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Old 02-16-2018, 03:32 PM   #36
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Oh, then I have two crates of 7n6 ammo, 20 EG mags, and no "good" rifle on the market. At least I have my poor man's super-canted, debanned, keyholing ROMAK-II.





I kind of agree. I like my ARs in 5.56, and my AKs in 7.62 and 5.45. But, that's just me ...
Hope is not lost! You’ve just got slim pickings! You can wait for Atlantic to get something in stock and modify it. Find someone to build you a parts kit rifle. Or see if you’re allowed to put a “want to buy” thread in the marketplace here! Check some local gun stores as well... I’ve got a store here that still had a 106fr and a Saiga 5.45 a couple months ago when I last went in!

Maybe you can find someone who can fix that ROMAK-II with a new barrel and straighten it all out.
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OP keep an eye out for used Romak on gunbroker, or the market place for a 104. Mags and ammo can be found but and little costly at times.

R gun parts kit is 350
GM barrel is 165
Receiver from recreator ~ 100
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We answered his question in the first few posts.

Atlantic build Aim74, Atlantic build tantal, Atlantic offering of Riley Defense AK74, take a 5.56 option, slr104ur (16” krink Rifle), or build from a parts kit or watch used market.

After we answered his question we went to discussing other things involving available ak74 variants. This is a discussion board
I guess I was hoping for a different answer. Sounds like the bottom line is that the used market is probably my last/only recourse for a bread and butter, classic AK-74. I can live with that (though I stupidly sold off my other Romak-II to buy a NIB model, not realizing the one I was looking at was OOS).

I really didn't want to build from a parts kit. My "trust level" is pretty low at the moment due to a bad experience with a so-called "premium" smith, and the costs to build are outside my meager budget (see the end of this post).

Not looking for a Krink or Tantal/AIMS, or the 5.56 caliber.

Riley Defense is out of stock at Atlantic, so that's not an option.

I'll be stalking the marketplace.

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OP keep an eye out for used Romak on gunbroker, or the market place for a 104. Mags and ammo can be found but and little costly at times.

R gun parts kit is 350
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That's jumping well above my target $1k budget already. So, another reason why a build is out.
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OP Find a Waffen Werks built on a Nodak Spud receiver.

If you like to gamble you can buy one built on a Waffen Werks receiver but there’s a 50/50 chance it’ll be garbage.

Or you could just save up for a few more months & bite the bullet on a 104FR. That’s what I would do.
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I’m going 9mm with Glock mags, even if it has to be in AR format...because of the lack of quality in 9mm AKs. The NAK9 isn’t gonna cut it!!

Might be late in the game for 5.45 newcomers...political BS.

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OP Find a Waffen Werks built on a Nodak Spud receiver.

If you like to gamble you can buy one built on a Waffen Werks receiver but there’s a 50/50 chance it’ll be garbage.

Or you could just save up for a few more months & bite the bullet on a 104FR. That’s what I would do.
Not much into gambling, and the two WW rifles I've seen at the range seems to mainly result in more cursing than rounds downrange.
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my 2 cents is that i think its ridiculous that we have a 7n6 ammo ban with trump in office... same with 922r and china import bans... nra simply isnt doing their job.. unless their job is selling AR's !

7n6 ban repeal, 922r repeal, and china ban repeal could all be accomplished with ease and without the gun grabbing public rioting in the streets bc hell even ppl who own foreign rifles/carbines dont know what '922r' means...
hell, i know for a fact that i could sell a 922r repeal to lefthanded sjw's as 'racist white men' trying to hold down the poor foreign factory workers

the fact that no one is even talking about these repeals is sickening to me.
"make tantals $75 again" should be nra's tagline...
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my 2 cents is that i think its ridiculous that we have a 7n6 ammo ban with trump in office... same with 922r and china import bans... nra simply isnt doing their job.. unless their job is selling AR's !

7n6 ban repeal, 922r repeal, and china ban repeal could all be accomplished with ease and without the gun grabbing public rioting in the streets bc hell even ppl who own foreign rifles/carbines dont know what '922r' means...
hell, i know for a fact that i could sell a 922r repeal to lefthanded sjw's as 'racist white men' trying to hold down the poor foreign factory workers

the fact that no one is even talking about these repeals is sickening to me.
"make tantals $75 again" should be nra's tagline...
You might get 922r stuff on your side but it’s going to be hard to push for Russia and China stuff right now. Honestly we would have a lot more sanctions on China if we didn’t owe them so much money.

