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Old 04-15-2018, 07:09 PM   #1
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Default Steel in an AR

I've never run steel in an AR before, but I know lots of people who do, so I'm considering on grabbing a little to see if it runs in my PSA guns i built and if so stockpile a few thousand rounds. Anyone here run steel in their guns and have any advice. I'm just a weekend plinker with these guns (my colt is babied and will never see anything but brass), so I'm not going to be running mag dumps or anything. All the barrels will be freedom Nitride barrels (and an Aero with their nitride BA barrels). I figure that the only thing to really worry about is wearing out an extractor a bit early and maybe shortening the barrel life a bit, but at $200 per case vs. $300, I could rebarrel 3x over for the cost savings
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It will wither and die and melt your barrel. As easy as those things can be rebarreled I’d shoot anything through an aR15
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Reloaded steel is my favorite.

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Mud eagle please explain the process lol
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:32 PM   #5
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Yes...i use Wolf & Tula in some AR's.........it seems to be underpowered and dirty , with a unique smell and sometimes i get short stroking issues......but its just for practice.
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Yes...i use Wolf & Tula in some AR's.........it seems to be underpowered and dirty , with a unique smell and sometimes i get short stroking issues......but its just for practice.
luckily I have 2 of my PSA rifles which are over gassed. I was going to put an H buffer in them, but I think Wolf ammo would match up with them well. They're just paper punchers so I'm not too worried about them. Just need to stockpile some ammo (I like to keep 5,000 rounds minimum per caliber I carry) and brass is just expensive in comparison to commie ammo when all I'm trying to hit is a soda can in the desert at 50-100 yards
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Reloaded steel is my favorite.

Yes, that’s really cool. Please elaborate, like what about corrosion and any concerns.
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Never an issue...love the stuff. MudEagle damn that's purty!
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https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bra...el-cased-ammo/

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steel case ammo savings will equate to enough savings to buy an entirely new rifle before you wear out the barrel compared to brass and that is at the very extreme circumstance. For regular use the savings are much higher.
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I use Brown Bear with no issues, I've had issues with others, don't remember the brands it was 10 years ago. Some
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I only shoot 62 grain 5.56 brass or poly coated rounds in my AR's, watch out for the lacquer coated stuff.
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steel case is fine. shoot and enjoy.
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Yes, that’s really cool. Please elaborate, like what about corrosion and any concerns.
The only thing I do different is after the stainless steel pin wet tumble (which takes all the lacquer/paint/polymer off the cases), and the subsequent lube during the re-sizing, I don't wipe them clean. For some reason the soap/lemishine resudue gives them some kind of protection, and I leave the case lube on there for the same reason.

I have stuff I loaded in 2012, Tula cases, that has been rust-free in GI ammo cans while stored in California, Nevada, and Oklahoma (yeah, military moves).

I get about 3 loadings on each case. They always split at the neck, and when I get one case that splits I dump the entire batch. I will load whatever I pick up that has boxer priming, but that is generally only Tula and one of the Wolf sources. No issues with neck tension, or wear to the resizing dies, or whatever other "you can't reload steel!!" rumors that have been told and re-told. I shoot it through all my ARs, although I have a circa 2011 PSA with a 4140 barrel that I've put a good chunk of it through. At least 5,000 rounds.

I usually load it with 25gr of Varget. Generally 55 gr projectiles, since it is just for range plinking. Remember that most of the "damage" during the LuckyGunner test was because of crappy Russian powder and the bimetal projectiles....so my PSA barrel still looks great even with all that steel case -- reloaded steel case! -- down it.

I primarily started doing it because the range I shot at was populated by a lot of reloaders so there was very little brass left to pick up. There was, however, plenty of steel, and because I like going against the grain and making nay-sayers heads explode, I decided to try loading it. Overall a big success in my book.

I don't do it much anymore because 5.56 prices have been so good lately, plus where I shoot now I have more 5.56 brass pick-ups than I know what to do with. I still have a batch of steel, though, that is cleaned and prepped and ready to load whenever the feeling strikes me.

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ME those look great. Looks like nickle. I figured the polishing provided a certain degree of resistance. Certainly it aids in function as in smooth chambering. To bad they just dont make them this was to begin with.
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I've never had a problem running steel in an AR. It isn't my first choice, but when money is tight th steel cased ammo works just fine.
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Used to hear that the lacquer on the steel case stuff would gum up in chambers after a while. But that was probably 15 years ago this rumor was going around. Also heard that it's hard on extractors. Both claims almost certainly BS.

