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Old 04-12-2018, 05:34 PM   #246
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Adam, the Chase Tactical AR1000 plates are my current recommendation for steel level III+. Still planning on evaluating the CATI and Spartan offerings in III+. These three companies are all reputable, with good products.

As for an entry level carrier, you can't go wrong with the Banshee. With the demise of the LWPC by VelSys, it has pretty much taken over the niche of low-cost, high quality. Still hoping VelSys brings out a new version of the LWPC.
Thanks for the reply and recommendations!

How does the condor carrier compare to the Banshee? Disregard I found a first gen Banshee for $150 on close out at AR500.

Also, would you recommend any ceramic plates over steel? I am most concerned with protection, although resistance to heat is a factor as it may live in my car during the summer. Weight and durability are secondary.

Reading up a bit more I do think I should go with steel for the durability factor.


What would be a better choice, Patriot plate 2 or the Chase ar1000? They are comparable in cost and specs and you have recommended both.

And when it comes down to it, does the extra 1"x2" on the SAPI plate justify double the cost? I am about 6" 200lbs, so I have my share of torso to cover, but I am not convinced I need it when this is not a daily use setup.
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BTW, Chase Tactical has a 20% off coupon today through the 16th!!

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Adam, since the Patriot 2 are no longer available, my recommendation at this time is the Chase Tactical.
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Thoughts on the CATI brand AR plates?
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Thoughts on the CATI brand AR plates?
Will have a better idea after I get hands-on with them, which is hopefully soon.
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Any thoughts on the RMA Armament? From what I can gather watching interviews they seem to claim having a secret sauce?
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Any thoughts on the RMA Armament? From what I can gather watching interviews they seem to claim having a secret sauce?
I do like the idea of a ceramic plate that can take multiple hits. There are some impressive Youtube videos of their plates too.
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Any thoughts on the RMA Armament? From what I can gather watching interviews they seem to claim having a secret sauce?
Possible, but not likely. Again, body armor technology is evolutionary/incremental, rather than revolutionary. All ceramic level III plates can take multiple hits, by definition. 6 rounds of M80 ball within a 6 inch circle to pass the certification.

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I do like the idea of a ceramic plate that can take multiple hits. There are some impressive Youtube videos of their plates too.
Ceramic is great, as long as you have the funds/resources to get them checked, and if necessary, replaced every few years. The theme I keep going back to is: there is no one right answer for everybody.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:56 AM   #254
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The whole point of both this thread, and my site, is to simplify an admitedly complex subject. Go read all the Good, Bad, and Ugly posts at my site. Everything has been condensed for you.
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ar500 lvl 3+ w/ extra build up
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Mak90 or SAR2

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Old 05-08-2018, 09:47 PM   #256
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How do you like the Banshee?
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:55 AM   #257
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I really prefer M193 and M855 more than others. And what is the update for the best ones?
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I really prefer M193 and M855 more than others. And what is the update for the best ones?
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I really prefer M193 and M855 more than others. And what is the update for the best ones?
Not sure what you are asking. Perhaps rephrase?
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How do you like the Banshee?
It's great as a basic plate carrier, but there are things I'd like to change such as the shoulder straps being a bit thick and in the way when shouldering a rifle. Overall, cannot complain. It's quality made.
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It's great as a basic plate carrier, but there are things I'd like to change such as the shoulder straps being a bit thick and in the way when shouldering a rifle. Overall, cannot complain. It's quality made.
Keep an eye on the site. I have a plate carrier in the works.
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Will do. Keep us updated-
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I have my medium and heavy carriers covered, now building up a lightweight minimal JPC carrier with Flyye JPC with the light weight cut spall Scorpion. I have CATI for my other setups. I wanted the Cryye but it's pricey and found this to be the next best thing.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FLYYE-JPC-S...72.m2749.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tactical-Sc...ox!78737!US!-1

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Old 06-08-2018, 01:10 PM   #264
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I got ya covered, 009.5.
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I'm liking this new CRYE JPC clone. Seems pretty well made 1000D with heavy stitching.So much more manageable and I can shoulder my rifle without bulky shoulder straps getting in the way. I'm feeling like my others might be a waste of money now . This is about all I want on it, may add speed mag pouch and that's it. Rest of the gear will be on drop legs.

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I'm liking this new CRYE JPC clone. Seems pretty well made 1000D with heavy stitching.So much more manageable and I can shoulder my rifle without bulky shoulder straps getting in the way. I'm feeling like my others might be a waste of money now . This is about all I want on it, may add speed mag pouch and that's it. Rest of the gear will be on drop legs.

Crye will probably sue the hell out of them for infringement, unless it is made in CHICOMistan.
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Crye will probably sue the hell out of them for infringement, unless it is made in CHICOMistan.
I doubt it, it's been out for 4 years or longer. One of the main differences is that the Crye is 500D and this one is 1000D.
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I doubt it, it's been out for 4 years or longer. One of the main differences is that the Crye is 500D and this one is 1000D.
From an IP perspective, that makes zero difference.

The cummerbund and shoulder strap designs are almost identical, and Crye is very litigious when it comes to their patents. My guess is that this is made in China (which makes it nearly impossible to sue, since the Chicoms are notorious for patent infringement).
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From an IP perspective, that makes zero difference.

