the Shockwave brace with the Shockwave brace KAK Industry tube.

My milled Poly UF Legend:


My side folder M92:

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Old 12-23-2016, 01:09 PM   #12
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The stock is the best way to go but it does change your pistol to a rifle and it's a pain to change it back or take it across state line. For those that cannot get an SBR or don't want to fool with it the brace is the best option. I have both. The below is still a pistol, no 922 etc.
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Most don't understand how to shoot with the under folding stock, once you do you'll love it.
Can you explain further, or better yet, post a video?
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Agree,^^, I'd like to see some good way to get a good cheek weld using an UF. I've owned 4 Polytech UF's during the 1990's both milled and stamped receivers. Although UF's look really COOL, I can never get a good cheek weld when I'm conducting tactical courses.. I end up selling 3 of my UF's and keeped my Poly milled Legend UF just to have in my collection..

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Proper UF usage shown above.

A little paracord makes it more comfortable. I've never ran a "tactical" course with an AK, but in my personal range/normal use of UF's, I've never had a problem. I don't really shoot for maximum accuracy though with AK's, there are better guns for that. I shoot for maximum funsies

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Agree,^^, I'd like to see some good way to get a good cheek weld using an UF. ..
This will help considerably!

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This will help considerably!

Awesome! Is that a ARM9 PG in bakelite color?
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Awesome! Is that a ARM9 PG in bakelite color?
Yes, ARM9 and bulged HGs but in Polish orange, no selector cutout.


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Yes, ARM9 and bulged HGs but in Polish orange, no selector cutout.

Wow... you have a badass looking Yugo UF rifle Bruddah!
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Old 12-23-2016, 11:00 PM   #20
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I love my SBR's, as I've said before IMO braces are great as placeholders until your form 1 is approved, or if you live in a commie state. if on the off chance I need to travel out of state, I have other rifles I can take. if you know in advance you're traveling out of state and you want to take the SBR, filling out a 5320.20 is not that big of a deal.
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I love my SBR's, as I've said before IMO braces are great as placeholders until your form 1 is approved, or if you live in a commie state. if on the off chance I need to travel out of state, I have other rifles I can take. if you know in advance you're traveling out of state and you want to take the SBR, filling out a 5320.20 is not that big of a deal.
The brace just increases the SBR desire!!!
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My "brace" is pretty damn close to a stock. Because of that, I see no need to jump through hoops.

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Old 12-27-2016, 11:14 AM   #23
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I'll admit it-I'm weird. I like the SBX because it's pretty darn comfortable...not on my shoulder-would NEVER do that, but on my cheek

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I've had the stupid Cemturybrwce wobble out thrice already. I am done. Now the sb47 brace is off.it is more shootable than the underfolder but it can wobble your ear muffs off if it's a super short length of pull. I may sit on the SBR crap for 1 year and see if Trump really is our lord and savior of gun owners and freedom. If he isn't, I'll pay the extortion fee and get an underfolder put on my m92.
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Went with a SB47 brace no box new for $89.
Totally love the brace.
It has exceeded my expectations.
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There is always Option B: 5.5" muzzle extension(fake can or CNC Warrior flash hider), blind pinned and/or welded/silver soldered. I've seen a few with the fake can(both M85 and M92), and they aren't half bad in the balance department. Accuracy doesn't seem to be affected, either.
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Installing this type of stock by someone inexperienced, such as myself, is going to take a gunsmith isn't it?
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Installing this type of stock by someone inexperienced, such as myself, is going to take a gunsmith isn't it?
Installing my SB47 took 3 minutes with a screw driver - LOL!
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Which do you prefer for your Krinkov, a buttstock or a pistol brace?

I am thinking that maybe people might prefer a buttstock but use a pistol brace instead so they don't have to go through the red tape of getting a tax stamp for an SBR. Maybe this thinking is wrong. Maybe a pistol brace is better in some way than a buttstock.

Any ideas on this?
Many states prohibit having a loaded rifle in a car. So if your goal is a truck gun, it's generally legally the better option to keep it a pistol with an arm brace than to turn it into an SBR.

Personally, I don't like the restrictions the current NFA law places on having an SBR so I'm not going that route myself. That doesn't make an arm brace "better" though.
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yeah pistol braces for me. that 200 bucks can be a good down payment on another gun and with gearhead works new tailhook who needs to sbr anything now
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yeah pistol braces for me. that 200 bucks can be a good down payment on another gun and with gearhead works new tailhook who needs to sbr anything now
Too much red tape in IL, so it's a Shochwave on my M85.

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Damn those tail hooks are nice. I have a galil style and after 250 rounds I don't have any complaints. That tail hook has me wondering though!
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Too much red tape in IL, so it's a Shochwave on my M85.
No more red tape than anywhere else. The process was quick and painless for me. I do live in the good part of Illinois, downstate Illinois. Ymmv.
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yeah I have a cpl shockwave blades and a cpl thordsen "cheek rests:....
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