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Old 09-21-2017, 07:41 AM   #36
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You can not have too many 12 gauge riot guns, my two newest

Beretta 1301 Tactical LE



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Old 09-21-2017, 08:17 AM   #37
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Getting a great 870 clone for a fraction of the price of the original is nothing to be ashamed of. I already had a 590 (since upgraded to 590A1 specs) and an IAC Trench gun when I bought mine but I couldn't pass up bargain like the Hawk. And no it was a net gain for American workers as I spent anther $100 on American parts and labor bringing it up to Police Magnum standards that I would not have spent otherwise.
Love that trench. I looked around a few days ago and none to be found. I'm thinking that if I get a Hawk it'll be the 981r instead of the 982. I kind of don't like the big ghost ring and front sight.

Oh man, that Mississip got me ^^^
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The 930's are jam o' matics. They seem to be hit or miss and I'd go with a Berreta 1301.
This was the issue when they just came out new. Now....no so much chief.

Oh and as far as the "Berreta" 1301, they definitely don't jam.

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Old 09-22-2017, 01:01 AM   #39
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It also blows my mind how many guys say, the 870 is awesome as long as its the Police model. I have and Express Tactical and a Police. There is not a nickels worth of difference between the two. Actually, my express is probably smoother and it came with the pic rail and ghost rings.
Take the Remingtons Armorers course and you will learn the difference.after machining the receiver the tightest tolerance receivers are made into Police 870s,,next are the Wingmasters,last but definitely least are the Express models.
The Police models have a longer magazine spring and most critical the ejectors are tool steel, not Mims like the Express models.
Am I saying Express are crap,no but there are differences and obviously these 2 last items could be added to an Express to help upgrade it.
For my money I tend to snap up older 70s model Wingmasters.
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I went the local gun show specifically looking for a riot gun. A guy had an Ithaca 37 but it was a longer barreled one that had been cut down, and he wanted too much for it, especially since the action would't lock forward...

Next day, just as all the vendors were starting to pack up, I came across another guy with an Ithaca 37DSPS... Willing to deal so I gave him $175 & an old H&R topper 12 gauge.

1964 DSPS M37 now has a 2nd barrel, a rifled slugger. I like these older models because the barrels interchange quickly. Only real problem with the model 37 is the tendency to crack the butt stock right behind the receiver. If these old cop guns could talk, what stories they might tell!
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Take the Remingtons Armorers course and you will learn the difference.after machining the receiver the tightest tolerance receivers are made into Police 870s,,next are the Wingmasters,last but definitely least are the Express models.
The Police models have a longer magazine spring and most critical the ejectors are tool steel, not Mims like the Express models.
Am I saying Express are crap,no but there are differences and obviously these 2 last items could be added to an Express to help upgrade it.
For my money I tend to snap up older 70s model Wingmasters.
There's a special place in my heart for the Wingmasters. I recently picked-up a late 70's Wingmaster at the LGS, and put my mil-surp take-off furniture on it (I really like the feel and look of some good old plain oiled walnut, and the hard rubber butt-plate). I'm going to attempt to recreate a USMC 870 Mk I.
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Wood stocks will give them a nice look

My 590 and one of my 500's in wood

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That 590 is beautiful in wood.
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Wood stocks will give them a nice look

My 590 and one of my 500's in wood

Love those! I'd have the wood on the 590A1 darker though. Where did you get the wood?
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Love those! I'd have the wood on the 590A1 darker though. Where did you get the wood?
The wood on the 500 on the bottom came from a Mossberg 500 combo that I bought new in the late 80's, the ex kept the M500, I kept the wood, I refinished it and put it on another 500, the one in the picture. The 590 is a parkerized bead sight gun that had a Mossberg speed feed stock on it when I got it. I picked up the fore arm and stock from Numrich, they will have them from time to time. The wood is very light and when I stained it when I first refinished it, I didn't want to go too dark, kind off keeping it about the same color as a refinished M14 birch stock.
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The wood on the 500 on the bottom came from a Mossberg 500 combo that I bought new in the late 80's, the ex kept the M500, I kept the wood, I refinished it and put it on another 500, the one in the picture. The 590 is a parkerized bead sight gun that had a Mossberg speed feed stock on it when I got it. I picked up the fore arm and stock from Numrich, they will have them from time to time. The wood is very light and when I stained it when I first refinished it, I didn't want to go too dark, kind off keeping it about the same color as a refinished M14 birch stock.
Ah, I had them backwards. At a glace I thought the bottom was the 590 due to the sights.
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Ah, I had them backwards. At a glace I thought the bottom was the 590 due to the sights.
A couple more Mossberg 500's

My 500 SPX



And my ex police marine coat M500

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I'm beginning to think there's nothing you DONT have
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I'm beginning to think there's nothing you DONT have
I have a few things and have had even more and there is a lot more that I don't have, yet.
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I've got one that's tricked out!
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Nice guns Glashaus. Like the wood furniture a lot. Been looking for some cheap wood myself for m590 and or my 870 clone Hawk 982.

The wood has a real practical benefit. Apparently jury consulting firms have found that wood stocked shotguns are viewed most favorably of all the long guns in self defense shooting trials based on acquittals, past sentences and their polling data. Revolvers w wood grips/stocks did best for handguns.

