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Old 04-21-2017, 03:39 AM   #1
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Hey all. I`ve a secondhand dilemma and I think this forum would be a good place to ask advice.

While visiting my dad yesterday we had a run in with a Coyote he claims has been bothering him for several months, but only now it`s getting bold and coming closer to the house from the woods. His wife (I`m not a big fan of the term "Step Mom") is allowing some of her shirttail relatives to stay in the house, and among them are two young girls, roughly 8 and 4 years old. They play outside like any kids, but the 4 year old keeps running down to the woods - in the exact area the Yipping bastard is most often sighted.

He follows the same routine almost daily, he can be seen stalking the woods early in the morning heading towards the neighbor`s place (to the left of the viewing point) before digging through their garbage (I suspect) before coming back around to revisit dad`s place. He stands about halfway down the hill and just stares through the glass door at the family almost every morning. He then continues on to the other neighbor`s place to presumably dig through their garbage as well. Their refuse is not my concern, nor that of the other neighbors.

So my dad asked me to show up sometime with one of my rifles and ahem solve his problem. I`ve no problem with this, vermin are everywhere out here and I`m sure this Yipdog has dined on more than his share of housecats. So here`s my dilemma:

I have a few options on the table. I`m thinking I`ll most likely use my AKS-74 as it`s my go-to rifle. The two loads I have available are a 55 grain Soft Point (these actually work wonderfully in my rifle, believe it or not) or a 60 grain Full metal Jacket. I`d most likely go for a kneeling shot supported by the railing on the porch. I`d opt for a prone shot but the terrain discourages such shooting. I`m thinking I`d aim at a lung, he`s said to stand perpendicular to the house and to turn his head to look inside, which offers me almost a perfect shot. We`ll see what happens in reality of course. I could instead opt for a 1943 Izhevsk 91/30 with a 147 grain surplus FMJ, but I feel using that creates a larger risk for making the animal suffer more than is necessary; my front sight globe is broken off and I suspect the post is bent to a degree. Lastly is my shotgun, which is last in the running primarily because if my range tests at 25 yards are anything to go by, I fear one of my 00 buck defensive loads would only wound or even miss the Coyote entirely, and in doing so force us back to the drawing board. The sights on it are less than optimal as well.

The shot would be taken at an approximate 50-yard distance so I have no real need for optics either. I have my front sight painted white to better gather light when shooting at dawn or dusk when the animal is known to be busy. In fact, during yesterday`s visit it was bold enough to show up and watch the youngest child pay with her parents from about 20 yards out before it was shooed away.

I`m not a hunter, I don`t describe myself as one. I`ve been called upon to solve a problem, and I want to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible. What am I missing to ensure the Coyote would be dealt with cleanly and humanely?
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:24 AM   #2
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I would be using an AR with .223 SP. For your 5.45x39, I would say the 55gr SP or the 60gr FMJ should work. I've never been a fan of using FMJ to hunt or dispatch with, that's just me, but FMJ does work for armadillos. You'll want to shoot for the front shoulder on the profile shot or in between the shoulders half way down from the neck for the head on shot. This is where the heart and lungs are. Behind the shoulder would be a liver shot which will require bleed out rather than the instant kill you're looking for.
Find someone interested in the hide, but taking out a nuisance predator shouldn't weight heavily on your mind. I dispatch armadillos during the summer months just because they destroy my property and eat bird eggs. I don't normally shoot or kill anything I won't eat. There are those times however........and yes........a well placed shot and quick humane kill is what we're after either way.
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:28 AM   #3
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I'd use the Wolf SP, might expand and if not it will still kill the damn thing if placed in the right spot.
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:25 AM   #6
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VMAX would be preferable.
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Coyotes are very curious and they are not going to go after the kid or any other person for that matter. There are instances out here where a coyote was at a popular sledding hill and was running up and down the hill along side the kids. No one was hurt and no one was in any more danger than sledding alone.

