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Old 05-19-2017, 01:29 PM   #3011
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i wish at least he used a goddamn spell-check. trying to navigate though his ramblings while attempting figure out what he meant to say due to constant spell errors reminds me of a similar scenario, teaching calculus to someone with a down syndrome.
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Besides gay target guns that shoot 1/256 MOA @ 10 miles in obscure calibers nobody knows about, what have you done for the community.
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i wish at least he used a goddamn spell-check. trying to navigate though his ramblings while attempting figure out what he meant to say due to constant spell errors reminds me of a similar scenario, teaching calculus to someone with a down syndrome.
...or learned how to use the quote button.
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...or learned how to use the quote button.
yea thats the other one....
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GEEEES. You guys still at it?????
1) the 5.45X39 is a more efficient cartridge, does the same thing 5.56X45 does with less case capacity and longer bullets
2) the 5.56X45 has like 30 more different bullets and loads with it - for now.
Who knows what the U.S. Ammo makers have in store for the future of 5.45X39.
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I do not believe ammo makers will have much incentive to tool up and start producing 5.45 components for the very limited market. If imports were ever banned that would pretty much be the end of it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:42 PM   #3018
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GEEEES. You guys still at it?????
1) the 5.45X39 is a more efficient cartridge, does the same thing 5.56X45 does with less case capacity and longer bullets
2) the 5.56X45 has like 30 more different bullets and loads with it - for now.
Who knows what the U.S. Ammo makers have in store for the future of 5.45X39.
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and like fifty more guns. Also the efficient thing only applys to milsurp, and the 5.56 surpasses it in every other form, and is every bit its equal there.

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I do not believe ammo makers will have much incentive to tool up and start producing 5.45 components for the very limited market. If imports were ever banned that would pretty much be the end of it.
During the duration of this shitstorm, I have contacted a number of ammo producers in the U.S. asking about the possibilities of them producing 5.45. The responses have ranged from no plans, to not at the present time, to an emphatic, we will not be producing 5.45 (Winchester).

I only have yet to hear back from Starline, all the rest, negative.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:11 PM   #3019
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Talk is cheap if you think I have second account prove it !
I could give two fucks about post count.
I have something like 16,000 posts on another site alone discussing AKs big deal. At least there the goal was not to be a dick to every one.

Exactly what have you two contributed?
Don't like my builds fine build one better.
Any dick head can go buy some Saiga or other rifle what skill does that involve.
Aside from talk about some shit you bought and what model number you read about being better and it's cost .
Yet there you are calling stuff gay.
You have the least accurate rifle and ammo combination devised in the last 50 years. Accept that for what it is.
Stop making up facts and figures that are complete BS.
Wow you have a AK so what.
I post the stuff I do that's differant.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:33 PM   #3020
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During the duration of this shitstorm, I have contacted a number of ammo producers in the U.S. asking about the possibilities of them producing 5.45. The responses have ranged from no plans, to not at the present time, to an emphatic, we will not be producing 5.45 (Winchester).

I only have yet to hear back from Starline, all the rest, negative.
Bullshit. Quit making up shit you think I'm going to agree with just because I already stated nobody is going to make it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:36 PM   #3021
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wish at least he used a goddamn spell-check. trying to navigate though his ramblings while attempting figure out what he meant to say due to constant spell errors reminds me of a similar scenario, teaching calculus to someone with a down syndrome
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Don't read it if you don't like it.
You clearly are a expert at all things gun related. Aside from cutting people down what the fuck have you contributed??

Disprove some of the facts I have posted if you think I'm so wrong. Lot of experts good at talking shit not so good at presenting facts.

At least guy like Hondo can question a number or statement I make ,give numbers to support his thoughts and not be a dick wad about it. I have no problem discussing facts and figures with sombody like him who has a clue beyond knowing how to order ammo on line.

Ask were people are getting this cheap ammo and you get nothing. Likely because it's not true or there supply is limited. Great a round you have to keep its source on the down low. Yea that's a big advantage.
Is it some gut selling it out of his trunk?

