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Old 02-22-2019, 09:59 PM   #1
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Just got a Chinese SKS and looking to get a Russia one.
Is the going rate this:
Rearsenaled one or not matching around $450-500
All matching original $500-$600
Does that sound correct?
Also, did some come from the factory with laminated stocks.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:14 PM   #2
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Add about $100 to that these days. And yes, the last three years of Russians could have original laminated stocks. They won't have a date on the receiver cover but will have a Cyrillic letter after the serial number with a star after that.
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I have not seen all matching non refurbished russian SKS in decent condition under $800 in a long time.
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IF you can get those price ranges, it's a good deal.

Russian prices have increased the most among the standard variants. Most online prices will be 200-500 higher.

But phenomenal deals are still out there if you're patient. Out-of-the-way shops are still the way to go for sleepers.
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I have not seen all matching non refurbished russian SKS in decent condition under $800 in a long time.
I know where there is one under $800... But some asshole pinned a muzzle brake on it.
Actual non-refurbs are pretty uncommon anyway. Most pimped as such are really light refurbs.
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I've had good luck by not seeking them out and letting opportunities present themselves. Saves money and I'm less likely to overlook issues with the guns. I had a 1954 or '53 nonrefurb fall into my lap a few years back for around $350. Also had a 1950 refurb fall into my lap. Both are tucked away in my safe now. Good luck in your search!
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Got this one. Seller says it’s all original and matching.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/801083968
Thanks for everyone’s help!
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Too hard to determine if it's actually a refurb or not based on lack of pictures but nonetheless it looks very nice and for $500 either way it's a good deal in that condition.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:48 AM   #9
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Nice 51!
That 45 degree gas block is something I want to add to my collection in the form of a 50-51...rather than the actual handful of them I have not attached to a rifle.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:48 PM   #10
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An "as issued" 51 should look like this:

Top cover marking:


Stock markings:











Serial number locations:



















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Protective gold colored storage coating on blade:







Unfortunately, I can't tell you how well/poorly it shoots because, as far as I can tell, it's never been shot. The good thing is, this is a good way of showing that it really is "as issued" because, having never been fired, there was never a reason to do anything to it:









As to the one that sold on GB, I can't say if it's as issued or not because there aren't enough pictures. I can say that I wouldn't sell mine for $1500 let alone $500.
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Wow thanks for the detailed pics. I will compare when I get it.
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That's a great 1951 there!

Just beautiful.
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Thank you sir.
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Thank you sir.
Mine is a 54 as issued and it's never been shot either yet it's still somehow my favorite rifle lol. Like you I will never sell it. I do however have two kidneys.
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Schweet!! I don't want to sound opportunistic but these things are better than money in the stock market. In ten years, I predict the value will be way up there.
I don't have many SKS's but I try to buy Quality when I do consider one:

Starting from the top is a 1952, 1952, a couple 1954 Tulas and a 1954 Izhevsk. With the exception of the 1952 all are as issued and, of them only the Izhevsk shows any sign of having been shot. The 1952 is a light rework. I generally won't even consider a rework but I just loved the stock on this one. Plus, its a new stock numbered to this rifle, not a reused one from some other rifle. The handguard was not replaced. By light refurb, I mean that, other than the stock not one part was replaced. All they did was dip blue the entire rifle, put a new laminate stock on it and call it a day. This one I can shoot too without worrying about scratches and wear marks.


An interesting thing about the 52 is that they marked it with the year of rework and then blued over it. It's so well covered that you have to have it in just the right light to see it.
The tell tale sign is how much shinier the rear of the top cover is:



Then, when you get the light just right you can see a "19":



Rework arsenal mark:


"67":



For comparison, here is the stamp on a PU sniper I have that was reworked in 1968:



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Mine is a 54 as issued and it's never been shot either yet it's still somehow my favorite rifle lol. Like you I will never sell it. I do however have two kidneys.
My 54 is a non-refurb Izzy... but I've shot her
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Got this one. Seller says it’s all original and matching.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/801083968
Thanks for everyone’s help!
The rifle in the photos is a refurb. It's not 'original', per se, but has been through an arsenal refurbishment. The pictures aren't great but you can easily tell that the finish on the stock is not original and that the serial numbers on the stock have been marked out and re-stamped. Also, on the top cover, you can see the diamond shaped refurb stamp.
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My 54 is a non-refurb Izzy... but I've shot her
They're such beautiful works of art especially when you find an as issued. I'm always on the lookout for another one.
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They're such beautiful works of art especially when you find an as issued. I'm always on the lookout for another one.
I love her! That wood is GORGEOUS! I got INCREDIBLY lucky, found it at a local shop known for gouging the hell out of prices, but I guess they didn't realize the difference between a refurb Tula and a nonrefurb Izzy. It wasn't cheap, but it wasn't NEARLY what it should have been lol.
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Is $500 shipped a good deal for referb?
Owner said every single part matched
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It's about the going rate.
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I love her! That wood is GORGEOUS! I got INCREDIBLY lucky, found it at a local shop known for gouging the hell out of prices, but I guess they didn't realize the difference between a refurb Tula and a nonrefurb Izzy. It wasn't cheap, but it wasn't NEARLY what it should have been lol.
I'm not ashamed to say I paid $650 otd for my 54 as issued tula. It's a little hefty to some but 10-20 years from now will be a different story. Ive seen some go for 1k on auction sites. Besides I'm a young buck so unless I build a time machine... I agree with them being better than investing in the stock market.
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Damn Wilhelm!! You've got some beautiful rifles in your collection! Congrats!!
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I'm not ashamed to say I paid $650 otd for my 54 as issued tula. It's a little hefty to some but 10-20 years from now will be a different story. Ive seen some go for 1k on auction sites. Besides I'm a young buck so unless I build a time machine... I agree with them being better than investing in the stock market.
I wouldn't balk at $650. I paid $550 for a Tula (the ones we thought were ex DDR lol) back in 2012? 2013?

