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Old 03-27-2014, 09:33 AM   #1
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Awww yea, Apache is so dedicated to bringing such great deals to the crowd on GB.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=404100409

Magically PSL's become dragunovs. And I know he knows it's decit as he's been called out on this countless times.

"This is a used, factory built Romanian Dragunov sniper rifle, complete with original military scope(not the imported version) and all of the accessories pictured. These rifles, also known as a Romak-3, SSG-97, and PSL, are extremely accurate and reliable. The Dragunov design has been in use since the mid 60's, and is still the official design of Russia and other Com-bloc countries. This is the Romanian version, which improved on the Russian design"

What a swell guy, he's offering these great used guns at a meagre 1300 dollar markup over the century guns he bought up last year....
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2k for a PSL, even calling it a dragunov... what an asshole.

You would be better off working at mcdonalds making honest money rather then screwing people like this.
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Thats asshat for you.
But be careful.. Last time folks talked about him he joined the forum and instantly donated $50.. Dont make him donate another $50!! It might just make him.... untouchable.
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Thats asshat for you.
But be careful.. Last time folks talked about him he joined the forum and instantly donated $50.. Dont make him donate another $50!! It might just make him.... untouchable.
Yeah he's got money for a KBI dragunov, he'll spend some quarters to buy himself a rep here.
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Too bad you can't flag stuff....
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What a fucking cocksucker. There has got to be a way to stop this.
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That's a TGI kit build PSL, its not even an imported one. The easy way to tell is that it says "romak 3" on the receiver instead of "FPK dragunov", and it also says "made in Romana" on it, not "made in Romania".
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Check my auctions up on Gunbroker. Nothing wrong with spreading a little education, is there? Feel free to borrow this image and make sure to include it in any auctions where you're selling something SVD or PSL related so people browsing those items will be informed. If enough of us do it, hopefully we can keep it up on Gunbroker alongside those PSL auctions for a good long time.


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That's a TGI kit build PSL, its not even an imported one. The easy way to tell is that it says "romak 3" on the receiver instead of "FPK dragunov", and it also says "made in Romana" on it, not "made in Romania".
The funny part is, last time we were talking about him he defended himself saying how he had imported one's and they were better.

What a tangled web he weaves.
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I think of you all as if you were my loud, foul-mouthed, semi-literate and hopelessly ignorant children. But no matter what insane, hateful babble pours forth from your lips, I still love you and will do my best to patiently impart knowledge to you in hopes that you grow up one day to become functioning, valued members of society.

Lenin. Where do I start. As I get older, fewer things amaze me, but one of them is the fact that you're still a member on this board after the enormous fraud you pulled off with Jerry. The fraud in which you were caught red-handed cheating people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm more amazed that after having pulled that fraud, you, of all people, would be accusing someone else of "decit" (I think the word you were looking for is deceit). Now, I'm aware that you said you were very sorry, that you had no idea what was going on until way too late, and you tried your very hardest to issue as many refunds as possible. But, personally, I don't buy it for a second. I believe you didn't realize the extent of the madness that was Black Horse Arsenal, but I would put down some serious bets saying you helped carry out the charade more than you'll admit. I find it very interesting that the quality of Jerry's photoshopped images of guns went sharply downhill immediately after you "resigned" as his IT specialist, and "general do-it-all man". Let's also not forget that it was your Gunbroker account that sold the non-existent rifles, with no mention that the rifles people were bidding on were simply "pre-order" and had not even begun to be made yet. Is that what you call "bringing such great deals to the crowd on GB"? And I'm the deceitful one? At least my Gunbroker auctions are for real things, that you can touch and feel. And ship. No, I think you helped scam a lot of people for a lot of money and only bailed after finding out you weren't going to get the pay you were promised. But we'll probably never know the truth as the brunt of the legal action has been and will be against Jerry, and not his "just following orders" partner in crime. If you aren't a man in a glass house throwing stones, I don't who is.

