Dragunov in a new way

[alexsenese]

You need to sell those mags, but get them up to 20 rounds first.

[vtb]

Originally Posted by Highboy

I can appreciate most of your work, except I cannot comprehend why anyone would want to use a AR style stock . . ?

Well.. there are 3 reasons.
1. AR stocks are easy to make inline wih bore axis. You just should align Buffer tube with bore and the design of 99.9% AR stocks will do the rest. And when you make them inline it helps to mitigate the rotation impulse of recoil and helps shooter to allow easier "stay on target"
2. Currently the weaver height over the bore and (since p.1) height over the stocks are almost AR. I's say between AR and HK416. So it allows you use ANY and ALL optics mounts without "brainf#ck" how to marry your optics with your eye.
3. There are tons of stock styles available. You can choose fixed, telescopic or folding.

Regarding the stock on this rifle itself.
1. Original Dragunov stock is made for the average soviet conscript of the 1960-s. It means that average height was 1.65 and palm size was 9. Now average height of the civilian shooter is 1.78. Palm size 10. It means that at least 50% of svd users without gloves and 90% of shooters wearing gloves will find pistol grip short. As well as LOP of the original stock would be short. So it's first "non-pretty-related" reason to change stock.
I'm 1.83m with palm size 10. Base stock is not comfortable for me.
2. The design of the stock is how one is going to use his rifle.
I use it for 3gun matches. Stocks should allow me to make aggressive stance with quick follow ups but with less overal precision. I'd say 5MOA .17sec split on target 10 meters away is more important that 1MOA 5 shots group on 100 meters without time limit. Once i'll move to DMR course i shall immideately replace the stock with our carbon fiber A5 look-alike since i shall use rear bag to help me shoot with some kind of precision.

[Pvt.Joker]

You know; the one product I have not seen on the market that might sell over here (if you are thinking of an export market) would be an adapter to use the SVD-S stock and grip on a standard SVD without modifying the receiver. Obviously, you have the ability to make the rear adapter and can get the folding stock version over there. You would need that and a means to attach a latch to the bolt hold-open pin that the front of the trigger group latches to, and a slightly different pistol grip to work with the rounded SVD trigger guard. But it is not something I have found over here, and it *might* be a good seller since the US never got the SVD-S version before the ban on importing them hit us. Just a thought...

[vtb]

Pvt. Joker - i inderstand what you mean. But the fact noone have made such easy part yet tells me much more than i'd like to know ... 2000 SVDs sold in US 5% willing to buy folding stock = 100 adapters... it just one run on cnc...

I've assembled everything together with 1st production piece.

[Towerofpower93]

Sexy.

Forgot to ask earlier when we were discussing the top cover mods, but would you be able to show what the interface looks like between the rear of the top rail and the shortened top cover?

I'd like to see how many and what size tabs you put in place to hold the shortened top cover in place.

ETA: just realized you may have it simply resting under the new section of rail. Either way, interested to see what you did.

[maxxmojo]

That's actually a pretty good looking 54R battle rifle.

[vtb]

Originally Posted by Towerofpower93

Sexy.

Forgot to ask earlier when we were discussing the top cover mods, but would you be able to show what the interface looks like between the rear of the top rail and the shortened top cover?

I'd like to see how many and what size tabs you put in place to hold the shortened top cover in place.

ETA: just realized you may have it simply resting under the new section of rail. Either way, interested to see what you did.

Well. There are no tabs.

This is the rear of "upper"


This is how cover was cutted:


This is how shortened cover rest against "upper"


The trick is that cover is fixed by reciever latch. And this latch doesn't allow to move cover back and forth. And the cover has limits of rotation around this latch since at the back cover wraps the back of the reciever. And we add angled back of the "upper" and cover is just pressed against it and holds in place due slight difference of angles between "upper back" and cover cut.

That's all pretty simple actually.

[Towerofpower93]

Cool, thanks for the detailed explanation.

[justinmcmillion]

Rail system looks great, your design looks very solid and well thought out!

Stock adapter although Im sure is very useful could use a "facelift" of sorts so that it blends with the rifle better. A Magpul PRS stock would be awesome on that setup

Keep up the good work!

[vtb]

Thank you.

