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Old 01-10-2018, 11:27 AM   #36
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"CHICAGO" !!!! Are you out of your mind??

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Old 01-10-2018, 11:38 AM   #37
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If you're in a good job that pays well and is stable why do you want to leave it? There isn't much money in law enforcement. You wont starve but you'll not get rich. If you want to do LE work on the side sign up to be a reserve. All the bullshit of the job without having to quit an actual career your actually established in. The retirement benefits are usually good but in Illinois the collapse of pension funds is a real possibility.

And make no mistake, there are downsides. You will end some shifts completely drained and you will see things that you don't want to see. It's good work if you can get it but I don't know that I would abandon a good job you already have with a career path for it.
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True. I would take a huge pay cut to do it
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I couldn't do it. Not enough discretion, and it's only getting worse.

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If you're in a good job that pays well and is stable why do you want to leave it? There isn't much money in law enforcement. You wont starve but you'll not get rich. If you want to do LE work on the side sign up to be a reserve. All the bullshit of the job without having to quit an actual career your actually established in. The retirement benefits are usually good but in Illinois the collapse of pension funds is a real possibility.

And make no mistake, there are downsides. You will end some shifts completely drained and you will see things that you don't want to see. It's good work if you can get it but I don't know that I would abandon a good job you already have with a career path for it.
I'm in healthcare now, but have always been interested in LEO. Both come with heavy regulations and having to deal with constant bullshit, so a cross over would be easy lol
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I’d go for state troopers over sheriffs. I’m Ks I found the trooper test was easier. The sheriff test was read a story then questions over like short term memory stuff. I felt the trooper test I was around much better people. The county guys were younger and just had the feeling they were trashy people.

I haven’t been accepted yet. The biggest knock I have with law enforcement, is if you did a drug one time when your 14 you will have a hard time getting hired.
Yet they will hire an overweight guy that isn’t athletic and can’t shoot a gun worth a crap or has ever shot a gun. Makes no sense to me.

Hell, half the time when getting my nfa items I have to tell the cops the laws and how you obtain them.
This is why I choose to do try and do federal. I have a charge as youth for fighting (age 13), the charge was dropped upon completion of probation, and a suspension for failure to appear for a fix it ticket on a car that wasn't mine. I paid the fine when I found out but still. I was young and dumb didn't think the fix it was a big deal lol, figured the person would correct it and show proof, I was wrong. That's all I have though on my record. Im in my thirties.

I was in the military after all this and never even written up let alone any kind of trouble. It is what it is though. They will either want me or not, I've been selected so the only hurdles are I just have to pass medical, interview, poly. Medical and interview should be cake. Polygraph though ehhh.. I've never done anything horrible nor did i ever do anything wrong while in the military or after. Hell I havent done much wrong so in theory I should be good. The failure rate is what scares me. The statistics are are so bad I wonder if they are even doing it right, because theres no way that many people lie.

I should have already had my interview but my discharge medical stuff didn't have my vision results so now I have to take a full medical eval in a few days... whatever.
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Get paid chump change to get shot at? Why would anyone with even the slightest sense of logic decide to do that? So "you" wanna be a hero or someones hero, "save lives"(lets not forget that you may very well end up taking some too) and serve your "county" and blah blah blah blah. Whos gonna tell your wife and kids how much of a hero "you" are after "you" get your ass shot off? Its hard to take care of a family while being dead. And for what?
$60k a year starting. And the county it's for is not like cool (Chicago) county
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OP your county doesnt have an age limit? Before I got hired years ago there was an IL state statute that said 35 was the cut-off with few exceptions. Might want to check that out. Other than that tidbit of info I would say see if you could do a ride-along. Ive seen too many say they’ve always wanted to do LE and then get into it and its not what they thought. Death by writing reports, shit on by the brass, long hours, work all the holidays, and dealing with people on their worst days is what you get to look forward to. Oh and always look at your food after you order from a restaurant. Unless you like eating pubes, drinking spit or eating the mystery sauce. Good luck!
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OP your county doesnt have an age limit? Before I got hired years ago there was an IL state statute that said 35 was the cut-off with few exceptions. Might want to check that out. Other than that tidbit of info I would say see if you could do a ride-along. Ive seen too many say they’ve always wanted to do LE and then get into it and its not what they thought. Death by writing reports, shit on by the brass, long hours, work all the holidays, and dealing with people on their worst days is what you get to look forward to. Oh and always look at your food after you order from a restaurant. Unless you like eating pubes, drinking spit or eating the mystery sauce. Good luck!
It says minimum age 21, no maximum age.