Neither country is very friendly with us at the moment.
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You might get 922r stuff on your side but it’s going to be hard to push for Russia and China stuff right now. Honestly we would have a lot more sanctions on China if we didn’t owe them so much money.

Neither country is very friendly with us at the moment.
i agree, but china import ban is senseless when every town in america has a retail strip that is about 75% china products. ditto for e-commerce. the fact that we dont even have the option to buy china guns is 'anti gun' and its high time we hold nra/trump/pro-gun politicos accountable for failing to rollback these anti 2a policies... but nothing will come of it bc nra aint for us its for manufacturers.

the fact that its over $500 to put 20k rounds thru a pair of tantals every yr is just a means to disarm americans via manipulated economics. and our precious republicans, nra, and uncle trump are not doing anything about it.

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I built an original barrel, numbers matching Bulgarian AKS74 from parts I collected on the board plus a Morrisey receiver for around $750. Probably could save a few dollars now with a Childers 80% now days.

Look for a deal on a WASR or SAR-2. I’ve seen them for $500-700.

Consider a good M74 from Century. Picked one up for $800- rifle, 8 Bulgarian surplus mags, 5 Tapcos, sealed tin of 7N6, and 100 rounds of Hornady.


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Lee Armory AK74 is under $1000; but I would highly recommend not buying one. I bought one & got my $929 refunded. Several others are having issues as well. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333398
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Lee Armory AK74 is under $1000; but I would highly recommend not buying one. I bought one & got my $929 refunded. Several others are having issues as well. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333398
yeah, that's a path I'm not going down.

Probably going to get a Bulgie and Russian kit shortly, and do a build later in the year.

I'm going to redeploy the rest of my cash into the Polish DIY CGI kit from Atlantic.
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Scratch that plan above, they're out of the Polish kits and rifles.

I'm going to go with a Russian kit in 2018, and finance the rest of the build in 2019.

Family budgets suck.
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I have a Bulgarian kit from when Sportsmanguide had them a couple of years ago. Was going to keep it for spare parts if needed for my other one, however if I wanted to have one built, whats the going rate from a decent builder?
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my 2 cents is that i think its ridiculous that we have a 7n6 ammo ban with trump in office... same with 922r and china import bans... nra simply isnt doing their job.. unless their job is selling AR's !

7n6 ban repeal, 922r repeal, and china ban repeal could all be accomplished with ease and without the gun grabbing public rioting in the streets bc hell even ppl who own foreign rifles/carbines dont know what '922r' means...
hell, i know for a fact that i could sell a 922r repeal to lefthanded sjw's as 'racist white men' trying to hold down the poor foreign factory workers

the fact that no one is even talking about these repeals is sickening to me.
"make tantals $75 again" should be nra's tagline...
There were some people here when new POTUS was elected who were going" wuhuu, now that Trump is the President and pro 2A he might very well lift the Chinese ban so WE can get Chinese AKs again!! Yeehaww, wuuhuu, etc etc". Yes, SURE he would do that..

Question is WHY would the Chinese ban( or 7n6 ban) be lifted? What would the political outcome of those be, would that make general voting public happy? F no, it would make maybe 20 000 AK buying people in USA happy, rest of the nation would probably only see the "outcome" that would be painted in their minds by lobbyists etc. They would probably start crying why POTUS gave Chinese factories the possibility to start making weapons for the USA market when "our own" Remington, S&W, Colt etc are suffering from low sales.....And all the time POTUS has vowed to bring jobs and factories back to USA, how would lifting China ban fit into that agenda?