I'm with you in that young boat. If we want in, there's nothing we can do but pray and pay lol.
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Good buy. The Russians are well built, like the wood they used.
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I wouldn't balk at $650. I paid $550 for a Tula (the ones we thought were ex DDR lol) back in 2012? 2013?

I'm with you in that young boat. If we want in, there's nothing we can do but pray and pay lol.
Pray and pay we may lol. I actually bought it last February so considering I only paid $100 more than you did 5-6 years later I'm glad I got it lol. The shop owner had it on consignment from an older guy who had passed away and his kids were selling off his collection. Apparently had 3 svt40 and some other nice surplus rifles that were all in great shape. Once I saw the sks and how beautiful the stock was, I was hooked. I didnt know much about them at the time but did alot of research and ultimately came to find out it was as issued and would be willing to wager damn near anything to say it's never been fired. Everything is bright and shiny just like 1954 lol. Anyway he was asking $795 but I got him to come down to $650 and we shook hands and I was very happy. Especially considering less than 2 miles down the road at the lgs I frequent more often, they had a beat up chinese for $500 and two Russians that were clearly refurbished (one very heavily) and the stocks beat to hell for $700.
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Just paid $500 on Armslist for a Non-Refurb all matching Izhevsk 1954
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371680
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Shit gents I was just telling the wife I was thinking about asking if any one might want to trade 10 ((10)) newer Bulgarian waffles for a rifle? I might have to just post that lol
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Good info gents. I knew they had went up in value, but didn't know how much. I haven't had mine out in a while and I don't remember the details, so I'll have to get it out and see if it's a refurb or not. IIRC it's a 54 and I know it's in a laminated stock. I bought it in the early to mid 90s for $110 and I have shot it.
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Good info gents. I knew they had went up in value, but didn't know how much. I haven't had mine out in a while and I don't remember the details, so I'll have to get it out and see if it's a refurb or not. IIRC it's a 54 and I know it's in a laminated stock. I bought it in the early to mid 90s for $110 and I have shot it.
1954 in a laminate stock is a refurb. Birch hardwood was the standard for that year of production.

But even nice refurbs are selling for high premiums, and for the price you paid nearly three decades ago, you're as good as gold.
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Just paid $500 on Armslist for a Non-Refurb all matching Izhevsk 1954
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371680
Yeah, but that's not normal at all. You stole that one!

That's easily a $1000+ rifle.
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Well seller wasn’t quite forthcoming. After telling me all original and matching.
Rifle is a rebuild and non matching floor plate and forced matched stock.
He is sending me $25 back... so total after everything is $475.
That fair?
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Well seller wasn’t quite forthcoming. After telling me all original and matching.
Rifle is a rebuild and non matching floor plate and forced matched stock.
He is sending me $25 back... so total after everything is $475.
That fair?
I mean, the price isn't bad, but I woulda walked entirely just on the principle of his dishonesty. Or demanded a LOT more than $25.
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I mean, the price isn't bad, but I woulda walked entirely just on the principle of his dishonesty. Or demanded a LOT more than $25.
I agree. Principle alone would keep me from buying it once I am lied to.


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Just got a Chinese SKS and looking to get a Russia one.
Is the going rate this:
Rearsenaled one or not matching around $450-500
All matching original $500-$600
Does that sound correct?
Also, did some come from the factory with laminated stocks.
Again thanks for educating someone that is learning!!

Man you bet they had laminated wood on some
Backin the early 90s when I was an FNG "learning" as far as AKs ,etc go
I was looking for some parts & went to talk to a guy who always had all kinds of comblock goodies at LGS in SW FLA.
He showed me a mint '53 SKS russian, outrageous laminated wood [best I EVER saw]
Kick myself everytime I think about it for not jumpin' on that one....matter of fact look at the "SKS IN ACTION" thread scroll down pg1 to pic of "Russin SKS being fired for 1st time " it looked just like THAT...........oh man
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