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Old 01-12-2018, 08:12 PM   #36
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It’s all in the wording.
An Army General will get medals for wiping out a entire country, a private might be a murderer if he accidentally shoots some unarmed old lady.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:32 PM   #37
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Take up hunting, for meat and sport. If you become a good hunter, you will likely be a good soldier.

Training is good, and it will help you with the hesitation. When everything is in the balance, hesitation will get you killed. As someone said, muscle memory, drummed in, so it is automatic. You make the decision on how you are going to respond to a threat, and then you go on automatic.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:42 PM   #38
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I've spent a lot of time around guys who are professional soldiers, many who have killed quite a few people-all of them cope differently: Some did not so well but most seem to figure out a way to live with it. But all of them agree that it is better to live with the regret than to be dead. In my limited experience a fair proportion of the guys that have problems are usually the ones who lose close friends or one friend too many. So perhaps if you have doubts about having to defend yourself think about the obligations as man, provider, etc. side especially if you have people that are depending on you (friends, family etc.) and what might happen to them if you just lay down and allow someone else to beat you out of yours? Especially if they are there with you and you had chance to save them but chose to do nothing-maybe that is a point of view that may help you out? I dunno to be honest.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:06 PM   #39
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Prior .mil here, I do plan on living. I know better than to shit where I eat, not smoke near the enemy and stay off the trails. Light and noise discipline is paramount. Stay away from the fight and ONLY fight when you think you can win (situation dependant of course).

You GOT to be able to think, sometimes outside the box. Common Sense will take a man a hell of a long way too.

Beyond that, stay as healthy as you can, keep your damn feet dry for the love of God.

I have as good a chance as anybody here in my AO, hell most of them have 0 survival skills, I actually have a better chance! LOL
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:31 AM   #40
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Take up hunting, for meat and sport. If you become a good hunter, you will likely be a good soldier.
Not quite the same, but hey it's sig, what's new...
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:34 AM   #41
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If you had done some hot soaks early on, you wouldn't have needed antibiotics in all likelihood.

Prevention of infections is vital in a survival situation.
At least minimizing them.

Early intervention can save your life in the event you have one...
Probably back before that Hippy shit was going on - yeah, America needed intervention back then.

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Old 01-13-2018, 02:47 AM   #42
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My two who gives a f**ks:

I don't want to HAVE to see a human through gun sights.

That said, if they are the current home invader "gimme the caaaaash" types, I will kill them easier than were I having to shoot a sick, suffering dog or cat. And I would sleep good afterwards.

They became a predator and they "crossed the Rubicon" by coming to my home with weapons and violence. No, you secure that compassion stuff and kill every one of them.

But the "Zombies" - for that is what we call them - the desperate and starving - what about killing THEM? Hungry moms and dads with hungry kids. Hungry brothers and sisters trying to get food and supplies for their own families?

That's tougher. I admit that would be terrible and hard to live with.

My plan is to be elsewhere so I do not have to do that. I pray daily - literally pray - for a sensitivity to the spiritual "leaves on the trees" and to know when to load up and get to my rural "retreat" area.

That's the best I can do. Once there and established - "we" will have numerous warnings and deterrents in place; someone will have to CHOOSE to come to where we are and then CHOOSE to bring the threat of violence.

After THAT, well the gloves are off again. They don the wolf's skin and are predators.

My mission will be to kill them all as fast as I can.

What else can anyone do?
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:09 AM   #43
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OP sounds like they've pretty much given up already. And nobody has even started shooting yet. If you think negatively,negative results usually follow.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:42 PM   #44
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Not quite the same, but hey it's sig, what's new...
No it is not the same thing, but many of the skills involved are, and while killing animals is not the same as killing a human to most, it is taking a life. Not to mention that the butchering of said animal, will add a layer of callousness to most.

In past wars, when trained soldiery was at a premium, hunters and game keepers were often sought by militaries, particularly for sniper and reconnaissance roles.

