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Old 07-13-2017, 01:21 PM   #491
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Zastava M77

RS Regulate 307 lower with the 1913 upper

Warne Maxima 30mm low rings

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8

I cut off the thumbhole portion with grip and threw it away and replaced it with a hogue grip and lower handguard. Sanded down the comb of the stock for easier use with irons but should be adequate for use with this combo of parts but may need to invest in a cheek pad
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Zastava M77

RS Regulate 307 lower with the 1913 upper

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8

Soon to come is a set of low rings. This should provide good height and eye relief with the factory stock. I cut off the thumbhole portion with grip and threw it away and replaced it with a hogue grip and lower handguard. Sanded down the comb of the stock for easier use with irons but should be adequate for use with this combo of parts but may need to invest in a cheek pad
That looks slick!

Nice banner too!
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Thanks, that banner is definitely a panty dropper
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These are still available on ebay but they come from china, 3 weeks out and still waiting for mine. The good part being $22
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After reading the previous posts dealing with scoping the npap, I ordered a clone from china for 22 buck, it took a month to get here but seems to work just fine. It was interesting what was printed on the side of the mount.

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After reading the previous posts dealing with scoping the npap, I ordered a clone from china for 22 buck, it took a month to get here but seems to work just fine. It was interesting what was printed on the side of the mount.

And why are you surprised that counterfeiters use the original markings, after all they're counterfeiters?

It looks like you haven't modified the mount to get better eye relief. Does the scope you're using seem OK? If so, what are the eye relief specs.

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PS: Over the years since this thread started, I've taken a lot of flack for recommending the clone mounts for use on the NPAP. I'm not going to apologize for that. I'm not saying that anyone should buy a counterfeit mount in order to hose over MI. I actually think the MI mounts are better for their intended purpose. But as I said years ago, I think the "clone" mounts are actually superior when modified for use with the NPAP (see the photos on the first page of this thread).

PPS: So now folks can stop sending me hate mail . . .
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I had originally planned on doing the mod to the mount but when I mounted the Barska 4x32 I found that with the mount all the way forward without the mod worked out well, just a slight bit high but not bad. I know its a counterfeit mount but 22 bucks vs over a hundred it was a no brainer. I believe it was one of your posts that led me in this direction. thx
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just a slight bit high but not bad.
Yeah, that's the downside. Back on page 1, you'll note I used 50mm glass so I could at least make use of the height -- overkill for an AK. If you're looking for a lower mount, I might suggest the RS mount. They're pricey, but well worth the price if that's what you need to get a comfortable check weld.

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Here's one from Midwest Industries that actually fits.

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Here's one from Midwest Industries that actually fits.
Here's the web link to the Gen 2 mount in the above post: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com...-aksmg2-yr.htm. It's kind of difficult to find as the navagation pages that should link to it don't. To find it you've gotta search for "yugo" on their site.

♦ For most Yugo Pattern guns, attaches to rifles with a built-in AK receiver Interface
♦ High quality 1913 Mil spec rail, T-marked for accessory location
♦ Constructed from hard coat anodized 6061 aluminum and melonite coated steel
♦ Feature the patented Elite Defense QD system for no tool adjustment and repeat zero locking
♦ Rail measures 6.75” long, weight 7.3 oz.
♦ 100% Made In U.S.A, with MI lifetime Warranty

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Here's the web link to the Gen 2 mount in the above post: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com.../mi-aksm-y.htm. It's kind of difficult to find as the navagation pages that should link to it don't. To find it you've gotta search for "yugo" on their site.

♦ For most Yugo Pattern guns, attaches to rifles with a built-in AK receiver Interface
♦ High quality 1913 Mil spec rail, T-marked for accessory location
♦ Constructed from hard coat anodized 6061 aluminum and melonite coated steel
♦ Feature the patented Elite Defense QD system for no tool adjustment and repeat zero locking
♦ Rail measures 6.75 long, weight 7.3 oz.
♦ 100% Made In U.S.A, with MI lifetime Warranty

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Thanx for dropping the link and info for that mount!
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Thanx for dropping the link and info for that mount!
I think the original link I dropped was incorrect. I corrected it in post #501.

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I think the original like I dropped was incorrect. I corrected it in post #501.

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Difference in price as well!
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Has anyone got a source for the tall side rails to fit underfolders? I've got an M92 I want to Form 1, and really would like to be able to use something other than the stock irons. Please don't suggest a railed gas tube, etc.
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There are rail kits for the top cover on the M92.
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Some of you may have seen the so-called AK307 mounts sold on Amazon, eBay, and other places. These are cheap Chinese knock-offs of the authentic RS Regulate mounts. Even though this mount is called a "307", it is made for normal AKs and not for the PAP series.

Aside from the fact that it's cheap "Air-soft quality", the team at RS Regulate is due their money for the development effort they put in. Do not support cheap imported knockoffs.

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FYI our AK-307M lowers with anodizing flaws are on sale right now
I just ordered one . . . flaws or not, it's a great deal.

It took me a while to find the link . . . here you go: https://rsregulate.com/product/ak-307m-second/.