Guys making up ballistic numbers that are impossable. Stating things about loads that don't exist and you can't even make with out major effort.

More effeciant? Prove it.
What chamber pressure are you doing more with less?
Despite these claims the round is still is slower and less accurate. If I want 5.45 performance I have to down load.

You do realize 5.56 evolved from a round that was the most accurate on the planet at one time??

No matter how effeciant you think 5.45 is your never going to out run the 223.

It's not doing more with less it's doing less with less and doing it not as well.
Even if it was more effeciant so what? Great you saved a grain of powder to have nothing better over a 5.56.
That's like the looser of a car race bragging he gets better fuel mileage.

Any person who can legaly own a fire arm can walk into walmart and for under $400 buy a rifle and ammo that will shoot more accurately, faster and cheaper with more enetgy or killing power than ANY 5.45 on the planet with factory ammo.
If I'm wrong then prove it! Other wise the 5.45 is inferiour.
The mere fact it fits a AK 74 dosent make it better.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:47 PM   #3022
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Sombody will make it if the crap sold now stops coming in. There is no real market selling high quality ammo to low quality shooters.
MOST 5.45 shooters care more about cost for spray and pray type shooting than accuracy .
There not going to pay more for ammo as long as there is something cheaper that sends a bullet out of the barrel.

95% of the popularity of 5.45 is based on it being cheap at one point. Same goes for guys who bought AR uppers to shoot it. It about it being cheap and going bang.

If starline will make brass for wild cats like the 45 raptor then if your willing to buy enough they might consider it.
Possable not because it's not a common case head for a rifle round.

I think the 45 Raptor guys ordered 50,000 cases?
Don't quote me on the number. It was a lot.

There might be a few guys who would like to step up the 5.45 performance and accuracy and pay more but there is not enough to make it profitable when there are people wating for runs of other ammo more popular.
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http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44231

If your ever going to reload 5.45. one would be wise to copy and save this thread and search out a older gunco thread if it still exists.
What is not mentioned in that thread was the accuracy or lack of it.
I never had much luck with my loads . As stated the tantal is not the most accurate 5.45 rifle and that's what I was using then.

There is good info there. Notice it wasent a bunch of guys calling every one fags back then.
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3 more nonsensical posts in a row that I won't even bother to read. That kid REALLY needs some attention, he should buy a dog.

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Old 05-19-2017, 09:12 PM   #3025
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Yea posting a thread with good info on reloading 5.45 is nonsensical to you.
But once again your offering up nothing but insults and nothing gun related.
Kid ???? Now your just being stupid .
I likely have been building AKs longer than 90% of the people here. Those do g it longer I likely learned something from.
You on the other hand learn nor teach any thing.

Find one person I have not tried to help that asked for it. Even when I can't do work for others I offer help if I can.
How are you helping by trolling a site calling people names acussing them of having multiple accounts and posting made up facts??

You want to learn some actual benifit a 5.45 might have read the thread I linked.
I was reloading 5.45 before him but he dud a lot more work and documented a lot more stuff than I .
If someone wants to learn about making good 5.45 it's a good place to start.

Now go back to your name calling and coluding with team 5.45. Maybe you could all meet for a pray and spray party.
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Bullshit. Quit making up shit you think I'm going to agree with just because I already stated nobody is going to make it.
Who peed in your porridge tonight.

Sorry but absolutely true, here's what Winchester said:

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We appreciate your business and we look forward to providing you with the same high level of customer service and support you have come to expect from us.

Here is the initial question/comment you submitted to Winchester on 4/13/2017along with our response.

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Are you going to produce any 5.45x39 boxer primed brass cases or loaded ammunition anytime soon?

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We will not be manufacturing ammunition in the 5.45 X 39 caliber.

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Thank you for your feedback and for being a valued Winchester customer.

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I am not aware of any plans to produce ammunition in that caliber at this time. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Have a great day!



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Can't find the Federal one right now, and all I've gotten from Starline is an acknowledgemnt of receiving my question.