As for my auction description, you're a little late to the party. That description was originally published about 8 years ago, and has been changed very little since. It has caused some discussion among people with far too much time on their hands, but it has never resulted in a customer receiving a rifle that they later felt cheated for buying. There has never been a little old lady spending her life savings on a PSL, thinking it was a Russian rifle worth ten times as much, and then horrified later when she discovered the "truth". It has never happened. Our Gunbroker feedback would reflect it. It's clearly stated in the auction that the rifle is the Romanian version of the Dragunov, and not an original Russian rifle. For the most recent discussion about why the PSL is the Romanian Dragunov, see here: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...56#post2414056
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I've heard for years all the complaints and whining of people saying that a Romanian PSL is not, never will be, never has been a Dragunov of any kind. That it was designed as a completely different rifle, has more in common with an AK than an SVD, "looks nothing like a real SVD", and that it's blasphemy/fraud/lying to use it in the same sentence as PSL. That's absurd, and here's why:

The Romanian Pusca Semiautomatica Luneta IS the Romanian version of the Russian Dragunov (SVD). The Romanians took an SVD, sat around a table, and came up with a way to produce it domestically, at a lower cost and with pre-existing tooling (AK machinery). The result was the Romanian PSL. It's roots are directly in the Russian Dragunov and it is most certainly the Romanian version of that rifle. Yes, it uses a stamped receiver instead of milled. Yes, the action is that of a stretched out AK. Yes, the trigger is different. It was still a copy of the SVD, again re-designed to better fit the needs of the Romanian military.

Here's a list of things directly copied from the Russian Dragunov:

1. Scope: The TIP2 scope was copied directly from the Russian PSO-1. Early versions of the Romanian optic were also battery powered. The rail interface is identical.
2. Muzzle brake: Very similar muzzle brake designed to duplicate performance.
3. Magazine: Almost identical magazine, same size and capacity, can be modified to fit either rifle.
4. Buttstock: The famous "Dragunov" buttstock was not copied so closely by accident. The Russians had problems with cheek pads going missing or falling off, the Romanians ditched them and added a swell to the wood to solve the problem... or because it was cheaper.
5. Magazine pouch: This was copied exactly.
6. Scope cover: This was copied exactly.
7. Cleaning kit pouch: This was copied exactly.
8. Barrel length: Again, very closely duplicated with a similar length and diameter.

These facts all completely disprove the theory that the Romanians came up with their own rifle and it's just a coincidence that it came out looking "a little" like the Russian version. I've heard people claim that the PSL is no more a Russian Dragunov than a Yugoslavian M76 is. Again, not true, the Yugoslavian M76 is definitely a different rifle and was not the Yugoslavian's attempt to copy the Russian SVD. Similar, sure, but not the same list of likenesses as above.

So, disagree all you like, but to say that people calling the Romanian PSL the Romanian version of the Dragunov are all liars and are committing fraud is absurd and baseless.

To advertise a Romanian PSL and call it a "Russian SVD" would be fraud. To call it the Romanian version of the Dragunov, or a Romanian Dragunov, is completely accurate. There isn't anything else that one could confuse that with, assuming they did 3 minutes of Googling. No one goes and buys a rifle advertised as the Romanian version of the Dragunov, spends over a thousand dollars, and then is disappointed when they get it home and find out it's not a Russian Dragunov. Again, to call this fraud is baseless.

Because someone else doesn't agree with your opinion that it's disrespectful to call an "inferior" rifle by the same name as it's "better" cousin doesn't constitute fraud.

I don't know "TheGreek" that well, and I don't know whether or not he is good intentioned with his information. What I do know is that his information is completely wrong and he has just proven himself to be one of the many who think they are an expert in something they actually know little about. Put on your backpacks and grab your lunch boxes kids, we're about to go to school and learn some things this evening. Today's lesson is on imported PSLs.