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Wow! I've already gotten hate mail (PMs) for why I would recommend the MI clone, but not the RS Regulate clones . . .

First: As I mentioned way earlier in the thread: Back in the day I felt the MI clone mounts were better *if you were going to modify them.* The new MI mounts might address my original concerns, but I don't have money to order a Gen2 MI mount, so I can't confirm this. Maybe the MI folks will chime in here . . . but, I don't have a bunch of extra cash to sort it out.

Second: Unfortunately, I now own a cheap Chinese clone of the RS mount (don't ask, but with my contacts I only spent $20) . . . I'm not impressed. I have no financial stake in RS, but just let me say the RS is a much superior unit. Yes, that's my opinion, but after 15 years on this board, my opinion has gotta count for something . . .

SO STOP SENDING ME HATE MAIL!

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I picked up one of the Midwest Industries Gen 2 Yugo mounts for my NPAP and it's been great.

It fits perfectly, it's easy to remove and re-install, it's solid, and resumes perfect zero after being removed and re-installed.

(For shits and giggles I tried mounting the MI AK rail from my SAM7R on the NPAP, and not only is it too high off the dust cover, it doesn't slide all the way to the front of the rail).


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I picked up one of the Midwest Industries Gen 2 Yugo mounts for my NPAP and it's been great.

It fits perfectly, it's easy to remove and re-install, it's solid, and resumes perfect zero after being removed and re-installed.

(For shits and giggles I tried mounting the MI AK rail from my SAM7R on the NPAP, and not only is it too high off the dust cover, it doesn't slide all the way to the front of the rail).

How do you like the Vortex and which one is it?
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It's a Crossfire ll with the V - Brite reticle and I'm very satisfied with it especially considering the price and I liked the first one I bought for the SAM7R so much that I picked up another for the NPAP online at B&H Photo.

I especially like the reticle and the fact that it's a true 1-4 power.

The eye box and exit pupil are good and the glass is more than decent.

I paid $200 for each and that included free shipping from B&H who I would definitely recommend.

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It's a Crossfire ll with the V - Brite reticle and I'm very satisfied with it especially considering the price and I liked the first one I bought for the SAM7R so much that I picked up another for the NPAP online at B&H Photo.

I especially like the reticle and the fact that it's a true 1-4 power.

The eye box and exit pupil are good and the glass is more than decent.

I paid $200 for each and that included free shipping from B&H who I would definitely recommend.

(Sorry for the giant picture size, I fixed them.)

Many thanks my friend. I just ordered a M.I mount like that and have been looking into scopes. This helps my journey.
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I have one just needing an upper mount. I will vouch these are awesome and doesn't look flawed. Great deal. Just need to figure out what modern optic I want to put on top of a PAP.
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Recently threw together a cheap combo on my M77 using a Centerpoint 1-4x20 and an Amazon Chinese copy of the MWI ring mount, which is similar to the cheap copies of the MWI side rail. Total cost for both scope and mount, $90.

I have two more of these Centerpoint rigs, one on a Sig 522 and another on a PSA 20" A4 nitride rifle that gets switched between the 1-4x and carry handle as desired. No problems with either, the scope has always held zero and has pretty clear glass.

Comparing the Centerpoint to a Primary Arms 1-4x (which I also have) I would say the Centerpoint has a couple legs up on the PA scope. It has more crisp adjustment clicks, is smaller and lighter, and the reticle is etched into the glass whereas the PA does not appear to be. It's still nitrogen purged and has good illumination scale - the lowest red is low enough that it's only visible in low light or darkness which I consider a nice feature.

Any how, there are some mods needed to the cheap ring mount. First you will have to mill off the slot to clear the top rail as you do with most of the MWI type mounts. Additionally I found that the threaded clamping stud protruded enough from the mount internally that it would contact the top and lower rails and prevent the mount from clamping down flat, so I removed the stud and ground a flat face onto it until it no longer protruded into the mount. Now the mount will clamp down flat and true.

The scope sits relatively low (considering how high most stuff ends up on Yugos) and the eye relief is good.

I'm very interested in finding out whether or not this will hold up to the M77. Reviews on this scope on Amazon show many people using it with .308 rifles, so I assume it will have no issue.

This isn't a SHTF combo by any means but for basic target shooting or hunting this is a good way to top off your Zastava with an inexpensive 1-4x optic.




any chance i could get 2 things from you, one would be a link to the mount, and 2 can you take a measurement from the bottom of the scope tube to the dust cover for me please.
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And why are you surprised that counterfeiters use the original markings, after all they're counterfeiters?

It looks like you haven't modified the mount to get better eye relief. Does the scope you're using seem OK? If so, what are the eye relief specs.

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PS: Over the years since this thread started, I've taken a lot of flack for recommending the clone mounts for use on the NPAP. I'm not going to apologize for that. I'm not saying that anyone should buy a counterfeit mount in order to hose over MI. I actually think the MI mounts are better for their intended purpose. But as I said years ago, I think the "clone" mounts are actually superior when modified for use with the NPAP (see the photos on the first page of this thread).