First production model test batch has arrived

[vtb]

Deactive can wear chassis too.

[vtb]

[katb]

How much does a standard 10 round magazine cost over there?

[vtb]

Originally Posted by katb

How much does a standard 10 round magazine cost over there?

From $15 to $60

[Towerofpower93]

Originally Posted by vtb

From $15 to $60

Making it a much cheaper proposition to chop and weld a couple together, haha.

[katb]

Originally Posted by vtb

From $15 to $60

Thank you.

[viscero]

Possible to bring the top cover rail all the way back to the stock adapter to blend it together a little better?

[vtb]

Originally Posted by viscero

Possible to bring the top cover rail all the way back to the stock adapter to blend it together a little better?

You won't be able to remove the bolt carrier for cleaning then.
And there is no top cover rail... since rail is on the upper and top cover is just cover.

[viscero]

Originally Posted by vtb

You won't be able to remove the bolt carrier for cleaning then.
And there is no top cover rail... since rail is on the upper and top cover is just cover.

Seems like there should be a way to do it where you could disconnect/remove it fairly easily when it came time for maintenance.

[katb]

You could do a hinged rear portion. Maybe even a longer section so scope users would not need to remove their scope.

Here in the states we like complete change over kits. That way we can change back if the mood strikes. I am sure everyone on this forum has a story about a historical firearm getting worked on by bubba. That means butchered and the historical value is gone.

I still like what you are doing.

[vtb]

We can make new cover but we'll have to supply the recoil spring which in case of SVD = to supply extra cutted cover with the kit.
But it will just add price to it. And since original covers could be bought over here fairly easy - we'll just loose money.
However we are still playing with the idea.

Meanwhile - tested the microarc oxide

[pyzik]

Holy shit! This is one of the top threads I've read on this site. Fucking awesome build.

I love the look of the preproduction rifle on page 7. Very post-apocalyptic.
Looking forward to your updates.

[Towerofpower93]

Including a top cover already cut to proper length would be your best bet if aiming for a U.S. market.

Most SVD parts are spotty when it comes to availability over here and I imagine they're a bit easier to get for you guys.

Price would obviously go up, but if someone can drop the coin on a Tiger or SVD, and the $700+ price tag of your kit, then another $40 (or whatever your costs would be) for a chopped top cover isn't going to be what kills the idea of buying it.

[vtb]

Well i agree that for some markets kit should include everything. And it shall.

Meanwhile - we've finished carbon fiber stock prototype. Now it's time to make molds:



Stock is A5 alike (redone of course) weight will be the same as original.

[vtb]

Small add-on to the kit: a cantilever mount of own design.

[madrobot]

Put it back as it was

[MABoris]

Originally Posted by madrobot

Put it back as it was

[Towerofpower93]

I know you're doing this for 3 gun heavy metal division, but I'd never heard of 3G in the Czech Republic.

Are most guys running modified SVDs and AKs or have ARs dominated the game like they do here?

[vtb]

Originally Posted by Towerofpower93

I know you're doing this for 3 gun heavy metal division, but I'd never heard of 3G in the Czech Republic.

Are most guys running modified SVDs and AKs or have ARs dominated the game like they do here?

I live in two countries and shoot this gun in Evil Empire

And in EE we do have open semi-auto/standard semi-auto devisions and ARs dominate there... but AK is divided in open AK/standard AK division.

SVD however falls into open semi-auto

[Holescreek]

Originally Posted by vtb

I live in two countries and shoot this gun in Evil Empire

California?

[katb]

I am thinking he is referring to Russia.

[Towerofpower93]

Originally Posted by vtb

I live in two countries and shoot this gun in Evil Empire

And in EE we do have open semi-auto/standard semi-auto devisions and ARs dominate there... but AK is divided in open AK/standard AK division.

SVD however falls into open semi-auto

EE?

Interesting break down in classes. Have a link for the rules showing what you can and can't use in each division?

Would be cool to see how you guys do it.

[AK47fanboy]

Originally Posted by NorincoKid

eeeeeewww

This!

[vtb]

bcm gunfighter keymod panels - they are good.

[freakazoid]

For some reason that actually looks good.
You need keymod panels that have a wood grain look to them.