Seems minor til you see the prosecutor holding it up in court. Unfortunately, esp for us here on the Files, black furniture AKs fared worst.

I believe the outfit that did the research was based in Texas. If I recall correctly Mas Ayoob cites their study in one of his books.
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keep a Mossy 590A1 handy myself.
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Nice guns Glashaus. Like the wood furniture a lot. Been looking for some cheap wood myself for m590 and or my 870 clone Hawk 982.

The wood has a real practical benefit. Apparently jury consulting firms have found that wood stocked shotguns are viewed most favorably of all the long guns in self defense shooting trials based on acquittals, past sentences and their polling data. Revolvers w wood grips/stocks did best for handguns.

Seems minor til you see the prosecutor holding it up in court. Unfortunately, esp for us here on the Files, black furniture AKs fared worst.

I believe the outfit that did the research was based in Texas. If I recall correctly Mas Ayoob cites their study in one of his books.
I wouldn't consider it funny, but it is ironic ......................The guys breaking into your house bring any gun they want.......................So if I end up having to save my life by killing somebody who broke into my house, and I want to stay out of jail, reach for gun on the left.


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I wouldn't consider it funny, but it is ironic ......................The guys breaking into your house bring any gun they want.......................So if I end up having to save my life by killing somebody who broke into my house, and I want to stay out of jail, reach for gun on the left.

Man, that's a nice pair!
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Exactly All-Ten!
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I wouldn't consider it funny, but it is ironic ......................The guys breaking into your house bring any gun they want.......................So if I end up having to save my life by killing somebody who broke into my house, and I want to stay out of jail, reach for gun on the left.

MAN! That one on the left....

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"Details"............

Old/New stock WM 12 Ga. sent to Mike LaRocca who cut down the barrel and added the extension after bluing it to match the gun.

After I got the gun from back east, I'd decided on sights and had John Sabicer, whose local in Monterey Park, add a stronger spring and the rear Scattergun Technologies ghost ring, and a front Ruger sight with matching patridge so as not to have to mess w/the vent rib.

Sabicer also added a ball detent to keep the cap from coming loose from cycling the gun, since this was a LaRocca style gun w/o a clamp.

John Sabicer did the complete build from the ground up on the 870P.

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Well I pick up the 930 in about 5 hours!!!!!!

Then taking it home to disassemble it, clean/lube it, and throw on some aftermarket stuff!
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Why the dislike for the 870 Express?

It is not pretty like an older 870, but that is just cosmetic.
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Why the dislike for the 870 Express?

It is not pretty like an older 870, but that is just cosmetic.
I don't like any 870 due to the safety placement and the one (and only) I had would drop a shell out the bottom when you would rack it. Brand new too!

After that I went to Mossberg and never looked back. I'm sure I had a lemon that can happen with any company, it just put a bad first impression on me.
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Mossberg 500 is my "go to" gun for just about everything. Sadly, I just used it a few days ago to dispatch a sick barn cat. Zero pain. Dead instantly.

A 590A1 is a better choice but the 500 does such a good job, I really don't see the need for another upgrade.
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Always preferred a Winny 1200/1300 Defender to the Mossy 500. Mostly due to the Speed-Pump action.
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Why the dislike for the 870 Express?

It is not pretty like an older 870, but that is just cosmetic.
Not sure. Mine is the tactical model. 3 years and no rust, finish is great, and very smooth. Recently picked up a Marine Police model and cant tell any difference between the two. But, the tactical model is $450 and not the $300 express. Maybe they are junk, I don't know.
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Buuuuuuuut


I've wanted one








I've fought myself over it









I have a 590A1








But I can't fight it anymore. So for $466 shipped I got it!



https://www.mossberg.com/product/930...-8-shot-85322/


Right now I have my 590A1 ready to rack and go. This one I plan to replace it and the 590A1 will now be my backup.


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MAN! That one on the left....

Details?
Man, that's a good looking Remington!
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Got the Mossberg 930...


Mossberg I'm very disappointed in you. Smh
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I wouldn't consider it funny, but it is ironic ......................The guys breaking into your house bring any gun they want.......................So if I end up having to save my life by killing somebody who broke into my house, and I want to stay out of jail, reach for gun on the left.

Where did you get the vent rib barrel on the wood stocked 870 from?
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Where did you get the vent rib barrel on the wood stocked 870 from?
It was cut down....
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It was cut down....
I figured it was cut down, but who did the work? Looks like a Scatter Gun Technologies job.
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Mike LaRocca did most of the work. Saw a WM on his sight, and liked the work, and asked him to give me a similar build.

His site............. www.laroccagunworks.com

It's been over a year and a half, hopefully he's still at it.

He cut down the barrel. I was extremely lucky on the furniture, which was much nicer than my first WM I had as a kid.

I ordered this gun from back east as old/new stock, and I was sweating bricks until it was in my hands and I could see it was in great condition and not a rust bucket.

Then I had LaRocca do the build. As mentioned the barrel was cut down w/my odering one of LaRocca's custom extension tubes that he blued himself to match the rest of the gun.

I was a young kid and made the mistake of selling my first WM......

I won't make that mistake w/this one, it'll eventually go to my kids.

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