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Old 04-14-2018, 06:48 PM   #1
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Looking to add a 4pc to my Pap M92. Are CNC , US Machinegun and AK Builder the only games in town? Any other manufacturers make the 26 x 1.5 LH? Any differences in quality between these three companies? Thx for the input.
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Old 04-14-2018, 07:10 PM   #2
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When I was researching I went with the AKbuilder. The detent cutouts, from what i remember reading, were sometimes out of spec on the CNC
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Old 04-15-2018, 12:42 PM   #3
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I bought the CNC 4 pc . Excellent product that pretty much eliminated fireballs for m92 & m85. Also reduced some noise and pushes the report further down range. Money well spent. Just make sure you have a detent pin. Some paps have them some don't.
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I bought the CNC 4 pc . Excellent product that pretty much eliminated fireballs for m92 & m85. Also reduced some noise and pushes the report further down range. Money well spent. Just make sure you have a detent pin. Some paps have them some don't.
Does not reduce noise, unless you pay the man.
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Does not reduce noise, unless you pay the man.
My Draco "seems" a lot quieter with the 4 piece over the flash hider it came with. The 4 piece directs the sound away from the shooter so it seems quieter
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That’s the right idea. The report is the same, it is just not as noticeable to the shooter. I’m assuming these devices direct the noise downrange more effectively.
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My Draco "seems" a lot quieter with the 4 piece over the flash hider it came with. The 4 piece directs the sound away from the shooter so it seems quieter
Yes, the 4pc basically redirects the blast forward.

Best for the shooter. Also good for friendly people to either side or behind them.

OP, I have used 4pc's for Bulgarian 24mm from AKB and CNC warrior. I will say that my experience is they are just about identical and work.
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I've got the CNC 4 piece on my M92 and it's awesome. Zero flash, less blast for the shooter, very happy with it.
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Yes, the 4pc basically redirects the blast forward.

Best for the shooter. Also good for friendly people to either side or behind them.

OP, I have used 4pc's for Bulgarian 24mm from AKB and CNC warrior. I will say that my experience is they are just about identical and work.
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I've got the CNC 4 piece on my M92 and it's awesome. Zero flash, less blast for the shooter, very happy with it.
And this ^^ I have the CNCW 4 piece. Works great and no flash.
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My Draco "seems" a lot quieter with the 4 piece over the flash hider it came with. The 4 piece directs the sound away from the shooter so it seems quieter


That was my point.
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Unless your heart is absolutely set on the 4-piece (which is a seriously heavy hunk of metal), I'd give the Manticore Eclipse a look. A lot lighter and actually works better as a flash hider.
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Unless your heart is absolutely set on the 4-piece (which is a seriously heavy hunk of metal), I'd give the Manticore Eclipse a look. A lot lighter and actually works better as a flash hider.
He doesn't test the Eclipse here, but does the CNCW Bulgarian 4Pc.
I'd say it would be hard to beat.

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He doesn't test the Eclipse here, but does the CNCW Bulgarian 4Pc.
I'd say it would be hard to beat.


The Manticore Nightbrake, shown in the video above, is a muzzle brake, not a flash suppressor, anyway. Manticore did make a Night Shroud flash hider, which was superseded by the Eclipse a year or two ago.

I'm just going from personal experience on a Mini Draco shooting pretty flashy Tula SPs in the pitch dark along with other less flashy loads, comparing the Eclipse to the CNC 4 piece.

The CNC 4 piece works well for sure, and it certainly "looks" bad ass, but it's a big, heavy chunk of metal.

But, in my experience, testing the two head to head, the Eclipse just worked a bit better to suppress the flash, and is much lighter (and cheaper).

I did not notice any "pinging" effect, but YMMV:


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Old 04-23-2018, 12:17 PM   #14
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The only time I see a little flash coming out of my Bulgarian 4 piece is if I'm actin' a fool and bumpfiring it with a 40 round or something. Even then, its not a fireball or anything. When shooting regularly, it does a fantastic job. I say get at least 1 good flash hider and one good break, and the 4 piece fits the bill.

If shit goes down and government overreach makes things go all 1776 again, I think hiding fireballs that give away your position will make the 4 piece pay for itself.

Wouldn't the weight on the end reduce muzzle flip? Or do you guys think with a punchy AK pistol, that's neither here nor there?
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I have yet to notice ANY flash out of my mini with the 4 piece
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The only time I see a little flash coming out of my Bulgarian 4 piece is if I'm actin' a fool and bumpfiring it with a 40 round or something. Even then, its not a fireball or anything. When shooting regularly, it does a fantastic job. I say get at least 1 good flash hider and one good break, and the 4 piece fits the bill.

If shit goes down and government overreach makes things go all 1776 again, I think hiding fireballs that give away your position will make the 4 piece pay for itself.

Wouldn't the weight on the end reduce muzzle flip? Or do you guys think with a punchy AK pistol, that's neither here nor there?

Muzzle flip / recoil out of a short barrel AK pistol is pretty negligible, anyway (at least in my experience), muzzle flash, on the other hand, is the big problem.

I would probably keep the 4 pc. on my Mini Draco just because a 7" bbl. on an AK is too short, IMO, and I want to lessen the chance of blowing off my front hand in rapid fire. I prefer a 10" or longer bbl. on a AK pistol, in which case, I'd go with the Eclipse because it's so much lighter and works just as well.
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