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Old 04-04-2014, 11:16 PM   #71
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At this point, why even attempt to defend yourself? Just admit that your ad can very easily be construed as misleading, and make the necessary adjustments. It doesn't seem as though that you're going to win any arguments here. Good luck moving forward.
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Can i get a set of those sweet ass flip flops you sent to kids in africa?

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Seems they were described to the Africans as Nike Flip Flops but it turned out to be Sink Sponges with dental floss instead.. He told em "It was an improvement on the original flip flop design"
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This is a great example of libel. While many of the statements others, like TheGreek, made were false they were in all likelihood not made intentionally, but instead out of ignorance. When libel comes into play is when statements are made intentionally or negligently that can be proven to have harmed someone's reputation or business. Such as you posting a, "Ha, this will show you!" message followed by key words that are clearly intended to lead people to believe that malicious activity has been or is taking place.

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If I wanted to go and list any old AK-47 on Gunbroker, then put a nice and neat description about the STG-44 in there, would that be okay? I mean, they're both pretty similar in appearance, so it's cool, right? The STG is so awesome, though; first used/made/issued assault rifle, it's German, so it's pretty awesome from that merit, and this, and that, etc.. But this AK was manufactured in the 70s. In Russia. And it has a completely different action. But gee wow, that STG, so awesome!
While this analogy is slightly better than the Lamborghini vs. Honda Civic nonsense, it still doesn't compare. The Romanian PSL and the Russian SVD are extremely comparable rifles. Their capabilities are almost identical and they have a great deal in common. Overwhelmingly, people report comparable accuracy with only a slight edge going to the original SVD. Both are used in the same role militarily and the PSL was developed as an alternative to the SVD (take Berg's word for it if you won't take mine http://www.designatedmarksman.net/romanian_psl.html). It was not built as a completely different weapon system to be used in a completely different manner by people who had never set eyes on an SVD. There are pictures out there of active duty soldiers shooting the two systems side by side (one in particular shows what appears to be a sniper class outfitted mainly with SVD's but with one or two PSL's thrown into the mix). In use, and in S2 threat briefs, there is no distinguishing between the two rifles. Its a purely academic question, not a black and white difference.

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Or maybe if I was trying to convince a friend to enlist in the Air Force, but I go off about how awesome the Army is, and that they have tanks and helicopters, and so many combat and support jobs. Hey, the Air Force really only uses fixed wing aircraft. But there were a ton of awesome Soldiers, like Audie Murphy, blah blah blah. Then I hand him enlistment papers for the Air Force after telling him all this cool shit about the Army. Maybe it's just a bit misleading? Just a tad?
A much better analogy would be trying to convince your friend to join the local Sheriff's Department and telling him stories from your time in the local Police Department. Both positions are very comparable, both do pretty much the same thing, but they are not the same. Pay and funding may be different, hierarchy may be different, chain of command will be different, but in the end they both do the same thing and both can be called cops or even, *gasp*, police.


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You'll probably pass this off like every other rational counter that's been presented in this thread, but that's alright. Your beliefs are your beliefs; that's cool and totally understandable, and if somebody honestly wants to drop 2k on an inferior rifle without doing their research on them is probably better off without it, but we won't let you off easy
There have not been rational counters in this thread. Yours is by far the best put together, and it would be tough to scrape together two other coherent ideas presented from the entire lot of 70+ posts. They all fall into some variation of complaining about price or complaining about the blasphemy of calling a PSL the Romanian version of the Dragunov.

The majority of the adults who are members of this forum are like Chawkpilot and smart enough to not want to be associated with the phlegm that gets published in threads like these. My goal is not to convince the children, it's to set the facts straight. Had I not posted at all in this thread, its "experts" and contributors would still be carrying on about how I was lying about my rifle, calling it a factory built import when clearly it was a kit build. People are entitled to whatever beliefs they want, as long as they don't start presenting those beliefs falsely as facts.
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This is a great example of libel. .

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The Romanian PSL and the Russian SVD are extremely comparable rifles.
Bullshit, asspache. An SVT or SKS, for that matter, has more in common with an SVD that a Kalashnikov variant. Try again to bolster your "APACHE ARMS REVIEWS", asspache.
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This is a great example of libel. While many of the statements others, like TheGreek, made were false they were in all likelihood not made intentionally, but instead out of ignorance. When libel comes into play is when statements are made intentionally or negligently that can be proven to have harmed someone's reputation or business. Such as you posting a, "Ha, this will show you!" message followed by key words that are clearly intended to lead people to believe that illegal activity has been or is taking place.
The ignorant one in here is you pal. Now go the hell away and keep my name out your lying, deceiving, trolling, class of 2013 mouth.
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The ignorant one in here is you pal. Now go the hell away and keep my name out your lying, deceiving, trolling, class of 2013 mouth.
No, no. You spelled it wrong. It should be spelled, "I'm sorry, Apache. When I posted that the imported rifle that you were selling was 'a TGI kit build', I was mistaken. I did not know the difference between kit built and imported PSL's, but I do now. Please forgive me."

