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Old 05-19-2017, 10:52 AM   #1
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Default Emergency bucket toilet additive?

I keep a disaster kit in 5 gallon buckets and I've been focusing on getting everything together for toilet duty like TP and garbage bags to line the bucket, but when it comes to chemicals I'm stumped. I've read before that you should have some sort of chemical added to a bucket toilet, but after all my searching I cannot find a definitive answer on the sort of chemical to use. There's odor control chemicals, gel powder for solidifying liquids, enzymes to break down waste and any combination of the three. What are the priorities for a bucket toilet? From what I've found, the gelling/odor control ones are usually used for camping, the enzymes that break down waste are used in septic systems and chemicals used in RVs and portable toilets are odor control with a varying degree of waste breakdown. I am looking for something that will go a long way if the bucket is gonna need to be used for a longer period. What should I look for, or are there any specific products you guys can recommend?
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How long are you planning this "emergency" to last?

Sounds like you're planning on settling in for the long haul with your bucket, when you should be thinking about getting a better sanitary system in place.


. . . but if you're insistent on living the bucket life:

1) Get as many buckets w/lids as you can
2) If used for this purpose, mark them as "shit buckets" ( don't want to use them for pickling or packing later, now, do we? )
3) If you have females, you'll need to use two buckets ( one for them to urinate in [ you can urinate outside ]). Yes, "only" poop in the poop bucket.
3a) When the poop bucket is near full ( should you really want to live the bucket life ), put a lid on it and store it away from the living area
3b) Pour the piss bucket out daily ( away from the living area )
4) If you're having to use this system more than two days, you need to re-evaluate your situation.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:03 AM   #3
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So Nails, you want to fill the poop bucket and then cap her off and get rid of the whole bucket? Why would that be? Just curious. My thinking was to use bags and replace the bags instead of getting rid of the whole bucket. I could understand the separate pee bucket, my wife would be using it too. And digger, some quick google-foo showed me lime would be for preventing bacteria growth, helping with smell, controlling flies and such correct? Would I just look for lime used for gardening?
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So Nails, you want to fill the poop bucket and then cap her off and get rid of the whole bucket? Why would that be? Just curious. My thinking was to use bags and replace the bags instead of getting rid of the whole bucket.
. . and what are you going to do with the occupied bags?

What happens when you run out of bags?

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I could understand the separate pee bucket, my wife would be using it too.
Urine is the majority factor in smell and pest attraction in this scenario.

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And digger, some quick google-foo showed me lime would be for preventing bacteria growth, helping with smell, controlling flies and such correct? Would I just look for lime used for gardening?
If you have a lid, you won't need lime or anything for fly or odor control.
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. . and what are you going to do with the occupied bags?

What happens when you run out of bags?

I'd poop in the bucket but until then I'd still have a bucket! And a roll of bags would only take up a little more room than a roll of toilet paper, and the bags could also be used as ponchos, weatherproofing or anything else, so they'd be useful to have regardless. The used bags could be escorted outside somewhere away from our living space

Urine is the majority factor in smell and pest attraction in this scenario.
I never thought of urine being the main source of smell and pests, I'm surprised. And to answer your question from before, if anything it'd be relatively short term use, like a few days to like a total max of 2 weeks. By then I'd hope to have a better solution figured out. I've looked at composting toilets and the like, but I live in a little 2 bedroom apartment, so I don't have the space or money to invest in a long term survival solution. For now, my kit is a ~week disaster/emergency kit. I'll have to look at lime, I like the idea.
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Kitty litter.
I've consider this as well.
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I never thought of urine being the main source of smell and pests, I'm surprised. And to answer your question from before, if anything it'd be relatively short term use, like a few days to like a total max of 2 weeks. By then I'd hope to have a better solution figured out. I've looked at composting toilets and the like, but I live in a little 2 bedroom apartment, so I don't have the space or money to invest in a long term survival solution. For now, my kit is a ~week disaster/emergency kit. I'll have to look at lime, I like the idea.
Everything you listed in your OP, and this post are for "long term" usage - not "emergencies".
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Everything you listed in your OP, and this post are for "long term" usage - not "emergencies".
Well in your response to my OP, you said yourself that this is a short term solution...
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How long are you planning this "emergency" to last?

Sounds like you're planning on settling in for the long haul with your bucket, when you should be thinking about getting a better sanitary system in place.

*omitted*

4) If you're having to use this system more than two days, you need to re-evaluate your situation.
... and I agree. I am trying to figure out what is needed to effectively poop in a bucket for a week or two max and not give myself a disease. I'd say a mass power outage leading to a loss of water service an emergency, or really anything that forces me to poop in a bucket an emergency for that matter haha.
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ugh. Dude, just dig a hole and build an outhouse. I know guys who have them ready to go for when it hits the fan.
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Urine can be an excellent fertilizer as also feces can be too . One may want to reconsider adding chemicals to something that can also be used for farming and fertilizing purposes.
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I live in a little 2 bedroom apartment, so I don't have the space or money to invest in a long term survival solution.
It warms my heart when folks don't read before replying . .


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ugh. Dude, just dig a hole and build an outhouse. I know guys who have them ready to go for when it hits the fan.
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Oh, hi, Mr. Apartment manager! My internet friends told me to take up farming, so I've gone ahead and ripped out the south parking lot ( it was cracked and buckled anyway ) and will start planting crops next week . . .
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Short term get some WAG Bags or similar. They gel everything up and can be disposed of as regular trash. Place WAG Bag in bucket do yours and possibly wife's duty and then dispose of it. We have used these when camping and I believe you can get a couple pee trips in them or a good sized crap before sealing them.