Interesting fact.. when you hear all the coyotes calling back and forth in the evening they are doing a roll call of sorts. When the number of coyotes responding decreases it causes the females to have larger litters. Unlike wolves, coyotes are able to split their packs and run solo or in pairs when they are under pressure. Decades ago coyotes only existed in the southwest, the government went on a killing spree and encouraged the decimation of the coyote. Now they inhabit all 50 states.
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It's waiting to grab one of the children if there is no cat and small dog.
This is why I am a helicopter parent. I am with my kids outside all times

I would terminate it promptly personally.
When it comes to your children's safety, handle it and do it discretely

A Canadian singer was just mauled to death by a pack of coyotes
They WILL attack humans if hungry and are on video doing it

Taylor Mitchell killed by pack of coyotes
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It's waiting to grab one of the children if there is no cat and small dog.
This is why I am a helicopter parent. I am with my kids outside all times

I would terminate it promptly personally.
When it comes to your children's safety, handle it and do it discretely

A Canadian singer was just mauled to death by a pack of coyotes
They WILL attack humans if hungry and are on video doing it

Taylor Mitchell killed by pack of coyotes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dian-park.html
I'm well aware of that story.. It was in Nova Scotia, they don't have "coyotes" there, they have Coywolves.. a hybrid of a coyote and eastern gray wolf, they are much larger than a regular coyote, display more characteristics of wolves than coyotes and will go after large game and people. A standard coyote will not go after a person unless maybe (a big maybe) it had something like rabies and was cornered..
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I agree with using VMax 5.45x39. That round is built perfectly for turning a coyote inside out.


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Many thanks for the replies, all. I`ll look into sourcing some V-Max but are we convinced it`d be worth getting an entire box? There`s only the one Yote I`m aware of.

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My understanding (I`ll be brushing up later today) is that we`d be perfectly legal in removing the sucker from the equation. I know I was totally legal a few summers ago, when my only gun was the 91/30 and I used it to dispatch a troublesome raccoon.
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This is not complicated and dont go buy ammo, just shoot the dam thing with what you have on hand and be done with it. Its all about shot placement and at 50 yards you shouldnt have to worry much about that.
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Many thanks for the replies, all. I`ll look into sourcing some V-Max but are we convinced it`d be worth getting an entire box? There`s only the one Yote I`m aware of.

... Well, I'd say that depends some on how good of a shot you are.


In reality though I'd agree with fpk762, and just about any rifle should drop it. Based on what you have on hand, I'd load up the 55gr soft point.


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55g SP or go find a box of 60 VMAX.
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... Well, I'd say that depends some on how good of a shot you are.


In reality though I'd agree with fpk762, and just about any rifle should drop it. Based on what you have on hand, I'd load up the 55gr soft point.


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I emptied a mag that`s normally loaded with the FMJ and recharged it with the SPs. Knowing me I`d probably just bring both and decide on the fly.
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I have popped fox and coyotes with 5.45x39mm , both with AKs and with a Savage bolt gun that was customized to run it, that I sold like a jackass. Works perfect. Wolf, Silver Bear, essentially any of it works fine. I am a cheap bastard so whichever was cheapest I used. You put a round into it's chest and its a done proposition. Fox drop like a rock, coyotes are a bit more durable, but not much more. Longest shot to date was around 370-ish yards. Almost as cheap as using a .17HMR., and far better range to it. .17HMR is about useless outside of 150 yds with any sort of wind. I'm not much on .22WMR.

Aim for what you think is the bottom rear of the shoulder blade and it just rips shit up on the way through, sometimes it comes out the other side inside of 150yds.
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Also, if my dirt tests on my private range are anything to go by the soft points fragment very easily even in dirt, which would severely limit penetration and thusly preserve more hide if somebody wants it. Am I correct in assuming this?
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Many thanks for the replies, all. I`ll look into sourcing some V-Max but are we convinced it`d be worth getting an entire box? There`s only the one Yote I`m aware of.

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My understanding (I`ll be brushing up later today) is that we`d be perfectly legal in removing the sucker from the equation. I know I was totally legal a few summers ago, when my only gun was the 91/30 and I used it to dispatch a troublesome raccoon.
AKs make great coyote guns, used mine to good effect when I lived out west, 7.62x39 though. I would say that 5.45 would be plenty of gun, as pelt hunters at the time I was hunting, used .223 FMJs a lot. They are not particularily hard to bring down and any bullet configuration should be fine, no need to spend extra bucks on fancy ammo.

Word of wisdom though, they are not solo artists, for the most part, and are social animals that live in groups. If you have seen one, there are likely more(if it is even the same one that was seen each time).