PPS: So now folks can stop sending me hate mail . . .
Wrong; the Midwest Industries Yugo style mounts are better made, fit perfectly at the correct height over the dust cover, are better centered over the bore, have a far superior locking system, and aren't intellectual property stealing, Chinese counterfeit shit, fuggazied to fit on the rifles.

I posted pictures of the MI Yugo mount a bit further up the page.
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Wrong; the Midwest Industries Yugo style mounts are better made, fit perfectly at the correct height over the dust cover, are better centered over the bore, have a far superior locking system, and aren't not Chinese counterfeit shit fuggazied to fit on the rifles.
pretty sure at the time he posted that MI didnt offer a yugo specific mount. i could be wrong though. but im sure im not
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After reading the previous posts dealing with scoping the npap, I ordered a clone from china for 22 buck, it took a month to get here but seems to work just fine. It was interesting what was printed on the side of the mount.

That depends on one's own definition of "works just fine".

That Chinese counterfeit doesn't provide the proper height and doesn't even fit properly or position itself onto the rail where it belongs.
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again, i get what he was saying, it fits, it locks down. but its a yugo with a mount meant for a standard akm. MI or Clone it would have been exactly the same unless modded or meant directly for a yugo
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again, i get what he was saying, it fits, it locks down. but its a yugo with a mount meant for a standard akm. MI or Clone it would have been exactly the same unless modded or meant directly for a yugo
No; the counterfeit would not be "exactly the same" as the authentic mount it mimics in appearance and rips off, before or after the modification.

Counterfeits merely look the same at a casual glance, they are not the same at all.

The mount in the picture you are referring to clearly doesn't fit, nor does it have the same or comparable locking system as the authentic rail.

It's air soft crap at best, regardless of how one may try to modify it to make it appear to fit and lock on properly.
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No; the counterfeit would not be "exactly the same" as the authentic mount it mimics in appearance and rips off, before or after the modification.

Counterfeits merely look the same at a casual glance, they are not the same at all.

The mount in the picture you are referring to clearly doesn't fit, nor does it have the same or comparable locking system as the authentic rail.

It's air soft crap at best, regardless of how one may try to modify it to make it appear to fit and lock on properly.
man, are you ok. again no one ever said it was the same or that the quality is on par with the real deal. yes it attaches in the same way at the same height in the same place as the dimensions are the same. the clone has more clamping surface than the mi and for good reason (weaker grade materials). the point you seem to be missing is that the real deal and the clone would fit in the exact same position as each other only one would be cheap enough to grind on and cut up if you make a mistake trying to fit a standard mount to work properly with a yugo mount. i hope this clears up any confusion. basically you will have to mod either one, so knowing that its a matter of how much you trust yourself when it comes to fabrication and rather or not you want to cut up a $100+ mount or a $30 one
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man, are you ok. again no one ever said it was the same or that the quality is on par with the real deal. yes it attaches in the same way at the same height in the same place as the dimensions are the same. the clone has more clamping surface than the mi and for good reason (weaker grade materials). the point you seem to be missing is that the real deal and the clone would fit in the exact same position as each other only one would be cheap enough to grind on and cut up if you make a mistake trying to fit a standard mount to work properly with a yugo mount. i hope this clears up any confusion. basically you will have to mod either one, so knowing that its a matter of how much you trust yourself when it comes to fabrication and rather or not you want to cut up a $100+ mount or a $30 one
My mistake.

I wrongly thought that when you said "it would be exactly the same" you actually meant that it would be exactly the same.

But now we agree that it isn't "exactly the same" and BTW: that Chinese counterfeit air soft grade garbage won't hold zero for long, let alone return to zero after being removed from the rifle and re-installed, and it's more than possible that due to its lack of being level with the bore, it may not zero at all.
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My mistake.

I wrongly thought that when you said "it would be exactly the same" you actually meant that it would be exactly the same.

But now we agree that it isn't "exactly the same" and BTW: that Chinese counterfeit air soft grade garbage won't hold zero for long, let alone return to zero after being removed from the rifle and re-installed, and it's more than possible that due to its lack of being level with the bore, it may not zero at all.
idk, ive always thought cheap UTG was only good for airsoft but i have one like this
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/99...nt-ak-47-matte
that ive had now for idk, 10 years maybe lol

it holds zero on everything ive ever attached it to. its perfectly centered over bore, and returns to zero when removed. its cheap, weak ass aluminium, not high quality stuff like MI or many others use. works great. that being said ive been fooled with quad rails and mounts (not here) on line by people claiming they were real and ripping people off when they were clones. pissed about it sure, but i have to admit the clones have held up and i kept them due to never being able to get my money back from them... after these experiences ive often wondered if the high end mounts are really worth the money for a rifle that will never see combat or a war zone.

its not at all the same product as the MI mount but i say try one from a retailer that will give a full refund. it might surprise you, and if not get your money back. no harm
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Some clone stuff is good and some not so good. Unless you own and have used the item it is just conjecture.
Japan, Korea and China have made a living off of copying and successfully marketing and building durability out of US goods and innovations.
Not every time., but quite often
The Chinese can build to virtually any level of tolerance and quality the customer or price point require.
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