Luckily I deal with people who are having bad days everyday at my current job (and their pissed off family members), so I'm used to it and am actually very good at diffusing tense/confrontational situations (which transfers directly into LEO work). And also luckily, I never get fast food anymore (other than subway), so less chance of getting snot in my food lol
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My county is hiring and I meet all of the qualifications. There is no age cutoff (I'm 34) and will breeze through the physical part of it. I've always wanted to be an LEO and now with the work experience behind me I'm going to go for it. Going to be reviving from surgery for the next month and a half but the orientation/testing is in late April so plenty of recovery time. If I get it, great! If not, still have a great job with a great company. So, if anyone's taken a deputy sheriff exam, what kind of questions are on it? Should I check out some police exam books from the library? Have plenty of time to study if needed
If you have to study for the exam then you may find a career in LE stimulating and challenging.

I applied for TCSO and the test was boringly easy, no studying required. After we took it, we went outside and took the PAT. When we returned we were told we would find our written test scores posted in order of the scores on a board next to our SS#. I looked and couldn't find mine until I finally looked at the very top of the list and there mine was, the highest score in the class.

Not bragging, but I was just an average student in high school.
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If you have to study for the exam then you may find a career in LE stimulating and challenging.

I applied for TCSO and the test was boringly easy, no studying required. After we took it, we went outside and took the PAT. When we returned we were told we would find our written test scores posted in order of the scores on a board next to our SS#. I looked and couldn't find mine until I finally looked at the very top of the list and there mine was, the highest score in the class.

Not bragging, but I was just an average student in high school.
It's mostly just general knowledge from what I understand. Lots of common sense questions and such. im not an idiot (no matter what some of you think lol) so I should be ok
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$60k a year starting. And the county it's for is not like cool (Chicago) county
And I dont me any disrespect toward you. That 60K is chump change for the area and not to mention that getting shot at part. I make substantially more than that and nobody is shooting at me! Go into Federal Workforce. The $$ is there and you dont even have to get into any kind of LEO work. usajobs.gov
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And I dont me any disrespect toward you. That 60K is chump change for the area and not to mention that getting shot at part. I make substantially more than that and nobody is shooting at me! Go into Federal Workforce. The $$ is there and you dont even have to get into any kind of LEO work. usajobs.gov
I didn't take it that way at all. Who knows how far I'd even go in the hiring process. Luckily I deleted all my social media accounts years ago (I'm not exactly PC lol)
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Don't you have some health issues?
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Don't you have some health issues?
I do, I had to have a penis reduction. It was rubbing holes in my kneecaps.
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Don't you have some health issues?
Nothing that can reoccur or would disqualify me from testing. Was just a benign skin tumor that needed to be removed (the surgical oncologist even said he wouldn't call it a cancer tumor in the traditional sense, but it's an unregulated growth so it's still called cancer)
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Sounds like your workplace treats you pretty damn good.
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I do, I had to have a penis reduction. It was rubbing holes in my kneecaps.
Saw your before surgery pics online (mods, it's completely covered)





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Sounds like your workplace treats you pretty damn good.
No kidding, and the 45 payed days off is now 60, with donated days from the company officers themselves also. Makes me think leaving is a stupid move as I have no complaints and am treated well, but testing can't hurt
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I hired on and went through the academy in the mid 70's. I learned Texas Law but ABC PD I worked at had their own laws. We did no DWI's, all PI's because the money stays in the city that way. Did 9.5 years then went to the SO. Did 20.5 and retired 10 years ago next month. I had fun, we all did. Patrol was great, Investigations were long and tedious hours as a Detective. Narcotics was longer hours and you only saw the abscess on the anus of people. Ended career as a Patrol supervisor. Would I do it starting today? Not sure I would.
Not from the way we used to do things in the old days. You learned to fight or talk real good and fast to avoid a fight. Most times we didn't have walkie talkies on night shift. Needed charging from days and evenings shift use...HELLO ADMIN!!!!!
We carried a 38 special revolver and 12 extra rounds on your belt, total 18. No personal body armor either.
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I hired on and went through the academy in the mid 70's. I learned Texas Law but ABC PD I worked at had their own laws. We did no DWI's, all PI's because the money stays in the city that way. Did 9.5 years then went to the SO. Did 20.5 and retired 10 years ago next month. I had fun, we all did. Patrol was great, Investigations were long and tedious hours as a Detective. Narcotics was longer hours and you only saw the abscess on the anus of people. Ended career as a Patrol supervisor. Would I do it starting today? Not sure I would.
Not from the way we used to do things in the old days. You learned to fight or talk real good and fast to avoid a fight. Most times we didn't have walkie talkies on night shift. Needed charging from days and evenings shift use...HELLO ADMIN!!!!!
We carried a 38 special revolver and 12 extra rounds on your belt, total 18. No personal body armor either.
The good old days where you brawl with a perp, arrest him, and he says "nice fight" afterwards instead of suing you lol
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Well, I spent most of my adult life at a large Sheriff's Office, with a few months assigned to the jail, a few years in patrol, a couple years assigned to a multi county drug task force and 8 years as a Detective. I medically retired from there as a Patrol Sergeant, and am now a Detective for a very small municipal police department to keep my feet in the water so to speak.

