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Old 05-19-2017, 07:59 AM   #1
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Has anyone seen any for sale? I finally got the 12......was lookin for a 20
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:02 AM   #2
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At this time, I suspect you'll need to make one for yourself.

Until the manufacturers get some quarterly returns ( or more ) to see some sales figures, I think they're gonna stick with the 12ga version.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:32 AM   #3
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At this time, I suspect you'll need to make one for yourself.

Until the manufacturers get some quarterly returns ( or more ) to see some sales figures, I think they're gonna stick with the 12ga version.
I thought about that......but unsure of the existing laws, if I take a PGO and saw it off....
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:22 AM   #4
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I thought about that......but unsure of the existing laws,
Good grief, we've been discussing this here for years, and have posted the law several times.

Two non-NFA firearms for your perusal - AK Files ( includes links to the legalities )

These firearms have been legal since 1934, but nobody thought about it much until recently . . .

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if I take a PGO and saw it off....
If you take an "other firearm" ( your factory "PGO" ) and "saw it off" so it's still in compliance with the law governing "other firearms", not sure I'm seeing a problem.
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I've always thought that 12 gauge was overkill for most things hunting except for big game or geese. A 20 gauge will kill an intruder just as dead as a 12 and my wife can use it too. I used to shoot skeet with a 20 gauge Wingmaster and had as many and most times more hits than the 12 gauge guys.
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I've always thought that 12 gauge was overkill for most things hunting except for big game or geese. A 20 gauge will kill an intruder just as dead as a 12 and my wife can use it too. I used to shoot skeet with a 20 gauge Wingmaster and had as many and most times more hits than the 12 gauge guys.
You know we're talking about 14" barreled personal protection guns, yes?

I suspect the natural wildlife will be safe from these.
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I don't know if 20 gauge gives that much benefit. You probably have more options for low power defensive loads in the 12 gauge. The real advantage I could see would be a receiver redesign that used mini shells better. That way you get some capacity.
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A 20 gauge will kill an intruder just as dead as a 12 and my wife can use it too. I used to shoot skeet with a 20 gauge Wingmaster and had as many and most times more hits than the 12 gauge guys.
12ga reduced recoil has the power of 12ga with the kick of 20ga. I see no point in going with a less lethal round in HOPES that it does just as good.

Put in some 12ga magnum buckshot rounds and tell her to man up, you too
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12ga reduced recoil has the power of 12ga with the kick of 20ga. I see no point in going with a less lethal round in HOPES that it does just as good.

Put in some 12ga magnum buckshot rounds and tell her to man up, you too
You say "less lethal", but how much "less dead" can "dead" get?

You shoot a sumbitch full of .410 000 Buck at point blank range, and he'll be "dead right there".


Some of you guys . . .
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Until the manufacturers get some quarterly returns ( or more ) to see some sales figures, I think they're gonna stick with the 12ga version.
This is why I am even holding off on the 12 gauge, once they have a nice ROI on their new line I bet we will be seeing some very good deals. Tooling up to crank these out probably cost a fair amount, but once they recoup that I bet their over head is probably less than their budget 500 line.

OP I am also a 20 gauge fan, I like that the wife and I can both train on the same hd weapon comfortably, and I have no doubt 20 gauge will do the trick.
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You say "less lethal", but how much "less dead" can "dead" get?

You shoot a sumbitch full of .410 000 Buck at point blank range, and he'll be "dead right there".


Some of you guys . . .
If we are talking point blank then I'd agree with you.

Several yards away in a house against a determined person on drugs... Don't agree with you much there.
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This is why I am even holding off on the 12 gauge, once they have a nice ROI on their new line I bet we will be seeing some very good deals. Tooling up to crank these out probably cost a fair amount, but once they recoup that I bet their over head is probably less than their budget 500 line.

OP I am also a 20 gauge fan, I like that the wife and I can both train on the same hd weapon comfortably, and I have no doubt 20 gauge will do the trick.
I see the price going up, not down.
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There is a 20 gauge Persuader version. About the same overall length but with a more vertical pistol grip.
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^ Ahhh! Buy Buy Buy...........
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This is why I am even holding off on the 12 gauge, once they have a nice ROI on their new line I bet we will be seeing some very good deals. Tooling up to crank these out probably cost a fair amount, but once they recoup that I bet their over head is probably less than their budget 500 line.

OP I am also a 20 gauge fan, I like that the wife and I can both train on the same hd weapon comfortably, and I have no doubt 20 gauge will do the trick.
Tooling??? An off the shelve grip. A slightly shorter barrel.. What am I missing?
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Tooling??? An off the shelve grip. A slightly shorter barrel.. What am I missing?
I do manufacturing for a living, small changes can make big differences. Not to mention marketing costs etc.
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There is a 20 gauge Persuader version. About the same overall length but with a more vertical pistol grip.
There is no "Persuader version" of the Shockwave.