By the way, why would NRA want the Chinese ban lifted? When they are getting money from US gun manufacturers?
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I love my 74s but they are hard to come by...and impractical unless you are a collector. Much like a dragunov...only not nearly as rare
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I love my 74s but they are hard to come by...and impractical unless you are a collector. Much like a dragunov...only not nearly as rare
Not impractical for me. I use mine for hunting & ammo is cheap.
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Not impractical for me. I use mine for hunting & ammo is cheap.
I agree. Ammo is cheap. Great SHTF rifle. Fun. Low recoil. And the Hornady v max load makes a huge mess out of coyotes. I no longer own a 74 (big mistake!) but have a new 5.56 AK. Same role.
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5.45 Kalashnikovs are pretty impractical, but I love both mine.
They’re about as impractical as a 7.62x39 AKM or a 5.56x45 AR15. Ammo is less, but mags are more.
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I agree. Ammo is cheap. Great SHTF rifle. Fun. Low recoil. And the Hornady v max load makes a huge mess out of coyotes. I no longer own a 74 (big mistake!) but have a new 5.56 AK. Same role.
Do you notice any difference in recoil/muzzle rise between the 2?
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I agree. Ammo is cheap. Great SHTF rifle. Fun. Low recoil. And the Hornady v max load makes a huge mess out of coyotes. I no longer own a 74 (big mistake!) but have a new 5.56 AK. Same role.
I think it is too powerful for Coyote unless you do not want to harvest the pelt. I use mine for deer hunting in KY. It has dropped all 5 deer I have shot. I use Wolf HP or the Hornady v max. The vmax is a hollow point of course. KY just opened up deer hunting with air guns .35 cal or larger. I have been wanting to get the Texan SS it has the integrally suppressed shroud, but no funds for that right now plus the air-tank, scope etc.
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Not current production, but SAR2? Not super common, but they pop up now and then. Certainly should be under $1k.

Here's one on GB now. Seller is somewhat local to me and has an excellent reputation.
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Do you notice any difference in recoil/muzzle rise between the 2?
Haven’t shot the 5.56 model yet. And I don’t have a 5.45 to compare side to side at the moment. From what I’ve heard is the 5.56 may be slightly softer recoiling. I doubt there is really much of any noticeable difference though if you were to say shoot a slr104 next to a SLR106. Bullet weight and velocity is so similar.
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I think it is too powerful for Coyote unless you do not want to harvest the pelt. I use mine for deer hunting in KY. It has dropped all 5 deer I have shot. I use Wolf HP or the Hornady v max. The vmax is a hollow point of course. KY just opened up deer hunting with air guns .35 cal or larger. I have been wanting to get the Texan SS it has the integrally suppressed shroud, but no funds for that right now plus the air-tank, scope etc.
Look at some of the FX PCP rifles... I’m a big airgun nut... I’m on gateway to airguns.

They’re more addictive than firearms lol. The FX rifles are nice because they’re internally regulated so you get a lot of consistent shots per fill. The new crown gets like 100 shots per fill in .25 cal and almost double that in .22. I bet .177 is rediculous! Good for squirrel and rabbit hunting. The .25 cal pellet is light for medium game but in a pinch it would work. And .25 cal is the biggest you can go and still be affordable.
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Haven’t shot the 5.56 model yet. And I don’t have a 5.45 to compare side to side at the moment. From what I’ve heard is the 5.56 may be slightly softer recoiling. I doubt there is really much of any noticeable difference though if you were to say shoot a slr104 next to a SLR106. Bullet weight and velocity is so similar.
I have always felt the opposite, but my findings were by no means scientific.
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Speaking in response to the comments about the growing popularity of 5.56 AKs and the comments about AR shooters. I would assume that an AR shooter might first consider a 5.56 AK before considering a 7.62 for economic reasons because they would not necessarily need to buy different ammunition. In other words, if a shooter only owned 1 AR chambered in 5.56 then he/she would be able to extend their ammunition inventory with an AK chambered in 5.56.

I realize that my comment may not apply to all AR shooters, but I think it is safe to assume that the most popular AR caliber is 5.56 and cost is a relative factor for everyone. Once upon a time, my only rifle was an AR chambered in 5.56, and the 106CR was an easy decision because I already had stockpiled the ammo. Eventually, one thing leading to another. Having the magazines and ammo for a 106CR already, a 106UR was another logical choice, in my mind.

Today, I no longer own ARs. If limiting the selection to only AKs, the only caliber I still realistically consider for a near-future purchase is 5.56 or 7.62. I certainly want a 5.45 AK, and I will likely obtain one in the not-so-near-future if the market allows it, but availability and cost of the ammunition is a tangible deciding factor, right now. Of course, it's all relative; same shoes, different feet. Just thought that I would share another perspective that wasn't yet mentioned.
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There were some people here when new POTUS was elected who were going" wuhuu, now that Trump is the President and pro 2A he might very well lift the Chinese ban so WE can get Chinese AKs again!! Yeehaww, wuuhuu, etc etc". Yes, SURE he would do that..

Question is WHY would the Chinese ban( or 7n6 ban) be lifted? What would the political outcome of those be, would that make general voting public happy? F no, it would make maybe 20 000 AK buying people in USA happy, rest of the nation would probably only see the "outcome" that would be painted in their minds by lobbyists etc. They would probably start crying why POTUS gave Chinese factories the possibility to start making weapons for the USA market when "our own" Remington, S&W, Colt etc are suffering from low sales.....And all the time POTUS has vowed to bring jobs and factories back to USA, how would lifting China ban fit into that agenda?

