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Old 12-27-2016, 10:04 AM   #71
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This gun is going to be great for us left handers. It is truly ambi and has all the features that I want.

I was debating having front serrations milled on my 19s, but the P-10 takes care of that.

If this gun really fits in G19 hoslters, I may finally move away from Glock after 28 years. I still own my original Gen 1 G17. I won't sell my Glocks, but I have full confidence in CZ.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:37 AM   #72
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It may be an "improved" Glock, but I wouldn't buy one, especially as somebody who uses CZs for EDC.

Buying a CZ P10 would only encourage CZ to move forward with the Glock-clone folly and divert production from the tried and true CZ 75 series of pistols that are superior to Glocks in every conceivable way -- that is, if you are serious about using a handgun to save your life when the SHTF. There's a reason why serious gun manufacturers around the world (e.g. IMI) have cloned the CZ 75 / Petter system of operation -- it works better than anything else in a combat pistol as far as accuracy, reliability and ergonomics.

On the other hand, manufacturers cashing in on the Glock fad do so only to cheapen the manufacturing process and make more profit, not to make a superior product.

Leave the P10 to the ignorant folks who refer to every semi-auto pistol as a "Glock."
It's highly improbable they move away from the cz75 because of the p10. Cz produces a boatload of all different types of firearms, from the Bren to the scorpion, all different manner of shotguns, bolt action rifles and pistols galore. This will just be another line in the catalog
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This thread is still alive, I figured Glock fanboys would have decimated it by now as CZ created a near-perfect replacement for the aging G19.

The P10 is a direct competitor (clone even) of the G19, nothing less, nothing more, it was never meant to replace the venerable CZ-75 series. If anything, the CZ-75-series lineup has been upgraded more heavily in the past year alone, than in has in the last decade. BTW if you want the best-of-the-best in CZ perfection, purchase an SP-01 variant and skip the P10..
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Old 12-27-2016, 02:56 PM   #74
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I may be interested in this when it come available. Will have to check them out. Some CZ75 trade-ins still around at Coles tho.
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Old 12-29-2016, 01:32 AM   #75
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Old 12-29-2016, 04:58 AM   #76
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It's highly improbable they move away from the cz75 because of the p10. Cz produces a boatload of all different types of firearms, from the Bren to the scorpion, all different manner of shotguns, bolt action rifles and pistols galore. This will just be another line in the catalog

Of course, SIG's quality control went straight to hell when they "diversified" to so many gimmicky models and variants beyond their original P220, 226, 229 and 239 models that for years set the gold standard of quality in semi-auto pistols. Nowadays, I would say that CZ sets the standard, at least up to this point.

Sure, SIG is making a butt load of money with all the crap they're churning out these days (including several versions of cheap Glocks / plastic striker pistols), but in trying to build a pistol for every conceivable taste, SIG's QC has fallen to "hit or miss" these days. I wouldn't buy a SIG without factoring in time to send it back to the factory multiple times to get fixed, which is to say, a SIG would never be my first choice for anything these days.

CZ, on the other hand, hasn't been fucked up (so far) by building so many diverse handguns, flashy cosmetic finishes and gimmicky designs that they can't keep up with quality. Up till now, they've stuck with the tried and true CZ75 Petter System with great success. Even the plastic P-07s and P-09s are still CZ75s at heart.

CZ ought to stick with what they know and what they produce better than anyone (the CZ75 and its variants), instead of catering to the ignoramus Glock fanboys for the fast buck. People who want a shitty collection of compromises for a handgun should stick with their Glocks. Once CZ gins up production on this Glock clone, I bet their overall quality across the board will take a nose dive.

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Can you hook a brother up with a link?
looks like about half a dozen left. Lots of S&W and various other trade-in handguns:

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...ellers=2621012
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If this is any indication, it looks like the P10C will fly through MACs torture test.

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looks like about half a dozen left. Lots of S&W and various other trade-in handguns:

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...ellers=2621012
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Also damn, that CZ video is quite impressive. I know it is a "promo" type video and they wouldn't make it look bad, but still very impressive. Will be nice to see what independent tests show.
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Any idea how much mags will be?
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It's a Cz, so not cheap.
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Any idea how much mags will be?
I thought I read somewhere that they would be around $30/magazine.
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If this is any indication, it looks like the P10C will fly through MACs torture test.