Maybe if you and a few others on team 5.45 took the 2-3 minutes of your time to contact them, and got others to do likewise, maybe one of them would reconsider.

Oh wait, I forgot, you've all got lifetime supplies of 7N6 5,45 stacked in your basements and garages, and would rather garage sale for what you need instead of picking it up retail or online.

Screw the rest of us wanting more/better easy to find 5,45 right?
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You made all that up.
No way can it be true.
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Don't read it if you don't like it.
You clearly are a expert at all things gun related. Aside from cutting people down what the fuck have you contributed??

Disprove some of the facts I have posted if you think I'm so wrong. Lot of experts good at talking shit not so good at presenting facts.

At least guy like Hondo can question a number or statement I make ,give numbers to support his thoughts and not be a dick wad about it. I have no problem discussing facts and figures with sombody like him who has a clue beyond knowing how to order ammo on line.

Ask were people are getting this cheap ammo and you get nothing. Likely because it's not true or there supply is limited. Great a round you have to keep its source on the down low. Yea that's a big advantage.
Is it some gut selling it out of his trunk?

Guys making up ballistic numbers that are impossable. Stating things about loads that don't exist and you can't even make with out major effort.

More effeciant? Prove it.
What chamber pressure are you doing more with less?
Despite these claims the round is still is slower and less accurate. If I want 5.45 performance I have to down load.

You do realize 5.56 evolved from a round that was the most accurate on the planet at one time??

No matter how effeciant you think 5.45 is your never going to out run the 223.

It's not doing more with less it's doing less with less and doing it not as well.
Even if it was more effeciant so what? Great you saved a grain of powder to have nothing better over a 5.56.
That's like the looser of a car race bragging he gets better fuel mileage.

Any person who can legaly own a fire arm can walk into walmart and for under $400 buy a rifle and ammo that will shoot more accurately, faster and cheaper with more enetgy or killing power than ANY 5.45 on the planet with factory ammo.
If I'm wrong then prove it! Other wise the 5.45 is inferiour.
The mere fact it fits a AK 74 dosent make it better.
Damn, best post of the thread so far.

and no, I didn't make it up.

And its all true, especially the part about screwing the rest of us who want more and better 5.45.
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I'm looking at cases of 5.56 for my kids BD gift.
Man there are a lot of choices.
I honestly don't know what is the most accurate 30 c ed nt and under choice.
Tempted to get a 20 round box of each and try them all.
This will mainly be recreational target and plinking to get him shooting better.

There must be 20 choices of mil spec ammo with brass cases with differant countries of origin.
What is the best accuracy choice for a 1-7 5.56 chamber??

I can see how a simpleton could get confused by all the choices and only want a 5.45 were you have only a couple.
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Damn, best post of the thread so far.

and no, I didn't make it up.

And its all true, especially the part about screwing the rest of us who want more and better 5.45.
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I'm all for better 5.45.
It seems to scare a lot of 5.45 shooters however as it takes away there excuse for poor shooting performance.
I'd actualy like to see what Miller , Rob Ski Cornpone and others could do with better ammo.
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I'm all for better 5.45.
It seems to scare a lot of 5.45 shooters however as it takes away there excuse for poor shooting performance.
I'd actualy like to see what Miller , Rob Ski Cornpone and others could do with better ammo.
Learn to get beyond the bench fudd then you can talk to the rest of us about shooting.
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Yeah, no shit. This prick is too overweight for a 2 gun competition though and a bit too slow as well to make shots count when timed anyway. I cannot think of a more useless, more worthless thing to do with a firearm than to clamp it down in a vice, take half an hour to make a shot, and then pretend you actually know how to use an AK.
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Yea I need a excuse to discuss mag dumps and bump firing and urban warfare on zombies with some low rent cheap ass that cares only about if his gun goes bang.
You wouldn't know if a rifle was accurate if you had one.


My son all ready knows how to yank a trigger at nothing special.I want him to learn to actually shoot and hit things more than 100 yards away.