There are several reasons why the particular rifle in question is not a kit build:

1. It is marked "INT ARMS INT". This means it was imported by Intrac, who has never given an indication of any kind that they did anything but import complete rifles. An amateur may mistake the "KNOX, TN" stamp for belonging to TN Guns, who was one of two (large) manufacturers that did build kit rifles (but never marked them "Romak-3"). The only other kit rifles were either custom built for individual customers by individual gunsmiths, or in small batches by little-known gunsmiths. The "Romania" is not misspelled; the "i" is present but blends in with the N and the A.

2. The trunnion date is 2002. Kit rifles were built from demilled military surplus guns, and all have dates in the 1970's through the early 1980's.

3. Kit rifles, again, were demilled military surplus. This means they have bayonet lugs, either intact or ground down but always with the bayonet lug band around the barrel. Surprise! The rifle pictured has no bayonet lug band, and was built new without one.

These discussions are always fun but I'm glad they're infrequent. Predictably, they often feature some of the same slow learners over and over again. I'd be glad to help those with serious questions or issues that go beyond the low bar here, but will not be carrying on a lengthy "discussion" with the children. Have a good one and keep your eyes off the puck.
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Come on were not talking about Lenin and his past. Just because you wrote a big essay on what you believe about him doesn't make it true or you sound smart. Do you know why everyone here is mad at you? You are buying these rifles and selling them for double the price, hoping that someone who doesn't know much will bite on one. Is this how you run your business? Buying low and selling way above the market?

Those factory PSL's were recently offered by Century for $800 for the whole deal and 4 mags, they are about $1000-$1200 on average now since the import stopped. What is a good reason why you have yours up for $2000?
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Lenin. Where do I start. As I get older, fewer things amaze me, but one of them is the fact that you're still a member on this board after the enormous fraud you pulled off with Jerry. The fraud in which you were caught red-handed cheating people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm more amazed that after having pulled that fraud, you, of all people, would be accusing someone else of "decit" (I think the word you were looking for is deceit). Now, I'm aware that you said you were very sorry, that you had no idea what was going on until way too late, and you tried your very hardest to issue as many refunds as possible. But, personally, I don't buy it for a second. I believe you didn't realize the extent of the madness that was Black Horse Arsenal, but I would put down some serious bets saying you helped carry out the charade more than you'll admit. I find it very interesting that the quality of Jerry's photoshopped images of guns went sharply downhill immediately after you "resigned" as his IT specialist, and "general do-it-all man". Let's also not forget that it was your Gunbroker account that sold the non-existent rifles, with no mention that the rifles people were bidding on were simply "pre-order" and had not even begun to be made yet. Is that what you call "bringing such great deals to the crowd on GB"? And I'm the deceitful one? At least my Gunbroker auctions are for real things, that you can touch and feel. And ship. No, I think you helped scam a lot of people for a lot of money and only bailed after finding out you weren't going to get the pay you were promised. But we'll probably never know the truth as the brunt of the legal action has been and will be against Jerry, and not his "just following orders" partner in crime. If you aren't a man in a glass house throwing stones, I don't who is.

As for my auction description, you're a little late to the party. That description was originally published about 8 years ago, and has been changed very little since. It has caused some discussion among people with far too much time on their hands, but it has never resulted in a customer receiving a rifle that they later felt cheated for buying. There has never been a little old lady spending her life savings on a PSL, thinking it was a Russian rifle worth ten times as much, and then horrified later when she discovered the "truth". It has never happened. Our Gunbroker feedback would reflect it. It's clearly stated in the auction that the rifle is the Romanian version of the Dragunov, and not an original Russian rifle. For the most recent discussion about why the PSL is the Romanian Dragunov, see here: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...56#post2414056
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I don't know "TheGreek" that well, and I don't know whether or not he is good intentioned with his information. What I do know is that his information is completely wrong and he has just proven himself to be one of the many who think they are an expert in something they actually know little about. Put on your backpacks and grab your lunch boxes kids, we're about to go to school and learn some things this evening. Today's lesson is on imported PSLs.