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If this is any indication, it looks like the P10C will fly through MACs torture test.


I bet if they let it stay on fire for more than a couple of seconds, it would consume itself and go up like a Molotov Cocktail.

Actually, the fire sequence is misleading, if you look at it, the flame is actually between the camera and the pistol. They just tried to make it look like it was on fire (in slow motion), so it's just a load of BS.
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The P10C is another bigger Glock 19. Of all of these new big ass 4 inch barreled 15 round mag capped pistols, I like the HK VP9 best. Despite all the stupid shit a guy on YouTube does to make it fail.
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The P10C is another bigger Glock 19. Of all of these new big ass 4 inch barreled 15 round mag capped pistols, I like the HK VP9 best. Despite all the stupid shit a guy on YouTube does to make it fail.
Yet another company that has the "perfect" template (G19) to copy size-wise, and yet again, they fail. I simply don't understand how these companies continue to ignore the cries of thousands and thousands of people online and through email. NO ONE WANTS A GUN LARGER THAN THE G19 THAT ONLY HOLDS 15rds!!! Make the gun the EXACT size of a G19 or even a hair smaller and you WIN! It's not rocket science...fuck sakes...
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Yet another company that has the "perfect" template (G19) to copy size-wise, and yet again, they fail. I simply don't understand how these companies continue to ignore the cries of thousands and thousands of people online and through email. NO ONE WANTS A GUN LARGER THAN THE G19 THAT ONLY HOLDS 15rds!!! Make the gun the EXACT size of a G19 or even a hair smaller and you WIN! It's not rocket science...fuck sakes...
Easy. They know the whiny losers jacking off to the G19 are too cheap, too poor or too stupid to appreciate anything of quality.
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Easy. They know the whiny losers jacking off to the G19 are too cheap, too poor or too stupid to appreciate anything of quality.
Is that why it's msrp is cheaper than a Glock then?
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Is that why it's msrp is cheaper than a Glock then?
Who pays MSRP? People who are too stupid and end up jacking off to G19's
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The P10C is another bigger Glock 19. Of all of these new big ass 4 inch barreled 15 round mag capped pistols, I like the HK VP9 best. Despite all the stupid shit a guy on YouTube does to make it fail.
The 2mm and 5mm difference won't be noticeable by you.

P-10C: 187x32.2x132mm, barrel length: 102mm, weight: 760g
G19: 187x30x127mm, barrel length: 102mm, weight: 670g
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I'll buy the first one I see. My P-09 Urban Gray is easily the most accurate gun I've ever shot and I'm a big CZ fan in general. I can't see anything to complain about on the P-10C. Every other striker fired gun I've had has had something about it I didn't like. It does suck that my P-07 mags won't work.
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I'll buy the first one I see. My P-09 Urban Gray is easily the most accurate gun I've ever shot and I'm a big CZ fan in general. I can't see anything to complain about on the P-10C. Every other striker fired gun I've had has had something about it I didn't like. It does suck that my P-07 mags won't work.
All future production 2017+ P-07 mags will have the notch cut for P10C interchangeability.
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Yet another company that has the "perfect" template (G19) to copy size-wise, and yet again, they fail. I simply don't understand how these companies continue to ignore the cries of thousands and thousands of people online and through email. NO ONE WANTS A GUN LARGER THAN THE G19 THAT ONLY HOLDS 15rds!!! Make the gun the EXACT size of a G19 or even a hair smaller and you WIN! It's not rocket science...fuck sakes...
What in the flying fuck are you talking about?
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I'm not saying that CZ is bad and hammer fired is bad. The o to thing I wish to see is an actual 4 inch barreled pistol with the 15 rounds grip that is not the full size of a service pistol.