He actualy can shoot pretty well already has since he was 11. He has a pretty nice AKM since then. His slug gun groups are likely better than your crap at 100 yards.


It's funny 5.45 rifles and 7n6 is drying up nobody wants to make good ammo or any other rifle type to shoot ctap ammo and you sit here in judgment and a voice repersenting who?

About 10 million other shooters in this country that care about marksman ship and skill in the shooting sports, hunting and recreation use 5.56 and other popular calibers . Funny how even in a gun slump more and more 5.56 / 223 ammo ,guns and accessories become avaliable . Aparently there all wrong and your the only one right.
You think you have all the answers but you really don't know or have shit. Any body can buy a AK 74 and a pile of cheap shit ammo nobody really wants.. Shame they don't allow shooting at the town dump then guys like you would have a viable place to practice your imagined skills. Then again you would likely leave a worse mess than what was already there many 5.45 shooters seem have the same mentality.
News flash most skilled shooters want any thing to do with a expensive rifle that only shoots poor quality ammo.. Who really would spend near a grand on something with no ammo options and lousy accuracy? ?
The cheap rifle and ammo ship not only sailed it got sunk by 5.56 and 223 shooters who get more for less expense and government regulations.

So go blast away your stash but don't think for a second you repersent more than a very small minority.

Other than blasting at imaginary bad guys what skills do you have that anybody else dosent?? Any fool can yank a ttigger.
You have nothing over anyone.

EVERYONE HERE ALREADY KNEW HOW TO MISS SHIT .
What could you possably offer?
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Yeah, no shit. This prick is too overweight for a 2 gun competition though and a bit too slow as well to make shots count when timed anyway. I cannot think of a more useless, more worthless thing to do with a firearm than to clamp it down in a vice, take half an hour to make a shot, and then pretend you actually know
how to use an AK
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I don't own a thing that clamps down a rifle. I have likely killed more things shooting off hand than you.
I can do all the play things you do as welL or likely bettet.
Funny you mentioned two gun or what ever your imagined competion you likely suck at. It's funny that 5.56 /223 shooters rule it as well. Even when your trying to cut people down your showing your lack of knowledge.

You don't know shit about me aside from I have built some accurate AKs aside from my normal stuff.
You don't know my physical condition but yet I can still hike in kill a buck and get it hauled out.
What do you park 30 yards from your two gun BS?

Sooner or later were all going to get older or develope a disability. Of course there will be guys like you to ridicule
people. That seems to be a common componet of many 5.45 owners mind set.
Anybody else notice any one who has skills in any other shooting diciplines is automatically labeled as a fudd or some other derogatory name?

So back to your BLA BLA about minute of pie plate BS and low skill level shooting that you feel is only relevant form of rifle shooting and bull shit how your nutered clone of a real AK 74 is some battle weapon . Your the only one who's shooting type matters.
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Missing comes to mind. Not very cost effective.
Blowing through cases of ammo and not gaining any skills is another.

Yea yea your a skilled operator and AK expert .

That whole reason for sighting in a rifle must be lost on you.
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Yea I need a excuse to discuss mag dumps and bump firing and urban warfare on zombies with some low rent cheap ass that cares only about if his gun goes bang.
You wouldn't know if a rifle was accurate if you had one.


My son all ready knows how to yank a trigger at nothing special.I want him to learn to actually shoot and hit things more than 100 yards away.

He actualy can shoot pretty well already has since he was 11. He has a pretty nice AKM since then. His slug gun groups are likely better than your crap at 100 yards.


It's funny 5.45 rifles and 7n6 is drying up nobody wants to make good ammo or any other rifle type to shoot ctap ammo and you sit here in judgment and a voice repersenting who?