There are several reasons why the particular rifle in question is not a kit build:

1. It is marked "INT ARMS INT". This means it was imported by Intrac, who has never given an indication of any kind that they did anything but import complete rifles. An amateur may mistake the "KNOX, TN" stamp for belonging to TN Guns, who was one of two (large) manufacturers that did build kit rifles (but never marked them "Romak-3"). The only other kit rifles were either custom built for individual customers by individual gunsmiths, or in small batches by little-known gunsmiths. The "Romania" is not misspelled; the "i" is present but blends in with the N and the A.

2. The trunnion date is 2002. Kit rifles were built from demilled military surplus guns, and all have dates in the 1970's through the early 1980's.

3. Kit rifles, again, were demilled military surplus. This means they have bayonet lugs, either intact or ground down but always with the bayonet lug band around the barrel. Surprise! The rifle pictured has no bayonet lug band, and was built new without one.

These discussions are always fun but I'm glad they're infrequent. Predictably, they often feature some of the same slow learners over and over again. I'd be glad to help those with serious questions or issues that go beyond the low bar here, but will not be carrying on a lengthy "discussion" with the children. Have a good one and keep your eyes off the puck.
so that equals 2k? GTFO of here.

you also forgot, PSL - Long stroke, SVD - Short stroke
PSL and SVD are not the same rifle and shouldn't try to compare them like you are.

Also you call it in your ad "Romanian Dragunov sniper rifle" trying to imply they are connected.

"The rifle in the picture is the one you'll receive. It is one of the early imports, and the highest quality of all the PSL rifles. " I can already tell you by your photos that's a straight up lie, it looks like some kid with a dremel,and steel wool went to town on it.

It doesn't take much brains to see what your trying to do, and that's scam people out of a little extra money, which isn't illegal, just shitty. Especially since you don't even have the full amount of matching mags that actually came with it originally.

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Go fuck yourself, asshole. You're a lying piece of shit and your dumbass customers being unaware of it changes nothing abut that fact.
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I see the location changes (OK to LA, GN to AKF) but the bullshit's don't. Typical of AssHat Arms. The only thing he ain't peddling this time around is flip flops for the po' n stahvin' chirrens of Africa.

35%, I believe is what he said his profit margin was. Looks to me to be a skosh more than that. Back when they were $700-$800, he was selling them for $1400-$1600.
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I forgot to add, if you think the linked auction is bad, he's got another for $1999, and another 2 for $2399. Must be made of some special shit to get a price that high. I could understand if it came with a couple of crates of 7N1 or something; but just a rifle, scope, a cleaning kit, and ONE mag, ummmm yeahhh.

How 'bout....NO.

Fucking clown. Freebasing dog shit's what he's doing.
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A) Fuck you, I worked for a company that lied to its employees and customers. I suppose your better than that since you just lie to the customers. I got out as fast as possible once I found out what was going on on the literal other side of the country, after refunding as many people as I could before that ability was removed. On the photoshop note, he's been doing it since, and before I worked there so invalid point there killer.

B) Knowing your ad has been full of shit for 8 years, and doing nothing about it is pretty pathetic.
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C) When your Argument saying 2 guns are "the same" comes with half it's points coming from cloth covers it's pretty weak. It's an RPK based gun, plain and simple not an SVD based gun.
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the way i look at is if Apache wants to "scalp" his customers, let him, cuz at some point he will get his ass sued off for false advertisement, or end up like BHA.
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Come on were not talking about Lenin and his past. Just because you wrote a big essay on what you believe about him doesn't make it true or you sound smart. Do you know why everyone here is mad at you? You are buying these rifles and selling them for double the price, hoping that someone who doesn't know much will bite on one. Is this how you run your business? Buying low and selling way above the market?

Those factory PSL's were recently offered by Century for $800 for the whole deal and 4 mags, they are about $1000-$1200 on average now since the import stopped. What is a good reason why you have yours up for $2000?
I'm not even mad at him for doubling his money, this is America.
I dislike his "Salesmanship". First it was flip flops for African children, now its a "Romanian Dragunov that improved on the russian version". He then goes on to describe an actual dragunov "still in russian service" to further trick people into thinking they are getting a dragunov.