You can get mil-surp ones for around a dollar a bag IIRC when bought in bulk.
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Seal bucket and bury deep (treat it like nuclear waste).
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A freaking shitcan thread.

I can't believe it.
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Not "cheap" but we just put one of these in a DC3. Works like a charm.

https://www.envirotoilets.com/collec...ckaging-toilet
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A freaking shitcan thread.

I can't believe it.
You had one of those back in November...
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Recent backwoodsman had article on home built composting toilet. Media used was sawdust; absorbs wet and kills odor. Only know sawdust/wood shavings works good in barn. Seems like it would work in 5 gallon bucket. Wood shavings cheap at farm store, a bag/bale would last long time.
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Recent backwoodsman had article on home built composting toilet. Media used was sawdust; absorbs wet and kills odor. Only know sawdust/wood shavings works good in barn. Seems like it would work in 5 gallon bucket. Wood shavings cheap at farm store, a bag/bale would last long time.
The trick to that toilet system is that the sawdust / wood shavings have to be "fresh from the sawmill" ( not processed & pasteurized like the shavings sold at the farm stores )
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I use a bucket on my construction site. No bag. Just sawdust. Dries it out and no smell. Dump the bucket when it's full. The dry sawdust and clumps dump right out, don't even need to clean the bucket.
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A freaking shitcan thread.

I can't believe it.
But it's not from India...

If you must use a bucket,I'd use bag liners,with cat litter. Toss each time you crap.
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You guys aren't paying attention, I see.

I fear the OP doesn't have his priorities straight, going by the "emergency" he envisions.

To wit:

- OP lives in an apartment complex and expects to live through a two week outage of water & electricity

Water systems run on gravity or are powered by backup generators running the pumps in a "no electricity" situation. The only time I've ever seen a water outage is when the pipes are being worked on ( and that doesn't go on for weeks )

Electricity outage for two weeks? That's a sure sign of "Something Very Bad™" has happened. If a drunk plows the power pole providing juice to the apartment complex, the power company will be out within 24 hours ( usually within 1 hour, around here ) to fix it. If it's taking "weeks" to get power back up, the "emergency" will likely have affected the whole metropolitan area.


OP, I suggest you do some researching and figure out your priorities. In the "emergency" you are describing, you're likely to have far more pressing issues than where to poop.
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Really, no shit, an emergency toilet is a trench dug in the soil at least 4 feet deep with a wooden box with a hole in it for a seat.
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Time to read the "Humanure Handbook." Skip the first few chapters, as it was written by a lib. It can be downloaded for free as a pdf.
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After the first few chapters it is full of good info on composting and bucket toilets.
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OP, is the apartment complex you live in a highrise ? If so just open the window, hang your ass out and shit or if you have a balcony shit off that.
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I assume you don't have a place for an outhouse?
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You guys aren't paying attention, I see.

I fear the OP doesn't have his priorities straight, going by the "emergency" he envisions.

To wit:

- OP lives in an apartment complex and expects to live through a two week outage of water & electricity

Water systems run on gravity or are powered by backup generators running the pumps in a "no electricity" situation. The only time I've ever seen a water outage is when the pipes are being worked on ( and that doesn't go on for weeks )

Electricity outage for two weeks? That's a sure sign of "Something Very Bad" has happened. If a drunk plows the power pole providing juice to the apartment complex, the power company will be out within 24 hours ( usually within 1 hour, around here ) to fix it. If it's taking "weeks" to get power back up, the "emergency" will likely have affected the whole metropolitan area.


OP, I suggest you do some researching and figure out your priorities. In the "emergency" you are describing, you're likely to have far more pressing issues than where to poop.
The OP shows he lives in Germantown,Wisc.
Now I don't imagine there's a lot of skyscrapers or anything there,but who knows There are other scenarios where a person or a family might be forced to crap in a pail. Long term stay in a fallout shelter. Apartment in a high building,after a very large scale disaster,where utilities are really fubared. Blizzard snows a family in,water froze,ground too hard to dig. Families in the Alaska bush use this quite often if I'm not mistaken.
Point is: the guy is thinking,and is asking. Which is a lot more than a lot of other grass-eaters,utterly reliant upon pipes and wires,do.
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People are too reliant on power.

Period.

I remember seeing interviews about the hurricane that hit new yuck a few years ago.

Mayor was told to expect widespread power outages and transformers and substations down before the storm hit.

About an hour or two after the power went down, they told him the water and sewer was shut down.

Mayor gets all uppity and indignant and declares that no one told him that the water and sewer was expected to be affected too.

(*as if it didn't work on electricity or something, eh mr. mayor ?????????? Dumbass.)

Some lady on the street was crying to the governor that she and her mother couldn't possibly make it because they couldn't cook because her stove didn't work since the storm hit and the restaurants were all closed.

This was broadcasted on TV by the way. I'm not making it up.

This is why people would turn feral in a prolonged service/power disruption. People are stupid.

City people tend to be a lot more stupider.

Oh, and where I live nails, power outages for a couple of days are pretty common. Especially in the winter. I live in a heavily wooded area and trees tend to fall when we get a lot of wet snow. For most people here, that's an annoying inconvenience, not a life altering event.
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