The thing to do would be to get yourself a calling tape (wounded rabbit works) pick out a spot to hide(well), upwind from where you believe they will appear. Camo up, turn on the tape and be prepared. The AK will come in handy if there does turn out to be more than one, and they try to overrun your position. (not kidding here, if they don't sense you, they come in busting it right up to where the speaker for the call is)
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I dont like mice. Coyotes are mice eating machines. I have watched them hunt mice many times. How they can sense where they are under the snow I have no idea. I watched one who was averaging a mice a minute, but thats exceptional. You know they have one located when their tail starts to wag.

Peeing on the your property lines does work. Coyotes are very sensitive to messages. They take a lot of dogs where I live.

I rarely kill them nowadays but I always shoot a round ten feet to the side of them if there is a good backstop when I see one. They know full well what that is. I had one bum rush my 100lb worlds gentlest malinois. He was wagging his tail. When the .357 went off he turned around. Never saw that yote again. They get the message and move on.

A 5.45 will work fine if what I am suggesting does not work for you. Give him a couple if you dont want the pelt. Shot placement is everything. Never used one on a yote myself I always used a .223 then a 6br bolt gun when I was still killing them and skinning them out for pelts many years ago.

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It's 50 yards away. Take a gun shoot it.

At 50 yards a head s hot with a 22lr will work..

Any 223 with a soft point or Vmax type round will work even a hollow point. Same with a 5.45.

Last one I shot was with a 17 HMR in the ear hole

It's not likely to attack a kid but I'd not want it hanging around .
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OP, you are overthinking this shit. Just shoot the fucking thing with whatever you think you can hit him with.
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Draw him in with a wounded rabbit or goat call with a speaker and .mp3 file on your phone. This redneck guy I used to work with got in a tree stand with a red light and a goat tied up at the bottom wearing a shock collar. He said he used to have great success with this method.

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That is some kinky shit man!
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Redneck.. Goat.. Shock collar.. what could go wrong?
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OP, you are overthinking this shit. Just shoot the fucking thing with whatever you think you can hit him with.
I have found this whole thread amusing. This post by SIG is your best advice. Funny OP, you must not have done much killin have you? But if you do the goat thing make sure you get a video and please post it here! AWESOME!
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Oh for cripes sake TMI! Its a stinking coyote not a Grizzly bear or a Cougar. A .22 LR hollow point will work regardless where you hit him, eventually. Hell, you could mix some ethylene glycol with hamburger meat and poison his ass. Coyotes are wary critters and the antifreeze might not pass his smell test. Commercial baits are available and they work well. Your over thinking this issue and wasting time. "Get er done"!
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Make sure you control your breathing and make adjustments for wind, elevation, humidity, etc...
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This guy actually used to talk about goat f*cking quite often. Said he would stick their hind legs in a pair of rubber boots he would wear so they would bounce back into his crotch when they tried to flee. "Made them do all the work" he claimed. I hope he was joking. He was our shop mechanic.
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This guy actually used to talk about goat f*cking quite often. Said he would stick their hind legs in a pair of rubber boots he would wear so they would bounce back into his crotch when they tried to flee. "Made them do all the work" he claimed. I hope he was joking. He was our shop mechanic.
I think that's what's called bump-firing.

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Old 04-22-2017, 11:39 PM   #34
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Wow....

That's a lot of thinking, pondering and advice.....from what sounds like - a bunch of lads who never lived on a ranch or may have never had to actually shoot anything...that was alive.

Tell you what OP....Coyotes don't go after kids. They are just curious.

That said....it matters not if your dad wants him gone.

If so;

Take your rifle, and just shoot the fucker. Bam...problem solved.

So easy that even kids... do it out here...all the time, no thought on fancy ammo, no thought on this, that or the other.

One shot...right behind the shoulder....and it is done.

A lot of overthinking for a small problem.

Kind of funny.
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I`m just trying to be humane, I don`t want it to suffer any more than it has to (personal ethics thing) so I`m just wanting to make sure that the plan I laid out doesn`t have any holes that would create that margin for error. I dunno what happened to turn this whole thing sideways; something about a goat and rubber boots?

For the record, I have a loooooong history of overthinking things.
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