I've shot thousands of rounds of steel cased stuff through AKs and ARs and never a problem. It's a great choice for blasting ammo because of the price. Smells like ass though.
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It's not the case material, but the gas port pressure that can cause problems with commercial ammo.

The US military spent millions to develop steel cases in case there is a shortage of copper to make brass.

The Barnaul ammo has close to the proper gas port pressure, but the Tulammo ammo tends to be way off for gas port pressure.

The current Wolf and Colt steel case ammo is made by Barnaul.

Tulammo makes a 62 grain FMJ bullet but gas port pressure is questionable.

Barnaul makes a 62 grain hollow point and doesn't catalog 62 grain FMJ ammo but makes 62 grain FMJ ammo for Colt and Wolf and this might be seen sold under the Barnaul name too.
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I've reloaded steel 7.62x39 back in the early 90's when there was little and it was expensive. A lot more work than boxer primed. Not pretty like yours though.
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This is the AK Files. You are supposed to run your AR with steel.
Brass is too shiny, it will burn out your retinas.
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If an AR won’t run steel I get rid of it.... Get the Barnaul mil spec .223 so you get the red sealant all inside your rifle. That ammo is exceptional.
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I only shoot steel, shooting anything else is a waste of money for blasting.
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Your AR15 if built correctly should run steel cased ammo just fine. It makes for cheaper plinking and target practice.

I've run mixed steel and brass ammo in my AR builds for years without any major issues. Just lube and clean the rifles like you normally would. Steel cased ammo tends to be dirtier so if anything, just clean your AR more frequently and lube more generously.
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If an AR won’t run steel I get rid of it.... Get the Barnaul mil spec .223 so you get the red sealant all inside your rifle. That ammo is exceptional.
Not sure if sarcasm. .....

Seriously, i am looking to stock up on some 5.56 ammo and saw the above .223 'lacquered and sealed' for sale at sg ammo; what's the opinion on this vs 'battle packs' for long term 5.56 storage?

And, my PSA upper and premium bcg have eaten any ammo ive fed it whether it be steel or brass
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Not sure if sarcasm. .....

Seriously, i am looking to stock up on some 5.56 ammo and saw the above .223 'lacquered and sealed' for sale at sg ammo; what's the opinion on this vs 'battle packs' for long term 5.56 storage?

And, my PSA upper and premium bcg have eaten any ammo ive fed it whether it be steel or brass
No sarcasm at all, love the ammo.
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If an AR won’t run steel I get rid of it....
Same exact policy here.

That's why I won't buy one of those Wolf T91 oriental uppers, they need brass to run right.
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My Standard LE6920 Upper and PSA lower mutt eats Wolf 62gr like candy.
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Same exact policy here.

That's why I won't buy one of those Wolf T91 oriental uppers, they need brass to run right.
Only on the shortened version and only as little as 75 rounds. The tolerances are very tight and the real reason is because the steel loads are underpowered. Reduced power spring, problem goes away.
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Same exact policy here.

That's why I won't buy one of those Wolf T91 oriental uppers, they need brass to run right.
Was it "they need brass to run right" or was it "they need a couple hundred rounds of brass through for break-in"?
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All my ARs run on steel cased. Only steel cased I had issues with was that bad batch of .223 Golden Tiger, which I returned. I kinda am OCD about not wasting a good reloadable brass case, steel I can shoot and don't have to worry about picking them up. If I have to pick them up a magnet on a stick makes quick work of it. Still in search of a magnet that will pick up brass cased.
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Damn right.

If ANY firearm I buy refuses to run steel cased ammo, I get rid of it. Including pistols.

That being said, I have yet to buy an AR that wouldn't shoot it, even the crappy nitride barrel on the AR pistol runs it just fine, so far.
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Damn right.

If ANY firearm I buy refuses to run steel cased ammo, I get rid of it. Including pistols.

That being said, I have yet to buy an AR that wouldn't shoot it, even the crappy nitride barrel on the AR pistol runs it just fine, so far.
Same here across any gun. And why I wouldn't bother with the 223 Wylde craze if it's going to be a blaster or all-purpose gun that potentially couldn't handle steel.

The only time I probably wouldn't use it would be in some $2k build setup for flea-hair accuracy with an expensive stainless barrel. In that case, no sense putting 85 octane in a Ferrari.
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Same exact policy here.

That's why I won't buy one of those Wolf T91 oriental uppers, they need brass to run right.
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Was it "they need brass to run right" or was it "they need a couple hundred rounds of brass through for break-in"?
Nails nailed it, it's only for break-in Aces, at least in my experience. Both my 16 inch one and the 12 inch one run steel just fine now. Neither like Tula, but I have other ARs that don't like tula either, it is underpowered.
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