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Old 10-12-2017, 03:26 PM   #36
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I have some that have steel and some without, I think current polish issue are without.
Current green translucents do not have any steel reinforcement.

They are super tough though.
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Shit, can't tell if you guys are serious or just funnin.... haha.
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Might be better off getting a mag adapter from Canis if you're going for 5.56.
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Folks, we've been over the "steel reinforced" Beryl mags quite a few times.

Nobody's broken one yet in the field, that anyone's heard of.


One doesn't need steel when there's "plastic" out there that's stronger than steel.
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You do realize that's a 100+ page thread of you getting your ass handed to you right?
Seen any new rifles being chambered in it or new ammo offerings or any thing to indicate anybody really wants a 5.45 ?
Seems like such a awesome round would be chambered in something other than a rifle that's no longer being imported and someone would bother to make decent ammo for it.
Yeap it's awesome and every one is lined up to get into it.
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Seen any new rifles being chambered in it or new ammo offerings or any thing to indicate anybody really wants a 5.45 ?
Seems like such a awesome round would be chambered in something other than a rifle that's no longer being imported and someone would bother to make decent ammo for it.
Yeap it's awesome and every one is lined up to get into it.
Yep just as true as your fudd ass popping back up in these threads like the internet herpes you are.
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Every time you post fake news the real truth will come out.
Attack all you want the facts are still the same.
Slower
Not reload able
Not as accurate ,
more expensive,
less choices,
No guns being imported in that shoots it.
Those are the facts.
Every few months guys try to start the it's cheaper it performs better BS .
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Every time you post fake news the real truth will come out.
Attack all you want the facts are still the same.
Slower
Not reload able
Not as accurate ,
more expensive,
less choices,
No guns being imported in that shoots it.
Those are the facts.
Every few months guys try to start the it's cheaper it performs better BS .
Hate to break it to you buuuuud, but those are your opinions, and not facts. It would behoove you to learn the difference.
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Hate to break it to you buuuuud, but those are your opinions, and not facts. It would behoove you to learn the difference.
Actually not only are his words not facts but actual facts exist to refute them. He is on the brink of getting his ass handed to him again. Frankly I cannot understand why he is even on AK Files or even this subforum if he has such a disdain for 5.45.
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How many rounds of .223/5.56 have you picked up for under 18.5 cents per round? Probably less than the 5000+ 7N6 I've bought.

There goes the more expensive argument.
5.45s lack of market support is a failure of marketing more so than any failures or shortcomings of the caliber.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:41 PM   #46
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Refer to the topic. AK 74 VS AK101
It's not a let's prop up 5.45 thread. This is the area were 5.45 and 5.56 is discussed . Not the 5.45 soap box.

1. Other than dicking with berdan primers or making cases from 222 or simular it's not really relodable. This is coming from one of the first guys to actualy reload and make 5.45 cases.
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There is no very accurate 5.45 ammo avaliable . w" IS not very accurate. There are no factory 5.45 guns or ammo that will shoot a $300 Walmart savage or even a decent $400 AR . There sure not going to out shoot my 223 AKS . So show me a 1/2" 5.45 rifle ammo combo or call it fact.


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Steel 223 is very slightly cheaper than current 5.45 offerings .
That is a fact. It was 20 cents around a few days ago.

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Are we really going to argue that 223 and 5.56 has hundreds of more choices ?? Don't be stupid it's a fact.

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What 5.45 rifles are being imported in today ??
I may be wrong but I thought there were none currently .if there is what few choices do you have?? Slim and none.
Want a bolt action other other to share your ammo . Good luck.
Maybe one choice if you can find it and it's not very accurate.

Hand me my ass . Show me a more accurate cheaper shooting 5.45 and some what are to most re load able cases. .
I should have said not easy reload able previously. I have done it. Not practical .

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How many rounds of .223/5.56 have you picked up for under 18.5 cents per round? Probably less than the 5000+ 7N6 I've bought.