About 10 million other shooters in this country that care about marksman ship and skill in the shooting sports, hunting and recreation use 5.56 and other popular calibers . Funny how even in a gun slump more and more 5.56 / 223 ammo ,guns and accessories become avaliable . Aparently there all wrong and your the only one right.
You think you have all the answers but you really don't know or have shit. Any body can buy a AK 74 and a pile of cheap shit ammo nobody really wants.. Shame they don't allow shooting at the town dump then guys like you would have a viable place to practice your imagined skills. Then again you would likely leave a worse mess than what was already there many 5.45 shooters seem have the same mentality.
News flash most skilled shooters want any thing to do with a expensive rifle that only shoots poor quality ammo.. Who really would spend near a grand on something with no ammo options and lousy accuracy? ?
The cheap rifle and ammo ship not only sailed it got sunk by 5.56 and 223 shooters who get more for less expense and government regulations.

So go blast away your stash but don't think for a second you repersent more than a very small minority.

Other than blasting at imaginary bad guys what skills do you have that anybody else dosent?? Any fool can yank a ttigger.
You have nothing over anyone.

EVERYONE HERE ALREADY KNEW HOW TO MISS SHIT .
What could you possably offer?
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:37 PM   #3039
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So basically to sum all this up, 5.45 beats 5.56. The end.
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So basically to sum all this up, 5.45 beats 5.56. The end.
Meh. Depends on the criteria, round for round they're about the same. I prefer something that tumbles vs something that fragments or expands as tumbling happens more reliably at lower velocities and the 5.45 is a more reliable designed cartridge, nobody can argue that.

However 5.45 could be subjected to import bans, however, should this happen 5.56 prices will skyrocket considerably while 5.45 becomes basically unavailable anymore.

I will not be making an AR-15 my go to weapon though, I will remain with AKs and 5.45 is a heck of a lot easier and cheaper to find parts and magazines for so until such an ammo import ban actually exists 5.45 is the better choice in AKs hands down. Should an ammo ban occur, then I would consider other caliber options but it's a complete waste of time and money to do so at this point.
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Meh. Depends on the criteria, round for round they're about the same. I prefer something that tumbles vs something that fragments or expands as tumbling happens more reliably at lower velocities and the 5.45 is a more reliable designed cartridge, nobody can argue that.

However 5.45 could be subjected to import bans, however, should this happen 5.56 prices will skyrocket considerably while 5.45 becomes basically unavailable anymore.

I will not be making an AR-15 my go to weapon though, I will remain with AKs and 5.45 is a heck of a lot easier and cheaper to find parts and magazines for so until such an ammo import ban actually exists 5.45 is the better choice in AKs hands down. Should an ammo ban occur, then I would consider other caliber options but it's a complete waste of time and money to do so at this point.
Well if that happens 762 and 556 also get screwed and everything will be dumb expensive.
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Well if that happens 762 and 556 also get screwed and everything will be dumb expensive.
Exactly why it isn't worth worrying about crossing that bridge until we get to it. First of all it is extremely unlikely such an import ban will happen and if it did, all ammunition that enjoys low costs due to competition with the steel cased market will skyrocket in price.
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Why is it that "team 5.45" is so dead set against U.S. production of quality boxer primed 5.45x39 and components? I wonder what their true agenda is.

This "I've got my cookie" 7n6 stacked in the garage bullshit is getting old. The round is obviously inferior to the 5.56, and while we look to improve it to that level, they are not in support. WTF?
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Why is it that "team 5.45" is so dead set against U.S. production of quality boxer primed 5.45x39 and components? I wonder what their true agenda is.

This "I've got my cookie" 7n6 stacked in the garage bullshit is getting old. The round is obviously inferior to the 5.56, and while we look to improve it to that level, they are not in support. WTF?
Lacquer coated steel is fine in any flavor, foreign ammo is fine and not going anywhere.


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Lacquer coated steel is fine in any flavor, foreign ammo is fine and not going anywhere.


Now quit your passive aggressive faggotry
So you don't want a better more secure and easy to obtain supply of higher quality 5.45, you want to stay with your banned , obsolete 7n6 and the weak ass, single source commercial crap? Do you work for the Russian trade commision or what?

You are going to have to come up with more than your half assed name calling to make any gains in this argument. All it does, is make you look foolish young man.
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