The Persuader ( a pistol grip only 26" bbl'd firearm ) has been sold by Mossberg for over 30 years, in 12ga, 20ga and .410.
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I know, Nails. I was just offering an alternative product with similar characteristics to the OP.
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I know, Nails. I was just offering an alternative product with similar characteristics to the OP.
The OP is aware ( see his second post )
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I do manufacturing for a living, small changes can make big differences. Not to mention marketing costs etc.
Wow you make things and sell them!!! I don't know anyone that does that!!

They have been making the shorter barrels for some time for LE shotguns. And they have been sold as stand alone parts for some time.

Marketing cost? That is a logical reason to charge $100 more for 4" less of barrel and a bigger grip... NOT.
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Wow you make things and sell them!!! I don't know anyone that does that!!

They have been making the shorter barrels for some time for LE shotguns. And they have been sold as stand alone parts for some time.

Marketing cost? That is a logical reason to charge $100 more for 4" less of barrel and a bigger grip... NOT.
Keep on keeping on, I am a fan of big price hikes for small changes. Even if my materials costs go up I will skyrocket my prices, guess when I do when the materials go back down? Not a thing.
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You know we're talking about 14" barreled personal protection guns, yes?

I suspect the natural wildlife will be safe from these.
Did you read my whole post or just parts of it?

"I've always thought that 12 gauge was overkill for most things hunting except for big game or geese. A 20 gauge will kill an intruder just as dead as a 12 and my wife can use it too. I used to shoot skeet with a 20 gauge Wingmaster and had as many and most times more hits than the 12 gauge guys. "

My point was you don't need a 12 gauge to kill an intruder when a 20 gauge will do. No wonder everyone hates you.
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I've always thought that 12 gauge was overkill for most things hunting except for big game or geese. A 20 gauge will kill an intruder just as dead as a 12 and my wife can use it too. I used to shoot skeet with a 20 gauge Wingmaster and had as many and most times more hits than the 12 gauge guys.
Problem with 20 gauge is the lack of diversity (and cut rate prices) when it comes to shells as compared to 12 gauge. But, yeah, there wasn't much difference for me shooting trap between the 12 and 20.....but my brother would never use a 20 on waterfowl or turkey. Not that it isn't capable, rather, 12 gauge is more capable. Stepping through the window where you're not wanted, a 20 will knock you onto the lawn as fast as a 12 with the right load. A 20 Shockwave would be awesome. 410 Shockwave?
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There is no "Persuader version" of the Shockwave.

The Persuader ( a pistol grip only 26" bbl'd firearm ) has been sold by Mossberg for over 30 years, in 12ga, 20ga and .410.
What chu talking bout Willis?

Persuaders are either 18.5" 6 shots, or 20" 8 shots. They come with both a stock and pistol grip, or just a pistol grip. Pistol grip only 500's used to ba called Cruisers, but the lines seem to be blurred these days.
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There is no "Persuader version" of the Shockwave.

The Persuader ( a pistol grip only 26" bbl'd firearm ) has been sold by Mossberg for over 30 years, in 12ga, 20ga and .410.
What chu talking bout Willis?

Persuaders are either 18.5" 6 shots, or 20" 8 shots. They come with both a stock and pistol grip, or just a pistol grip. Pistol grip only 500's used to ba called Cruisers, but the lines seem to be blurred these days.
The Shockwave would be an offshoot ( a "version" ) of the Persuader, not the reverse.

Put another way, wot makes as much sense as what the quoted member posted:

"George H. W. Bush is a version of George. W. ( "Nookyaler!" ) Bush"
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Yeah, I'm with you, except when you said Persuaders are pistol grip only 26" barreled guns.
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Yeah, I'm with you, except when you said Persuaders are pistol grip only 26" barreled guns.
You know that law about how you can legally make a rifle from a pistol and then convert it back to a pistol?

If you substitute "other firearm", it works the same way.
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I'd sooner see a .410 shockwave than 20gay.
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Why not just get an Opsol adapter for the Shockwave and run Aguila minishells. With a +1 mag extension you can have 11 rounds.
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Why not just get an Opsol adapter for the Shockwave and run Aguila minishells. With a +1 mag extension you can have 11 rounds.
annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd.......lol I just did that very same thing, this also helps me with the Misses.....I don't have to say buy her a 20 gauge, she can now pick up the shockwave and handle business with the mini shells........only thing is ammo is a bit expensive per round, I got about 40 rounds for now and will go to the Dulles Show to get hopefully some better prices.....
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I've got a Satin Nickel/Maritime model on order, I'll post pics when it arrives.
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Why not just get an Opsol adapter for the Shockwave and run Aguila minishells. With a +1 mag extension you can have 11 rounds.
Those mini shells really shine in a short barrel tube gun.. Provided the adapter results in nearly 100% reliability then I say it is a great idea.
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