My advice is to not waste your time on the library books. They won't prepare you for squat. Make sure your background is clean, your credit is in order, your personal life is free from drugs/excessive alcohol use and friends who have those issues. The individual agency will teach you everything to their liking after you start.

The biggest thing that you will need is honesty. I used to conduct background investigations on new applicants, and we would wash people out for the traffic ticket they forgot to disclose from 15 years ago, the unpaid bills from a decade back, and such.

Where I've worked, the hiring process includes an application, a background questionaire with enough pages to be affectionately known here as "War and Peace", a full on background check (where we check all computer based records including social media, credit, criminal/driving history, civil cases, talk to all current and former employers and neighbors), written aptitude test, written psychological test, psychological examination with a designated mental health professional, physical agility test, computer voice stress analysis CVSA aka lie detector) test, medical physical test, drug screening, oral board interview, interview with the boss man.

Almost all you learn in the academy will be unlearned on your first day when you realize the difference between what the State requires you to be taught vs what you really need to learn in order to do the job.

You will be bored a good portion of the time, but at the County level you are likely to see a wide variety of things in a shorter time span than most local PD guys will see in three times the time.

If you think it's the path for you, go forth and do it. The rewards come in forms other than financial. Lord knows that our nation as a whole can use every good man/woman we can get filling the shoes of the LEO positions in our country.

If you do get into the profession, keep this in mind. The things that will end your career faster than anything are alcohol, and your own dick. Keep both in check, and be a good person... Things should be fine. Good luck to you brother!
So you were medically unfit for further service with one Dept but good to go for another? Seems pretty hinky to me. Either you are ok to serve or you aren't.

It's not just you though as an acquaintance of mine (since passed) did the same thing. Medically retired out of one Dept (psychological) yet was hired by another.
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So you were medically unfit for further service with one Dept but good to go for another? Seems pretty hinky to me. Either you are ok to serve or you aren't.

It's not just you though as an acquaintance of mine (since passed) did the same thing. Medically retired out of one Dept (psychological) yet was hired by another.
Yes. My physical health has gone drastically downhill due to a very progressive case of Rheumatoid Arthritis which has left my joints all but destroyed. Although I had spent several years as an investigator for my previous agency, at the time when the doc made me hang it up, I was a patrol Sgt. Working 12 hour shifts in a large agency where the physical demands of the job had become too much for my body to keep up with.

These days, I don't wear a uniform except for special events, and I spend my days making phone calls, conducting interviews, typing reports, and going to court. And... I do so on a part time basis in a very small community.

The differences from one job at one place to a different job at another can be like night and day. Not all LEO jobs are equal.

Forgot to add that the main component to me having to walk away from my previous place of employment is that they offer neither part time, nor light duty of any kind. Even when guys were injured on the job, they were required to be on FMLA until released for full duty. It was a messed up policy, but one that existed anyway.
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Yes. My physical health has gone drastically downhill due to a very progressive case of Rheumatoid Arthritis which has left my joints all but destroyed. Although I had spent several years as an investigator for my previous agency, at the time when the doc made me hang it up, I was a patrol Sgt. Working 12 hour shifts in a large agency where the physical demands of the job had become too much for my body to keep up with.

These days, I don't wear a uniform except for special events, and I spend my days making phone calls, conducting interviews, typing reports, and going to court. And... I do so on a part time basis in a very small community.

The differences from one job at one place to a different job at another can be like night and day. Not all LEO jobs are equal.

Forgot to add that the main component to me having to walk away from my previous place of employment is that they offer neither part time, nor light duty of any kind. Even when guys were injured on the job, they were required to be on FMLA until released for full duty. It was a messed up policy, but one that existed anyway.
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And I dont me any disrespect toward you. That 60K is chump change for the area and not to mention that getting shot at part. I make substantially more than that and nobody is shooting at me! Go into Federal Workforce. The $$ is there and you dont even have to get into any kind of LEO work. usajobs.gov
I agree with this.