The cummerbund and shoulder strap designs are almost identical, and Crye is very litigious when it comes to their patents. My guess is that this is made in China (which makes it nearly impossible to sue, since the Chicoms are notorious for patent infringement).
Okay cool. While I can't stand the Chicom's constant intellectual property theft, I own it now and will make good use out of it. After searching high and low for an XL under 275.00, this what I settled on and it's a thicker denier which works for me. I would way rather give my money to Cryye Precision for sure.

The funny part is they paid for the real multicam.
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Okay cool. While I can't stand the Chicom's constant intellectual property theft, I own it now and will make good use out of it. After searching high and low for an XL under 275.00, this what I settled on and it's a thicker denier which works for me. I would way rather give my money to Cryye Precision for sure.

The funny part is they paid for the real multicam.
Oh,that wasn't directed at you. I'm glad you were able to get a PC that met your needs. Just surprised that it's been out there for four years.

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Does anyone have diagrams or complete measurements of the dimensions of the standard ESAPI plate sizes, and/or any other plates?

There are various articles on the web explaining HOW and WHERE the rifle plate should cover and fit you, and multiple people recommend, "cutting out a piece of cardboard the size of the plate", but I couldn't find anything documenting the actual dimensions of the plates! E.g., ESAPI Small is supposedly 8.85" x 11.75", but the plate is NOT a rectangle! So what are the dimensions of the upper angled parts of the plate?

It amazes me that none of the manufacturers seem to put this simple but very important information on their websites.
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Does anyone have diagrams or complete measurements of the dimensions of the standard ESAPI plate sizes, and/or any other plates?

There are various articles on the web explaining HOW and WHERE the rifle plate should cover and fit you, and multiple people recommend, "cutting out a piece of cardboard the size of the plate", but I couldn't find anything documenting the actual dimensions of the plates! E.g., ESAPI Small is supposedly 8.85" x 11.75", but the plate is NOT a rectangle! So what are the dimensions of the upper angled parts of the plate?

It amazes me that none of the manufacturers seem to put this simple but very important information on their websites.
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9-7/8" Wide
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Most of the rifle ammo will be used up in a short while after shtf. So I just go with concealalbe soft armor out there, A LOT of people will have nothing more than muzzleloaders, 22's, handguns, target tipped arrows, shotguns and PCC's. At 150m, concealable Kevlar will stop 44 mag rifle and 30 carbine. It will also stop 30-30 at 200m. Having NVD's , a silenced autorifle, a subsonic ammo option, luminous sights and enough sense to not be out and about in daylight, will mean a lot more than lugging around an extra $500 and 8 lbs of armor.
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Everyone one justifies how and why they do their stuff a certain way. There's never a one solution for everything. I have CATI plates, ceramic plates, and several sets of Kevlar. Value and application is always in the eye of the beholder for a situation that has never been encountered.
I think most will agree that the further you get from your location, the lighter the armor you want to use. If it's that intense out there, I won't want to be out roaming around.

To have and not need is always good formula in my book.
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Most of the rifle ammo will be used up in a short while after shtf. So I just go with concealalbe soft armor out there, A LOT of people will have nothing more than muzzleloaders, 22's, handguns, target tipped arrows, shotguns and PCC's. At 150m, concealable Kevlar will stop 44 mag rifle and 30 carbine. It will also stop 30-30 at 200m. Having NVD's , a silenced autorifle, a subsonic ammo option, luminous sights and enough sense to not be out and about in daylight, will mean a lot more than lugging around an extra $500 and 8 lbs of armor.
Hate to burst your bubble, but there's enough ammunition in just the US to last decades.

That's not even considering components.

And just an FYI, the AK will function with black powder and cast lead bullets. Which WILL still penetrate soft armor quite easily.

And, short of a CME or bolide strike, industry won't be going away, even in a SHTF scenario.
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ha, most people are going to go thru all their ammo the first month of shtf, dude, if not the first week. . Cities are going to burn due to lack of water, just like Chesnia did. People who know what's up are 1 in 1000, or less. Not much worry about encountering them in a dark woods
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ha, most people are going to go thru all their ammo the first month of shtf, dude, if not the first week. . Cities are going to burn due to lack of water, just like Chesnia did. People who know what's up are 1 in 1000, or less. Not much worry about encountering them in a dark woods
If that's the case, then you will be wearing chain, leather, and steel plate armor.

But if what you say is true, how come there's still ammo in places like AFG and Somalia? They have been in a SHTF situation for going on several decades.

Again, lead, sulfur, saltpeter and charcoal are not hard to find. And a muzzleloader firing a Minie ball will blast through soft armor.

The poster immediately after you was correct: do what you feel like doing, but that applies to you only.

And I'm going to say, if "most people" go through all their ammo, then they only started with 30 rounds.
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Any current recs on an affordable poly (UHMWPE or whatever they're using now) plate in 10x12? Want to get the wife something lighter just for emergency stash, i've kinda gotten used to my 800 lb. steel plates, lol, but she needs something she could actually wear and move around in. Thanks!

ETA: If anybody reading has a set of soft armor inserts for an IOTV cut carrier in size LARGE and would like to trade for a set in EXTRA LARGE, pm me, I don't want to have to cut down the XL inserts to fit if I don't have to.
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https://www.bodyarmour.shop/collecti...e-armor-plates

Yes, theyre made in China but they have certifications and people have done some tests. I have a few of their products and Im happy with them
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