By the way, why would NRA want the Chinese ban lifted? When they are getting money from US gun manufacturers?
On the flip side of the coin, how much of the general public and your basic gun owner even knows the bans exist?

No one except gun owners knew or cared about the law changes when they were instituted. The same could be said today if the bans were lifted. Using a pen to bring them back should be easy-peasy since no one but gun owners would care as everyone else would blissfully enjoy their Made in China products they use on a daily basis.

I mean really, crying about Chinese factories "taking gun sales" is extremely hypocritical when everything else today is already made in China so what is a few guns when your smartphones, computers, TV's, tools, and everyday items are already made there? If that is the way things are going to be I'd rather get something out of this deal where I actually WANT a Chinese product.

Lead in toy's paint and poisoned dog food, no one bats an eye. Talking about bringing back their guns and ammo then everyone loses their minds.

It is hypocrisy at its finest.
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On the flip side of the coin, how much of the general public and your basic gun owner even knows the bans exist?

No one except gun owners knew or cared about the law changes when they were instituted. The same could be said today if the bans were lifted. Using a pen to bring them back should be easy-peasy since no one but gun owners would care as everyone else would blissfully enjoy their Made in China products they use on a daily basis.

I mean really, crying about Chinese factories "taking gun sales" is extremely hypocritical when everything else today is already made in China so what is a few guns when your smartphones, computers, TV's, tools, and everyday items are already made there? If that is the way things are going to be I'd rather get something out of this deal where I actually WANT a Chinese product.

Lead in toy's paint and poisoned dog food, no one bats an eye. Talking about bringing back their guns and ammo then everyone loses their minds.

It is hypocrisy at its finest.
You are right, it is kinda stupid having this ban for a certain Chinese (weapon) manufacturers and at the same time USA is flooded with other "made in China" products. Doesn't make any sense. And probably most of the public doesn't even know that ban exists.. But who would inform POTUS that by the way, Norinco etc ban is dumb, how about lifting that? There probably is not enough people who give a shit so it would go that far.

I myself don't at the moment really give a shit of Chinese ban, in a way that is, I wouldn't buy a Chinese new AK even if they would be available. But still I find that ban irrelevant and would like to see it being lifted, even if I don't care about Chinese guns. More options, the better.
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Agreed. Based on future availability of ammo, 5.56 is the best way to go at this point. Problem boils down to magazines prices. Either make those AKs with M4 mags adapters or drop some serious coin on molds for 5.56 AK mags...
Any chance of you doing some testing on 5.56 AK’s? SLR 106’s are still available, I’d love to see how it fares.
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Not sure if this helps anyone, but I have a MalCorMar Arms AKS-74. Mag prices were an issue luckily the rifle came with some Tula plums and some bakes as well. Wanted a couple more and bought 2 of these. One in brown, one in black. They fed well and ran about 200-300 rounds through them without any issue. If you're an AK-74 owner you could give these a try for 1/2 the price of a bake mag.

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my 2 cents is that i think its ridiculous that we have a 7n6 ammo ban with trump in office... same with 922r and china import bans... nra simply isnt doing their job.. unless their job is selling AR's !

7n6 ban repeal, 922r repeal, and china ban repeal could all be accomplished with ease and without the gun grabbing public rioting in the streets bc hell even ppl who own foreign rifles/carbines dont know what '922r' means...
hell, i know for a fact that i could sell a 922r repeal to lefthanded sjw's as 'racist white men' trying to hold down the poor foreign factory workers

the fact that no one is even talking about these repeals is sickening to me.
"make tantals $75 again" should be nra's tagline...
Welp. China (norinco rather) was trying to sell RPGs and who knows what else to gang members here state side. So that's not going to come back. Not many people know what 7n6 is or care since most people don't go past an ar-15, a glock, and a shotgun, but it shouldn't be banned either imo. As far as 922r, we were close but everyone wanted to bitch about "muh bumpfire" and the fact silencers were still NFA items, and then the vegas shooting put it in the grave.

NRA doesn't care about our 7n6, that's a minor demographic to them. Not gonna make much money pursuing that.

I don't own any 5.56 weapons for now, im going to stay supporting 5.45

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"muh bumpfire" Good one there WC. I literally laughed out loud with that one.��
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Well,.....I guess you stirike this one off this list.

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