Anyone remember the guy that kept selling rguns krink kits that had barrels(he had cut down ak74 barrels) in them? He posted a description like "Original russian.chrome lined barrel"
See the period? See how sneaky that is? No.. People like that guy and good wallet scalper here are great at protecting their asses, they word things just like what I quoted so the person that quickly reads would miss a period.. In asshats case he talks about the russian dragunov. I'm sure his customers are happy, nobody from here would buy from him because people here are educated.

Said it before and I'll say it again. He'd sell his mother to the highest bidder.

But hey, why should he care. No doubt hes rolling in cash off this bs.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Rare..._qi=RTM1562570

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=404274184

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shit dont post that, hes just gonna buy it now off ebay, and throw it up on GB with his other one!
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I'm new here and I'd like to submit an alteration to a Garth quote from Wayne's World:

If Apache was a flavor of ice cream, he'd be Praline and Dick.

Hey Asspache, I have a Chinese Dragunov that I'll sell you for $7K! You could easily list it on GB for $14K.
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Yes, but does it use the same oil bottle?
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Wow, he is blatantly false advertising. I really hope someone hits him where it hurts.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:36 PM   #27
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It's a shame to see a good website like this be lowered by the riff raff. I know there are a lot of excellent members here. I have a lot of respect for guys like Berg. I've spoken with Frenchie before, and while we don't agree on everything he definitely has a good heart and a sincere enthusiasm for all things. Hopefully they are the representatives of the gun community that people meet before the fine gentlemen posting so far here.

There have been a lot of good points in this thread. Unfortunately, they were all made by me. My favorite so far is Lenin's. In trying to skim over my observation that Black Horse's photoshopped images went sharply down in quality after he left, all he can say is that they had photoshopped images before and after, so it's not important that the quality went down when he left, and everyone should look away. Yeah, ok. And of course you had nothing to say about the fact that you, and you only, posted auctions on Gunbroker for guns that had not been built yet. Jerry didn't hold a gun to your head (after all, he was on the other side of the country). You are the one who posted auctions for those rifles without mentioning that they had not been built yet. You were probably anticipating that they would be ready by the time people won and paid, but all the same you put those descriptions up with your account while daily updates here on AK Files showed you knew they weren't yet ready for sale. Again, of all the people in the world to say something about deceit on Gunbroker, the man who posted auctions for non-existent guns and likely photoshopped advertising images is the one doing it.

Really nothing substantial anywhere else. A lot of profanity; some people who don't understand economics posting that they don't like high prices. The solution to that in the adult world is that if you don't like the prices somebody has on their property that they are selling, you don't pay them. Maybe if you complain for another 8 years you'll make some progress?

I've posted why we describe the rifles the way we do, and why I believe everything I say. If you disagree, and have your own opinions, that is perfectly fine. When you try to force your opinions on others, and call anyone with an opinion other than yours a liar, you show what a minutely narrow mind you have. False advertising? I'm not a lawyer, but I took quite a few law classes while getting my Master's degree. I assure you, I would have a far stronger case for libel against certain members of this forum than anyone has for a false advertising suit. Of course you're welcome to try. Maybe you'll get rich.

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Old 04-01-2014, 10:33 PM   #28
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It's a shame to see a good website like this be lowered by the riff raff. I know there are a lot of excellent members here. I have a lot of respect for guys like Berg. I've spoken with Frenchie before, and while we don't agree on everything he definitely has a good heart and a sincere enthusiasm for all things. Hopefully they are the representatives of the gun community that people meet before the fine gentlemen posting so far here.

