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Old 05-11-2018, 09:31 AM   #1
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Default What is this flower carved into an M59 stock?

Does anyone know the significance of the flower carved into this M59 SKS?



Here is the whole rifle.

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Old 05-11-2018, 09:37 AM   #2
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the first death blossom rifle?

nah, jk... looks like the beginning of a Fleur de lis?
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:15 AM   #3
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I'm thinking Fleur de Lis as well, which I recall reading recently was a very culturally significant symbol in that region.
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:53 PM   #4
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Yeah.
The Fleur de Lis is a common icon in heraldry in the former Yugoslavian states.

Former flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina for example:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...80%931998).svg

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Old 05-12-2018, 08:23 PM   #5
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Thanks for the info guys.
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Old 05-13-2018, 04:43 PM   #6
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Bosniac symbol, the lily flower.
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Old 06-10-2018, 08:06 PM   #7
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Definitely Bosnian. I saw that for sale recently I think, is the OP the buyer?
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Didn't they make a magazine with a Fleur de lis there? Very desirable as I recall.
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Old 06-10-2018, 11:32 PM   #9
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Didn't they make a magazine with a Fleur de lis there? Very desirable as I recall.
Yep
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Definitely Bosnian. I saw that for sale recently I think, is the OP the buyer?
The OP was the seller.
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I have a Yugoslavian buttstock with an inlaid brass fleur looking design>>

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Old 06-16-2018, 11:27 PM   #12
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That is really cool. ^^^
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:36 PM   #13
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I have a Yugoslavian buttstock with an inlaid brass fleur looking design>>

I would give you good money for that
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Old 06-18-2018, 03:45 PM   #14
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akblue I assume those are two different rifles? Are they still kits or did you build them? Any interesting carvings?
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akblue I assume those are two different rifles? Are they still kits or did you build them? Any interesting carvings?
I got one with a kit (left one with decal) but never used it on the build and it was not serialized the same as the kit.
The other with the fleur inlay I got from a box o' stocks at Knob Creek some years ago. The fleur covers the serial location on the right side.
I used to collect the BFPU and Balkans stuff and had lots of examples over time. Sold much of it.., kept some of it. Nothing spectacular but the markings intrigued me.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:43 PM   #16
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Blue, love your Balkan stuff!!
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Old 06-23-2018, 05:52 PM   #17
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No doubt, some really interesting stuff there. I'd love to find one with a fleur like that, I have a Croat SKS and Serb AK but nothing definitively Bosnian to complete the "set" as it were.

And I'd love to know the story behind the swaztika / ss grip. There were some strong Nazi sympathies in all three areas during WWII, maybe they got passed down to someone's son or grandson.
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Wait, no 90210 pictures?
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No doubt, some really interesting stuff there. I'd love to find one with a fleur like that, I have a Croat SKS and Serb AK but nothing definitively Bosnian to complete the "set" as it were.

And I'd love to know the story behind the swaztika / ss grip. There were some strong Nazi sympathies in all three areas during WWII, maybe they got passed down to someone's son or grandson.
The Ustasha/Ustashe were Nazi sympathizers in WWII. They were know to collaborate on Jewish captures and extermination camps.
The movement survived and was somewhat known during the 1990's Balkans War.
I sold that item as it had no historical reference that interested me.

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Wait, no 90210 pictures?
I had a Barbie" stickered lower handguard., Yugo pattern. Named her "Battlefield Barbie when I sold her off.

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Old 06-24-2018, 05:01 PM   #21
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There was substantial Bosnian and Serbian collaboration with the Nazis as well, the Serbs seem to have done a good job of misdirecting their own blame on the issue onto the Ustashe movement. For anyone interested I would suggest Serbias Secret War, Cohen. It's dense but brief and raises some really good questions about the preservation of history, which is especially relevant as we move into the digital age, but I digress.
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I luv that BFPU stuff AKBlue!

Wish I could find sum.

Battlefield Barbie is a classic.
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Wish I could find sum.

Battlefield Barbie is a classic.
Battlefield Barbie>>

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Yeah.
The Fleur de Lis is a common icon in heraldry in the former Yugoslavian states.

Former flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina for example:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...80%931998).svg
I stumbled onto a well used "Bosnian" M59 early C block 20k serial.

Has the same coat of arms image painted on the stock. It looks to be matching numbers from what I could tell but has some issues. Missing the bayonet and cleaning rod. There was only a couple of M59s and both had the bayo lugs cut off where the M59/66A1 did not (although the store removed all the killy blades on them). The ground off lugs look aged - not sure why Bosnians would take them off except maybe if the exposed lugs without the bayo were getting hung up.

The other M59 also had the cleaning rod ears ground down also.


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^^^ Dead pictures., X in black box.
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Attached small pics. Struggling with embedded.

Trying these. What is 00.000 numbering on the mag and side of the bolt?






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00.000XX are part numbers for replacement parts used. Is it painted on or a decal. It looks strangely fresh compared to the rifle wear.?
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:45 AM   #28
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It looks more like a decal with the way wood looks in the area of the diagonal line. Looks faded to me and its knicked. No Cosmo.

Made in the early 60s, war was in the 90s, the wear seems to fit. A century that came in with a ton of 59/66.

Will a Russian or Chinese blade standard 12" length fit the M59?
I need a Front sight block with the bayo lugs - thinking of having the lugs cut off and welded on the M59 and keep the original sight.

Where/when would the rifle have likely been rearsenaled with the replacement parts?
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Refurbished in the former Yugoslavia. It is very common on M59, 59/66 and Zastava AK's etc.

A Chinese blade will fit., however a M59 bayonet was a light slate grey vs the silver Chinese. But a Chinese will suffice.

Odd the FSB was neutered. Maybe a state restriction sometime in it's USA life?
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Any way to date when Century imported it? Has a billboard type import mark on the barrel so I'm guessing recent. I'll have to take some more pics.

The 2 neutered M59s where in a big box store with a bunch of M59/66A1s with the grenade launcher muzzle breaks. None of those had neutered lugs. The bayos were all removed but had them in the back - store policy I guess, can't have crazies running around the store with affixed bayonets.

Did they not upgrade M59s to 66/A1 status?
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Pre 2002 before the last ATF marking regulations were implemented>

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