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Old 04-16-2018, 08:46 PM   #71
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Good idea, and also good luck sourcing a true Russian AKM barrel.
Saiga and VEPR barrels have different profiles, so wouldn't work with the AKM GB and trunnion. At least not without mods.

Either the Polish FB or Romanian Cugir barrel would work fine though.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:32 PM   #72
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I want a Russian only
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:55 PM   #73
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I want a Russian only
Vodka or women? HeHe.

Seriously, if that's the case I would pick up one of the Russian AKM kits at Rguns soon.

They recently sold out of the Tula kits and may be getting low on the Izhmash kits.

The Russian kits are already pricey. I hate to see how much private sellers are going to want for one when Rguns is finally is out of stock.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:03 PM   #74
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I want a Russian only
If you're set on wanting Russian only, I'd probably just recommend getting an SGL-21. It's as close to an AK-103 as we'll ever be able to get in the USA (and is all Russian minus the few 922r parts, like the trigger group and muzzle brake).

I honestly wish you the best of luck in your quest for a Russian AKM barrel! Like Misha said, finding an original Russian AKM barrel, though not impossible, is extremely difficult. Even if you found a barrel and a nice matching kit, you would probably need to build it on a US receiver (though they do make some very nice looking copies of the originals and I would love to have a matching numbers, original military barrel, Russian AKM quality build).

Let us know what route you decide to take! If you go with a build be sure to share some pics!
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:33 PM   #75
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If you are set on a Russian AKM build and are going to do it right (and you seem to want to), here is a link that will provide a lot of information on the specific differences between Russian AKMs.

http://www.theakforum.net/forums/29-...s-1968-up.html

Even after you have the kit you will most likely have to find "correct" parts for your rifle. Some of the parts may be from the wrong arsenal, others may be from the wrong year rifle. The furniture may be refurbished not so well and you might want to find a better set.

Anyhow that link will give you some idea of the differences.
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:11 AM   #76
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The design of the gun is more important in the authenticity of a "Russian AKM" than the country of manufacture. An AKM put together with Polish parts, a Russian marked Childers receiver and a Russian stock set is a lot closer to being the "real thing" than an SGL-21with an AKM stock set. It's like an FE pattern engine built with a Robert Pond or Shelby block is a whole lot closer to being a real 427 Ford Sideoiler than either a 460 big block or a 427 Windsor even though they were actually built by Ford whereas an engine with an aftermarket FE block was not.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:27 AM   #77
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I've done the Polish AKM build thing too. It was a lot of fun. I'll be interested to learn what the OP ends up going with and doing, so please do update us, cheers.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:30 PM   #78
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Thanks Mishaco. Love your you tube vids too...
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:45 AM   #79
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Thanks Mishaco. Love your you tube vids too...
Yep, he has earned a sub from me too. Great information on that channel.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:25 PM   #80
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That's a sweet RPKS you have on GB!
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Old 04-19-2018, 03:39 AM   #81
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Does anyone know if these even came into the country? If they did, any idea what one would cost?
Let me be the first to answer your question
Russian AKM does not exist. When they were made in 1960s they were Soviet AKM. Soviets quit making AKM sometimes in 1970s. They were never imported into USA, you will never own one legally in the USA.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:22 AM   #82
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I figured as such......
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:11 AM   #83
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While we’re on the topic, can anyone tell me what’s so special about this “Russian ak” other than being a dressed up sgl-21
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/764802403
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:16 AM   #84
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I came across this one too. Is this another dressed up sgl + swapped gas block? Did any Saiga receivers come in with selector markings?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/763656219
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:34 AM   #85
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While we’re on the topic, can anyone tell me what’s so special about this “Russian ak” other than being a dressed up sgl-21
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/764802403
It’s not even an SGL, it’s a Saiga. People are going stupid over Saigas on Gunbroker IMO. The extra trigger holes/rivets ruin it for me personally and there are prebans that are less than what that one is going for.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:48 AM   #87
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The Saiga Line of sporter AK variant rifles in the standard calibers of 5.56/ .223 and 7.62X39) have AK-74 receivers. I would trust them as well as any AK-74 military rifle out of the factory, and own quite a few.

The MADI, manufactured in Egypt on Russian supplied AKM mfg equipment certainly is the closest to a production Russian AKM that was imported into the USA, in my opinion.

For a more expert take on the Saiga and a range of AKM makes contact DGS Manufacturing in Ft Myers FL - his shop is on the internet. (Donald Quinell is the owner and builder.) He used to convert Saiga rifles in large quantities and electro coat the finish. Has built AKM's and other AK types for the Feds, and many for commercial sale off of parts kits in past years. He built the second Saiga 5.56 rifle in the USA (Before the .223 Saiga rifles were ever imported) for me by converting a 7.62X39 Saiga to a 5.56 rifle. ( Remember the receiver is an AK 74 receiver without dimples) He has built MP5's and numerous other types.
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:14 PM   #88
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This is my legit Russian 1977 AKMS original receiver & barrel LEGALLY rewelded as a semi-auto.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4529/3...b19fc503_b.jpg


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