There have been a lot of good points in this thread. Unfortunately, they were all made by me. My favorite so far is Lenin's. In trying to skim over my observation that Black Horse's photoshopped images went sharply down in quality after he left, all he can say is that they had photoshopped images before and after, so it's not important that the quality went down when he left, and everyone should look away. Yeah, ok. And of course you had nothing to say about the fact that you, and you only, posted auctions on Gunbroker for guns that had not been built yet. Jerry didn't hold a gun to your head (after all, he was on the other side of the country). You are the one who posted auctions for those rifles without mentioning that they had not been built yet. You were probably anticipating that they would be ready by the time people won and paid, but all the same you put those descriptions up with your account while daily updates here on AK Files showed you knew they weren't yet ready for sale. Again, of all the people in the world to say something about deceit on Gunbroker, the man who posted auctions for non-existent guns and likely photoshopped advertising images is the one doing it.

Really nothing substantial anywhere else. A lot of profanity; some people who don't understand economics posting that they don't like high prices. The solution to that in the adult world is that if you don't like the prices somebody has on their property that they are selling, you don't pay them. Maybe if you complain for another 8 years you'll make some progress?

I've posted why we describe the rifles the way we do, and why I believe everything I say. If you disagree, and have your own opinions, that is perfectly fine. When you try to force your opinions on others, and call anyone with an opinion other than yours a liar, you show what a minutely narrow mind you have. False advertising? I'm not a lawyer, but I took quite a few law classes while getting my Master's degree. I assure you, I would have a far stronger case for libel against certain members of this forum than anyone has for a false advertising suit. Of course you're welcome to try. Maybe you'll get rich.

Party on, Garth.
Still you attack Lenin's past and change the subject away from your deceit.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." Proverbs 17:28
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Old 04-01-2014, 10:37 PM   #29
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LOL say what ever you want man, I hope you enjoy typing so much shit out everytime you post.

and just for the record your guns are over priced, and we here at the files will make sure none of our member waste their hard earned money on anything you try to sell.

and hopefully if we keep having threads talking about whatever you have on GB at the moment it will give the general public something to read when they do a search, and might save someone else some money too. If anything your just hurting yourself by continuously defending yourself when its clear to anyone that your price gouging.

Just suck it up that you got caught and lower it, jeez this isnt rocket science.

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"A communist sniper issued a Dragunov rifle in the Afghan war stated that he felt confident hitting people out to 800 yds with one shot, and vehicles up to 1000 yds."

I'm curious. What is the source for this statement?
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If you're looking for a svd dragunov on gunbroker the first thing to learn is don't look at anything below $7500 LOL. It's not even just this guy. There are tons of PSL auctions with dragunov in either the title or description. Hopefully if someone is looking to spend that much coin, they really look into what they are buying and research the item they are looking for.
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"A communist sniper issued a Dragunov rifle in the Afghan war stated that he felt confident hitting people out to 800 yds with one shot, and vehicles up to 1000 yds."

I'm curious. What is the source for this statement?
http://www.dragunov.net/interview.html
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I'd like to know what economics he's using down there in LA, I mean I know them Coon Asses have a system, but bending over a prospective buyer and having them squeal like a pig is not part of any economic system I've ever seen.
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:15 AM   #34
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If you're looking for a svd dragunov on gunbroker the first thing to learn is don't look at anything below $7500 LOL. It's not even just this guy. There are tons of PSL auctions with dragunov in either the title or description. Hopefully if someone is looking to spend that much coin, they really look into what they are buying and research the item they are looking for.
This...I dont normally chime in on these threads as I dont have a dog in the fight. With that there are tons and tons of mislabeled guns and disinformation on this site as well as Gunbroker. I have never done business with the guy so I have no beef with him. If you have done business and have felt ripped off then I guess you have a legitimate right to flame the guy, if not then I say take the high ground. I personally have all the SVDs I need but I also do a lot of research before I drop that kind of coin on something. I would love to have that spotting scope he has for my KBI SVD kit but i honestly think its a $200 scope and not a $600 scope. I choose not to buy it because of that reason. No need for me to flame him for asking what he thinks is a fair price. Take the high ground and educate. Just my .2 ...
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Would you read that and say that the sniper being interviewed was talking about the Russian SVD or the Romanian "Dragunov"?
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