There goes the more expensive argument.
5.45s lack of market support is a failure of marketing more so than any failures or shortcomings of the caliber.
How many have I bought in the past or recently? ?
Lots in the past and it's ammo still commonly available not corrosive stuff you can't readily get at the price your claming.
A few months back steel 223 was 19 cents around. It's about 20 or 21 cents .

I have ammo stacked also . Unless your willing to sell it at that price it's not a valid argument .
7n6 Gets rarer in this country everyone you pull the trigger.

I have 7 cents a round 7.62 ammo unless you want to buy it for example.
Failure of marketing support or performance it's all Failure and if one is deciding what offers the most advantages between the 5.45 ak 74 and the ak 101 then you should be looking at what round is more successful in the most areas not the tumbling bullet at under 100 yards in a barrel of 14"or in combat on a full moon BS catagory.

One rifle can shoot a round that is more accurate in most rifles and likely in the 101. Has faster velocity in many ammo offerings, has 100's of mire ammo choices from around 40 grain to over 80 grain if the barrel twist supports it. Can fire ammo that is avaliable in the market place currently slightly cheaper . Shoots a round that can easily be reloaded and has easy to obtain componets.

Mags may or may not be cheaper for o e of the choices.
Most people don't have problems getting mags.

One may have its ammo source eliminated with import restrictions. One is the mist common ammo found in the USA and is sold anywere ammo is sold.

One shoots the most popular round in the USA and much if the rest of the world and one shoots the least used .

Both will deliver good exterior ballistics at defensive ranges.
One has ammo choices better suited to long range shooting snd better accuracy if the rifle can support it.

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And here we go with the text walls no one has the patience to read.
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In caliber consolidation, 556 AK makes a lot of sense. Building a 556 AK is where it's at, with a cheap 74 kit and AK builder barrel it's an economical build. After I build another I might get rid of my AR but I doubt anybody would buy it. Maybe if I would have gotten into 545 several yeaare ago but not now.
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Honestly, you're going to need to offer me better than AK Builder barrels if you want me interested in a 5.56 AK. Those barrels are "meh" at best. Nothing like the CHF 4150V barrels you can get for an AR or even as good as foreign made barrels. Honestly though many of the changes for the AK-74 do not even make sense. What does switching from 23mm trunnions to 22mm trunnions actually accomplish? and changing the lug on the front of the mag, and bolt stem diameter. None of this would have saved any weight and it seems like the Russians should have kept the same trunnion and carrier specs, just a new bolt, barrel, and mags.
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And here we go with the text walls no one has the patience to read.
Real simple 223 has
More choices of ammo.
More avaliable ammo,
More accurate ammo choices
More inexpensive ammo choices
More ability to easily reload
More performance and velocity.

More to talk about the more text you need.

This is not 5.45 were there is little to talk about.

Also having a AK 101101 allows you to share ammo with other popular rifles found in the USA and rest of the world.
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I dont care if 5.45 was $1.00/rnd, when I shoot my AK74 I want to experience it as it was designed
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Honestly, you're going to need to offer me better than AK Builder barrels if you want me interested in a 5.56 AK. Those barrels are "meh" at best. Nothing like the CHF 4150V barrels you can get for an AR or even as good as foreign made barrels.
Its a 223 it's likely the most avaliable barrel blank you can find as well as smith's who have reamers.

A builder not a assembler can figure it out pretty easy.
Also any savage simular take off and a bit of lathe work can yield a
Good 223 AK barrel that will out shoot any factory offering.

For assemblers
Any smith or machinest can make one. No differant than doing any other rifle barrel like done all the time.

A GM blank can be had for around $35 or so my last ones were $20 on sale .

Not exactly much for 5.45 barrel choices that are very accurate
Of course how would you know with no accurate ammo to shoot in them.

Guys want nitriding or chrome it all can be done.
With AK'S hitting $1000 these days a custom barrel is not a huge deal .

A $100 barrel on a expensive rifle dosent make much sense to me.

A savage Axis barrel some lath work can yield a pretty accurate AK. I like the 1-9 twist for these.