I am not a Glock fan boy or anything, but I really think the 19 has the size, weight, and capacity down to beat out most competition. As for my favorite pistols, I like Glock and the HK's, but the SIG and CZ's are great and I want a CZ 75 and P229 one day. Along with an HK USP 45
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What in the flying fuck are you talking about?
Not sure I can say it any clearer
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I'm not saying that CZ is bad and hammer fired is bad. The o to thing I wish to see is an actual 4 inch barreled pistol with the 15 rounds grip that is not the full size of a service pistol.

I am not a Glock fan boy or anything, but I really think the 19 has the size, weight, and capacity down to beat out most competition. As for my favorite pistols, I like Glock and the HK's, but the SIG and CZ's are great and I want a CZ 75 and P229 one day. Along with an HK USP 45

FYI, the P-10C isn't a "full size of a service pistol." It is a compact and the same size as the G19.
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No, watch Mac's new video. It's bigger.
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All future production 2017+ P-07 mags will have the notch cut for P10C interchangeability.
Yeah, I meant the four I already have. Oh, well. I can sell them. No use for them since I sold my P-07.
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Not sure I can say it any clearer
So apparently 2 mm is significant in your eyes. Good to know, says a lot. Let me guess, you carry a G19 and it is the greatest firearm ever made?

Ah. I see you're in Michigan. That explains everything. Carry on glockster mcglockenstein
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So apparently 2 mm is significant in your eyes. Good to know, says a lot. Let me guess, you carry a G19 and it is the greatest firearm ever made?

Ah. I see you're in Michigan. That explains everything. Carry on glockster mcglockenstein
I sold my Glock due to brass to the face. I carry an HK P2000. Not sure where you are getting 2mm from. Watch MAC's new video, the CZ is G17 size.

As to your childish remark about me being in MI, I don't follow that. If you are referring to UM, I fucking hate them and Jim Harbaugh. In fact, I may be the world's biggest FSU fan, so watching them beat UM last night on my couch here in MI wearing my FSU gear was a beautiful moment. Fuck Urban (Liar) Meyer too.

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I sold my Glock due to brass to the face. I carry an HK P2000. Not sure where you are getting 2mm from. Watch MAC's new video, the CZ is G17 size.
You are wrong. MAC specifically said the CZ is not G17 size. You need to go back and watch the video.


P-10C: 187x32.2x132mm, barrel length: 102mm, weight: 760g
G19: 187x30x127mm, barrel length: 102mm, weight: 670g
G17: 204x30x138mm, barrel length: 114mm, weight: 710g

Do some research next time. P-10C is only 2mm wider and 5mm higher. It fits in G19 holsters for crying out.
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I was hoping CZ would stay out of the striker fired revolution. I guess the cheap overhead to make one and profit is to good.
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The CZ is clearly not the same size as a G19, or even only bigger by an insignificant amount. Barrel length is the same, but over all length is longer, and height wise, it sits almost dead center between the G19 and G17. It's 5mm taller than the G19, and 6mm shorter than the G17 which holds 2 more rounds. It even weighs more than the G17 in fact. The 2mm thickness difference isn't all that much, but it is thicker.

It's the same from the trigger guard forward, which is why it fits in Glock holsters, but no matter how you slice it, the gun is bigger and heavier than a G19. Pictures better illustrate this than a spec sheet that doesn't even appear to be entirely accurate since it states it's the same exact length as a G19 which it isn't.



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The CZ is clearly not the same size as a G19, or even only bigger by an insignificant amount. Barrel length is the same, but over all length is longer, and height wise, it sits almost dead center between the G19 and G17. It's 5mm taller than the G19, and 6mm shorter than the G17 which holds 2 more rounds. It even weighs more than the G17 in fact. The 2mm thickness difference isn't all that much, but it is thicker.

It's the same from the trigger guard forward, which is why it fits in Glock holsters, but no matter how you slice it, the gun is bigger and heavier than a G19. Pictures better illustrate this than a spec sheet that doesn't even appear to be entirely accurate since it states it's the same exact length as a G19 which it isn't.





Also, in his comparison with the P-07 (Petter frame around slide system), looks like the P-07 has a lower bore axis than the conventionally-railed P-10.

Advantage: P-07 (and CZ75 variants) for better recoil / muzzle control, in addition to the DA/SA trigger, and other advantages.
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