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"The Romanian PSL and the Russian SVD are extremely comparable rifles. Their capabilities are almost identical and they have a great deal in common."

Please....keep digging...your own grave...
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found another awesome deal on GB
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=406761296

shit, apache might need to raise his price!
1 mag and doesn't even come with a scope.......

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This is a great example of libel. While many of the statements others, like TheGreek, made were false they were in all likelihood not made intentionally, but instead out of ignorance. When libel comes into play is when statements are made intentionally or negligently that can be proven to have harmed someone's reputation or business. Such as you posting a, "Ha, this will show you!" message followed by key words that are clearly intended to lead people to believe that illegal activity has been or is taking place.
You sure like throwing the libel threat around. Have you ever actually sued anybody for it or do you just like to talk?
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The ignorant one in here is you pal. Now go the hell away and keep my name out your lying, deceiving, trolling, class of 2013 mouth.
I am not going to get into this conversation, because frankly I don't care and I got a great deal on my PSL. However, the class of 2013 thing is getting old. The year someone signed up for an online gun forum does not automatically show their intelligence or knowledge one way or the other, but believing someone is ignorant because of this said date of forum registration shows indeed how ignorant you are. You guys should stop with the class of 2013 shit. Call someone out because of their words and actions and not the date they registered, because it makes you look stupid.
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I am not going to get into this conversation, because frankly I don't care and I got a great deal on my PSL. However, the class of 2013 thing is getting old. The year someone signed up for an online gun forum does not automatically show their intelligence or knowledge one way or the other, but believing someone is ignorant because of this said date of forum registration shows indeed how ignorant you are. You guys should stop with the class of 2013 shit. Call someone out because of their words and actions and not the date they registered, because it makes you look stupid.
Enough out of you, noob.
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I am not going to get into this conversation, because frankly I don't care and I got a great deal on my PSL. However, the class of 2013 thing is getting old. The year someone signed up for an online gun forum does not automatically show their intelligence or knowledge one way or the other, but believing someone is ignorant because of this said date of forum registration shows indeed how ignorant you are. You guys should stop with the class of 2013 shit. Call someone out because of their words and actions and not the date they registered, because it makes you look stupid.
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I am not going to get into this conversation, because frankly I don't care and I got a great deal on my PSL. However, the class of 2013 thing is getting old. The year someone signed up for an online gun forum does not automatically show their intelligence or knowledge one way or the other, but believing someone is ignorant because of this said date of forum registration shows indeed how ignorant you are. You guys should stop with the class of 2013 shit. Call someone out because of their words and actions and not the date they registered, because it makes you look stupid.
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This thread in a nutshell.
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This is the Romanian version, which improved on the Russian design as far as reliability goes.
List the improvements the Romanians added to Dragunov's short stroke rifle. Building a Ak in 54r is not improving Dragunov's design, it is enlarging Kalashnikov's.

Yugoslavia had a version of the SKS with a grenade launcher, China's version had a spike bayonet. China also sold versions without a stripper clip guide on the bolt carrier.
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List the improvements the Romanians added to Dragunov's short stroke rifle. Building a Ak in 54r is not improving Dragunov's design, it is enlarging Kalashnikov's.

Yugoslavia had a version of the SKS with a grenade launcher, China's version had a spike bayonet. China also sold versions without a stripper clip guide on the bolt carrier.
It was inspired by the dragunov but it is in no way shape or form a dragunov. That word should not even appear on the description regardless of what the importers name it.
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BTW would it have been $3000 if it wasn't scratched?
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I'll say something libelous and say YES, because asspache is a gouging shithead.

Never mind, that's the truth so it's not libelous.
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Give him a week or two. When they don't sell, the price will go up accordingly.

I bet the next panic that comes around, we'll see them around 4 large (or more) from him.
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Apache Arms, "where the poor man's SVD is a rich man's PSL".
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If I were to design some flip flops that said "Asspache Arms" on them. Would y'all be interested in a pair? I figured I'd do them a "BullShit Brown".
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Think you could come up with a good logo to go along with it?
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If I were to design some flip flops that said "Asspache Arms" on them. Would y'all be interested in a pair? I figured I'd do them a "BullShit Brown".
I'm in as long as some of the proceeds get sent to Africa to shoe the starvin' Marvins.
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Think you could come up with a good logo to go along with it?
"The updated and improved version of the flipflop".
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