I think I have 5 bulgy trunions,bolts and carriers and recoil assemblys set aside for custom 223 builds .
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Honestly, you're going to need to offer me better than AK Builder barrels if you want me interested in a 5.56 AK. Those barrels are "meh" at best. Nothing like the CHF 4150V barrels you can get for an AR or even as good as foreign made barrels. Honestly though many of the changes for the AK-74 do not even make sense. What does switching from 23mm trunnions to 22mm trunnions actually accomplish? and changing the lug on the front of the mag, and bolt stem diameter. None of this would have saved any weight and it seems like the Russians should have kept the same trunnion and carrier specs, just a new bolt, barrel, and mags.
My understanding is the smaller bolt stem is for better reliabilty.
Not that it's a issue.
Bulgy 223 uses a large stem bolt just like the AKM .
The thinner stem allows more material in the carrier were it goes through the narrower mag opening .
The large stem carriers like the bulgy and Galil are a little thin there but don't seem to fail .
Might be a less bolt mass thing . Nothing I have read makes perfect sense as to why the redesign.

The moving the barrel forward on the small stem type trunion does help a few things IMO mainly in round feeding geometry with a smaller OD round.

decreasing the bore on the trunion allows a smaller OD blank .
with a smaller bore barrel rigity should be about the same.

Chinese 7.62 rifles are smaller yet at 19 mm they run just fine.
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Real simple 223 has
More choices of ammo.
More avaliable ammo,
More accurate ammo choices
More inexpensive ammo choices
More ability to easily reload
More performance and velocity.

More to talk about the more text you need.

This is not 5.45 were there is little to talk about.

Also having a AK 101101 allows you to share ammo with other popular rifles found in the USA and rest of the world.

It is the same stupid arguments as I would buy Ford and you will tell me that Chevy is better because of tires are widely available or whatever. I like Ford and you could drive Chevy I like AR15 with 5.56/.223 calibers and AK74 with Russian made 5.45 steel ammo. It is accurate enough for this non-sniper type of rifle, it is available and cheap.
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It would be the same argument if I had a chevy and you wanted to buy a rambler were the stuff you needed make it go was much much less avaliable more expendive and the car is slower only one size tire is avaliable and nobody makes it any more.

If a guy wants a 5.45 great buy one .
The question is why buy a 74 over 101.
The answer is there are very few reasons that offer any gains.
The best reason is you want one .
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It would be the same argument if I had a chevy and you wanted to buy a rambler were the stuff you needed make it go was much much less avaliable more expendive and the car is slower only one size tire is avaliable and nobody makes it any more.

If a guy wants a 5.45 great buy one .
The question is why buy a 74 over 101.
The answer is there are very few reasons that offer any gains.
The best reason is you want one .
I'll tackle that.

There are AK-74s available on the market.
There are NO AK-101s on the market at all. Not 1.
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1biggun, so far the only point you have made is that 5.56 has advantages over 5.45. You fail to address the point that 5.56 AK mags and parts are more expensive, less than standardized, and less common than 5.45 AK mags and parts.

5.45 is still not hard to come by and very affordable. It makes perfect fucking sense to buy 5.45 AK’s over 5.56 AK’s. You want a 5.56 go get you one, good on you. More 7n6 for me.
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BigG,

In regards to this thread. The AK74 is the answer because of so few AK101's.
Not sure if fixed stock Saiga .223's count.???

In regards to the .223/5.56 vs 5.45x39?

Yes, it makes more sense to go .223/5.56 in the US. For all the reasons you listed.

But it's not always about sense. More likely feel and or fun.
Hence 500-SW Mag and 410 shotguns. We are some lucky, lucky bastards just to have this many choices here in Amurika!

I held out for a LOOOONG time on 5.45. But once I shot it. I was hooked.
But that Apple is not everyone's Orange.

From your post's I get that you prize accuracy above all else. But you work very hard and strive towards this.

Most members are ~3MOA happy. The majority of ammo is less than desirable. And most shooters are less accurate than their firearms.
But.... we shoot. Then go home and post about it.