However, to start as a GS-10 step 1 or higher you need some serious work experience (and/or Degree) to carry over to qualify for it.

Depends on what it is.......but yeah, get in the habit of surfing USAjobs.gov as your homepage, and create a profile and master resume. Tailor them to the jobs.

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Forgot to add that the main component to me having to walk away from my previous place of employment is that they offer neither part time, nor light duty of any kind. Even when guys were injured on the job, they were required to be on FMLA until released for full duty. It was a messed up policy, but one that existed anyway.
Pretty normal policy for all kinds of employment areas that require physical involvement especially.
Not full capacity = liability to company......unfortunately.

You hear about that hero Orlando cop who was forced to medically retire @ 9.5 years with PTSD from the Pulse night club shooting ??
That was a poop sandwich robbing him of a 10 year bump on his pension, but they have the same policy......
I almost choked when I saw what his measly salary was.......talk about saddening.
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Yes. My physical health has gone drastically downhill due to a very progressive case of Rheumatoid Arthritis which has left my joints all but destroyed. Although I had spent several years as an investigator for my previous agency, at the time when the doc made me hang it up, I was a patrol Sgt. Working 12 hour shifts in a large agency where the physical demands of the job had become too much for my body to keep up with.

These days, I don't wear a uniform except for special events, and I spend my days making phone calls, conducting interviews, typing reports, and going to court. And... I do so on a part time basis in a very small community.

The differences from one job at one place to a different job at another can be like night and day. Not all LEO jobs are equal.

Forgot to add that the main component to me having to walk away from my previous place of employment is that they offer neither part time, nor light duty of any kind. Even when guys were injured on the job, they were required to be on FMLA until released for full duty. It was a messed up policy, but one that existed anyway.
Be that as it may, I still feel that collecting a medical retirement from one Dept/Agency should preclude further work with another. Taxpayers are footing the bill despite your being able to still work.
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Be that as it may, I still feel that collecting a medical retirement from one Dept/Agency should preclude further work with another. Taxpayers are footing the bill despite your being able to still work.
Nobody said anything about "collecting" a damned thing, my friend. I am not only eligeable to collect retirement money from both the County Employees Retirement Fund, but also from the State peace officers retirement fund and social security as well.

It is BY CHOICE, and against the direction of my doctors that I continue to work, and collect only the hourly wages I earn on a part time basis at a rate of about half per hour of what I was earning. When I feel that I can't continue, I'll sign some papers, and collect checks from three different entities but not a moment before then.

I do appreciate your concern though.
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Nobody said anything about "collecting" a damned thing, my friend. I am not only eligeable to collect retirement money from both the County Employees Retirement Fund, but also from the State peace officers retirement fund and social security as well.

It is BY CHOICE, and against the direction of my doctors that I continue to work, and collect only the hourly wages I earn on a part time basis at a rate of about half per hour of what I was earning. When I feel that I can't continue, I'll sign some papers, and collect checks from three different entities but not a moment before then.

I do appreciate your concern though.
YOU were the one that stated you were "medically retired" from your previous agency. Which clearly implied you were collecting something.

As a Detective one would expect you to be able to more clearly express yourself. As in that you resigned from your previous dept for medical reasons and were now working part time with another until you can collect a retirement. Hopefully you are better at your job then you are at posting your situation.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:27 PM   #65
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YOU were the one that stated you were "medically retired" from your previous agency. Which clearly implied you were collecting something.

As a Detective one would expect you to be able to more clearly express yourself. As in that you resigned from your previous dept for medical reasons and were now working part time with another until you can collect a retirement. Hopefully you are better at your job then you are at posting your situation.
Ummm... No. The papers are completed, doctors have made their recommendations, and agreements are in place. If I decide to be done tomorrow, my checks will begin arriving within the month. It is once again, BY CHOICE, and against the wishes of the docs that I continue to work.

So, it is what it is. Medical retirement while fully vested, and no contest from the entities who will cut me my checks. They simply won't begin paying until I fully hang it up, and I don't intend to do that until I feel that I'm ready. I'd think that would sit well with most here rather than be one of those who leach off of the system just because they can.
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If I were younger I probably would have considered Border Patrol:

https://www.cbp.gov/careers/frontlin...a/pay-benefits

Supposedly were going to hire 5,000.
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