The man seemed to be looking for advice, I gave him what I thought practical.
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Hunting is good for a number of skills.

First is stamina
Movement over broken ground
Recognizing the terrain and microterrain
Using other senses more than we do usually, esp hearing and smell
Use of cover and concealment
Stealth
Most important may be to pick up on abnormalities--things that don't belong
And finally, just a sense or awareness when things aren't right

It's a very useful skill set.
Non-hunters wouldn't understand.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:56 PM   #46
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Hunting is good for a number of skills.

First is stamina
Movement over broken ground
Recognizing the terrain and microterrain
Using other senses more than we do usually, esp hearing and smell
Use of cover and concealment
Stealth
Most important may be to pick up on abnormalities--things that don't belong
And finally, just a sense or awareness when things aren't right

It's a very useful skill set.
Non-hunters wouldn't understand.
+1

I agree
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:49 PM   #47
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Hunting is good for a number of skills.

First is stamina
Movement over broken ground
Recognizing the terrain and microterrain
Using other senses more than we do usually, esp hearing and smell
Use of cover and concealment
Stealth
Most important may be to pick up on abnormalities--things that don't belong
And finally, just a sense or awareness when things aren't right

It's a very useful skill set.
Non-hunters wouldn't understand.
That right there is some disgustingly accurate information.
Hunting is excellent training.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:14 PM   #48
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Hunting is good for a number of skills.

First is stamina
Movement over broken ground
Recognizing the terrain and microterrain
Using other senses more than we do usually, esp hearing and smell
Use of cover and concealment
Stealth
Most important may be to pick up on abnormalities--things that don't belong
And finally, just a sense or awareness when things aren't right

It's a very useful skill set.
Non-hunters wouldn't understand.
I agree. Other than the hunted doesn't shoot back it's as real as it gets.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:22 AM   #49
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Op on your slow time are you working out? Have you taken any self defence/ firearm,medical or survival courses?

Have you had your testosterone levels checked?

Do you own a backpack?

The next time your mind wonders about these things load 35lbs in a pack and go for a brisk 5 mile shuffle/walk. Preferably cross country, you know..up hill, down hill...On your last leg of your stroll...... when you want to quit and drop that pack....find your inner hate and finish.
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:04 PM   #50
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Living in hurricane country only a few years I've had this mental discussion many times... what do you do when people are just hungry? I've decided I won't expose myself at all if I can avoid it. Even neighbors... I won't trust many people who are looking to take anything from anybody. I know all my neighbors, and we help each other - but I'm also very aware of the fact that many people who have lived here most of their lives still wait til the news of an impending hurricane to do basic planning/prep.
Good stuff in this thread....
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There is a lot of evidence of Hajji using drugs to get hyped before gun fights. And of course smack was widespread in Vietnam. This could be part of the reason why.

You should read "On Killing" by Grossman. Deals w how the military addresses some of the same issues you raise.
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You may not survive. It's o.k. You're going to die anyway. We all do.

A few years ago I had a wee infection start in my fingertip, by my nail. I think I pulled out a big hangnail. I don't remember.

Anyways, it got infected. BAD. I started to get "the red line" going up my finger. It started to throb.

I'm the type of guy who never goes to the doctor, and I take almost no meds. Well, this was an urgency. I happened to remember a script my dentist gave me to take before I get my teeth cleaned. Just a wee antibiotic. I took 2 of those and the next day, my finger was on the mend.

My point of this rambling is this; We never know what is going to get us. A hangnail, dysentery, a widow maker heart attack, the flu. Or a hungry father.

Worry less about the shoot/don't shoot. If you believe in a god, he will prepare your heart for the trials you must face. When you face them you either rise to the occasion or fall to the circumstances. Deus Vult. (God's will).

Train the best you can. Prepare as you can afford, worry as little as possible and enjoy the little moments. Tomorrow is promised to no man.
Very sound advice
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