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It would be the same argument if I had a chevy and you wanted to buy a rambler were the stuff you needed make it go was much much less avaliable more expendive and the car is slower only one size tire is avaliable and nobody makes it any more.

If a guy wants a 5.45 great buy one .
The question is why buy a 74 over 101.
The answer is there are very few reasons that offer any gains.
The best reason is you want one .
I own 3 already and no plans to sell for AK with AR calibers rifles...
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I'll tackle that.

There are AK-74s available on the market.
There are NO AK-101s on the market at all. Not 1.
Well that's certainly a valid Point if you are stuck on a AK 101 only.
There are 223 AK variants avaliable but no argument there not a 101 that is the topic of the thread.

Are there AK 74's being imported in I thought the answer was no.
I'm sure a AK 101 can be found if you want it bad enough.

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BigG,

In regards to this thread. The AK74 is the answer because of so few AK101's.
Not sure if fixed stock Saiga .223's count.???

In regards to the .223/5.56 vs 5.45x39?

Yes, it makes more sense to go .223/5.56 in the US. For all the reasons you listed.

But it's not always about sense. More likely feel and or fun.
Hence 500-SW Mag and 410 shotguns. We are some lucky, lucky bastards just to have this many choices here in Amurika!

I held out for a LOOOONG time on 5.45. But once I shot it. I was hooked.
But that Apple is not everyone's Orange.

From your post's I get that you prize accuracy above all else. But you work very hard and strive towards this.

Most members are ~3MOA happy. The majority of ammo is less than desirable. And most shooters are less accurate than their firearms.
But.... we shoot. Then go home and post about it.

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I value a total package and what gives more .
Yes accuracy is important to me . One of the main features of a small bore like these is the long range ability.
That is only valuable if you can hold accuracy to be able to hit at long range. 223 does this better with the good ammo.

I have had both and own at least 5 223 AK variants from target to taticool and a pistol in the middle.

5.45 does nothing for me that I don't get in a 223 with better options.

Again I don't hate 5.45. If there was brass reloadable cases I'd be all over it . If I want to just blast crap I have stuff for that .

No argument a 5.45 is fine at 100 yards or more.
I like hitting small things.

I don't get hung up that a AR Is 5.56 so a AK should not be.
I'd love a real Weiger, Galil , of bulgy and a Vepr .
I Had a 223 Saiga worst AK variant I have ever had . Every thing was wrong on it.

I don't own a 223 mag that cost me over $15 if they were $30 each on a $800 rifle so what. I don't need more than 4 per gun even though I have more than that. All this whining about mags and I have easy enough ways to have mags.
Even the Taco mags run fine. Yea I know guys dream of going into battle and hanging from trees by there mags.

I'm going to get a few weiger mags to see what they fit of my 223 AKS . There cheap right now.

You guys can have the 7n6 I have no real use for it . If I had a 5.45 sure I'd want it stacked from when it was cheap.
Keep in mind 7.62x39 was cheap also once .
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Is there any thing wrong with the SLR 106??
Seems there avaliable.

I build my stuff so I don't know every detail of ever variant sold today.

I almost bought a 106 pistol once.
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Is there any thing wrong with the SLR 106??
Seems there avaliable.
Early ones had issues with the feed ramp being too small and would cause feeding issues. Many of them had their ramps widened by arsenal under warranty. Later ones were fixed out the box. They are gtg. I have two myself. Favorite AK by far.
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Early ones had issues with the feed ramp being too small and would cause feeding issues. Many of them had their ramps widened by arsenal under warranty. Later ones were fixed out the box. They are gtg. I have two myself. Favorite AK by far.
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The underlying problem withthe early 106s was the selector stop was the incorrect thickness. I don't remember if it was too thick or too thin, but it set the bag height incorrectly. This is what caused the feeding issues.

It's no surprise as the 106s are a hodge podge of stamped and milled parts, AK74 and AKM parts. While Arsenal does make 100 percent 5.56 native guns for their own military, they are all milled. The 106 exists only to sell to Americans.
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